Beltran positive EPO - Page 4

Ashley.S.Olsen · #46 07-12.-2008

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Originally Posted by Crankyfeet

And the fact that he's 37 brings up a point. The 2 year ban penalty means less to someone who is about to retire.

i find it sad that beltran was tempted in the last part of his career. tempted after a stellar career most notably at uspostal. the cleaner younger generation of cycle riders are far better prepared than in years previous and this would have made beltran think of options outside the rules. we should celebrate his career and accept he made one small mistake. lets not let this be a blight on his wonderful wonderful career in particular his lieutenancy in helping the big american win three of his nine tours de frances. i think also if the proper organernisers of cycle riders the uci were managing the event then they would have done the right thing and overlooked this small mistake. thats important because beltran might not get a job as a security guard at a video store in a the backblocks of madrid because of this small error. his career post cycle riding might be impacted. he could have made a good security guard and received rent free videos like batman returns and steel magnolias.

beltran may now find solace in bruyneaals new book we might as well win.

NJK · #47 07-12.-2008

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Originally Posted by Ashley.S.Olsen

i find it sad that beltran was tempted in the last part of his career. tempted after a stellar career most notably at uspostal. the cleaner younger generation of cycle riders are far better prepared than in years previous and this would have made beltran think of options outside the rules. we should celebrate his career and accept he made one small mistake. lets not let this be a blight on his wonderful wonderful career in particular his lieutenancy in helping the big american win three of his nine tours de frances. i think also if the proper organernisers of cycle riders the uci were managing the event then they would have done the right thing and overlooked this small mistake. thats important because beltran might not get a job as a security guard at a video store in a the backblocks of madrid because of this small error. his career post cycle riding might be impacted. he could have made a good security guard and received rent free videos like batman returns and steel magnolias.

beltran may now find solace in bruyneaals new book we might as well win.

The title of Bruyneels book somes it up for me 'we might as well win'. Basically saying that if we are going to dope we might as well be the biggest and the best dopers who aren't touchable.

I doubt Beltran woke up and thought i wonder that EPO is at the age of 37 erm i must try that.

I would love someone to go after Armstrong he deserves it with all his threats against clean cyclists.

Powerful Pete · #48 07-12.-2008

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Originally Posted by Ashley.S.Olsen

...in particular his lieutenancy in helping the big american win three of his nine tours de frances....

Wasn't it twelve tours?

**limerickman** · #49 07-12.-2008

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Originally Posted by tcklyde

I'm the last person to argue that other sports are clean. Is it a cleaner peloton after years of disaster? Was it a cleaner peloton in 1999?

Long time no hear......great to have you back.

And a very good question........is the sport cleaner?

**limerickman** · #50 07-12.-2008

The French authorities, once again, lead the way.
The French authorities should be commended for their uncovering of another incidence of doping.

Anticyclone · #51 07-12.-2008

For me, the main test of whether it is cleaner or not will be the time that it takes to climb Alpe d'Huez. Of course this is just one climb and some tours will be harder than others, the stage's position in the race will change (ie, if it is the first mountain stage then the riders should be fresher), and how hard the rest of the stage will all have an impact. However, it is one that people focus on so hopefully it can act as a usful marker.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpe_d'Huez

The last time it was climbed was in 2006 when Frank Schleck won. This was the first time since reliable* timing started in 1994 that the winner took more than 40 minutes to climb it. However, he did win from a breakaway and the fastest ascents were below 40 minutes (Messrs Landis and Kloden

). However, this stage was a day after the rest day and the breakaway consisted of about 15 people over the top of the previous climb so the pace cant have been that hot. The times apparently dropped a lot after 1990 which coincides nicely with when EPO is widely said to have come into use. The LeMond time seems quite slow and i have seen Fignon credited with 41'50 in 1989. Sports science has advanced meaning that people should be going faster. However, i still think that the ascent this year should be telling. There is a hard stage the day before and it is near the end of the tour so the time should be relatively slow. Will anyone break 40 minutes? It would appear to be a promising sign if no-one did.
*It surprises me how much disagreement there is over times - i would have thought that it would be relatively easy to do by looking at old videos, noting when they start and then looking at their finishing times?

Ava Marie · #52 07-12.-2008

On days like this we need to remember to belive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DxtxQQLkJ0

poulidor · #53 07-12.-2008

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Originally Posted by Anticyclone

The LeMond time seems quite slow and i have seen Fignon credited with 41'50 in 1989.

Fignon probably used the magic potion that day. I don't remember the exact composition of the magic potion (aspirin, ephedrine,...) , some friends tell me that a 10-15% boost in power was produced. But the secondary effect are terrible.
That kind of potion was commonly used in racehorse, making animals to dribble and riders to slaver (or the reverse

)!

Anticyclone · #54 07-12.-2008

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Originally Posted by poulidor

Fignon probably used the magic potion that day. I don't remember the exact composition of the magic potion (aspirin, ephedrine,...) , some friends tell me that a 10-15% boost in power was produced. But the secondary effect are terrible.
That kind of potion was commonly used in racehorse, making animals to dribble and riders to slaver (or the reverse

)!

Yes, i am not saying that all times pre-1990 were 'clean.'

Actually this page gives some more times

http://www.answers.com/topic/alpe-d-huez

Guerini's win in 1999 does not appear though

Ashley.S.Olsen · #55 07-12.-2008

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Originally Posted by Powerful Pete

Wasn't it twelve tours?

the french law makers passed law last year for tough pently on positives. now it carrys a 5 year jail term. beltran is going to jail. so he may not work in the video store but have his bum ****ed by a large hairy french drug pusher. maybe the big american from texas could post bail for him or bruynail give him some of his book advance for legal representation.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/s...ping-test.html

Eldrack · #56 07-12.-2008

I'm suprised that anyone would test positive for EPO during the Tour de France, I would have thought it more likely that transfusions would be used to keep the red blood cell count high though I guess all you need for EPO is a syringe rather than a whole load of transfusion equipment. If Beltran was microdosing like he should have been then this must mean he put in a little too much EPO so that it hadn't decayed by the time he was tested, or that he just wasn't expecting to be tested.

All in all that is a massive **** up on his part or of course there is an alternative theory. The French anti-doping labs might be using a different EPO test? We pretty much know that the one the UCI is using doesn't work as it hasn't really caught anyone. Conspiracy theories abound.

As for how long he's been doping, well, he's 37 now which means he's been a pro for the period in professional cycling where drugs have had the biggest impact on performance. Given his relatively strong performances in certain races, as both a GC rider for the Vuelta (two top 10 placings) and as a domestique for Armstrong I'd suggest he's probably been juicing it for quite a while.

thoughtforfood · #57 07-12.-2008

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Originally Posted by Ava Marie

On days like this we need to remember to belive...no, to know that he is a fraud.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DxtxQQLkJ0

There fixed that for you

nns1400 · #58 07-12.-2008

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Originally Posted by Ashley.S.Olsen

i find it sad that beltran was tempted in the last part of his career. tempted after a stellar career most notably at uspostal. the cleaner younger generation of cycle riders are far better prepared than in years previous and this would have made beltran think of options outside the rules. we should celebrate his career and accept he made one small mistake. lets not let this be a blight on his wonderful wonderful career in particular his lieutenancy in helping the big american win three of his nine tours de frances. i think also if the proper organernisers of cycle riders the uci were managing the event then they would have done the right thing and overlooked this small mistake. thats important because beltran might not get a job as a security guard at a video store in a the backblocks of madrid because of this small error. his career post cycle riding might be impacted. he could have made a good security guard and received rent free videos like batman returns and steel magnolias.

beltran may now find solace in bruyneaals new book we might as well win.

LMAO...

ÇelikOk · #59 07-12.-2008

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Originally Posted by Anticyclone

For me, the main test of whether it is cleaner or not will be the time that it takes to climb Alpe d'Huez. Of course this is just one climb and some tours will be harder than others, the stage's position in the race will change (ie, if it is the first mountain stage then the riders should be fresher), and how hard the rest of the stage will all have an impact. However, it is one that people focus on so hopefully it can act as a usful marker.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpe_d'Huez

The last time it was climbed was in 2006 when Frank Schleck won. This was the first time since reliable* timing started in 1994 that the winner took more than 40 minutes to climb it. However, he did win from a breakaway and the fastest ascents were below 40 minutes (Messrs Landis and Kloden

). However, this stage was a day after the rest day and the breakaway consisted of about 15 people over the top of the previous climb so the pace cant have been that hot. The times apparently dropped a lot after 1990 which coincides nicely with when EPO is widely said to have come into use. The LeMond time seems quite slow and i have seen Fignon credited with 41'50 in 1989. Sports science has advanced meaning that people should be going faster. However, i still think that the ascent this year should be telling. There is a hard stage the day before and it is near the end of the tour so the time should be relatively slow. Will anyone break 40 minutes? It would appear to be a promising sign if no-one did.
*It surprises me how much disagreement there is over times - i would have thought that it would be relatively easy to do by looking at old videos, noting when they start and then looking at their finishing times?

I agree with most what you said. I think is impossible to clean up, unless you follow every athlete 100% of the time and know where they are what they are doing all the while taking regular samples and keeping records of their results. But if somehow it was magically cleaned up then I expect to see the pace at all stages to drop and it should be obvious that the pace has dropped. I am sure the pundits will be able to spot that even by the way they are riding.

blackmamba · #60 07-12.-2008

It was mentioned in L'equipe that Ricco might be one of the riders with abnormal result as he was controlled pratically every day since the begining of the Tour (hopefully it is just because his natural high hematocrite)

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