Who is on the list of BANNED, GUILTY FIRED etc. cyclists due to doping - Page 2

hard proof... like six b samples that contained EPO aren't proof enough... what a joke!!!

sure he isn't officially guilty but c'mon... you don't see that he got off on a technicality? and a completely idiotic one at that.. you need both an a and b sample to get a positive.. but he actually had SIX POSITIVE B's.. so it's all good?? the naivety of some is pretty pathetic! please get a clue!

Lance Armstrong was definitely busted with 6 positive sample containing EPO.. only in the eyes of the ignorant, naive or those who really want him to be clean is he innocent.

Tammy Thomas

yes... yes that's a female i.e. 1st name is Tammy.. she might actually do jail time like Marion Jones for lying to congress...

You seem to be in the know and since I have spent much of my time deployed, perhaps you could enlighten me and all of us less informed with where the positive "A" samples or test results are. So like you said, "I haven't a clue".

I heard it put this way once: If females were the "A" samples, males were the "B" samples and Noah could only round up the "B"s... The issues with "B"s die like the Armstrong "B" situation did.

__________________
"Being 40 just means that I have twice the appreciation for life that I did at 20." - CJ Smith

Thanks for the photo... I was gonna eat dinner this evening, but now I think I will skip it...

__________________
"Being 40 just means that I have twice the appreciation for life that I did at 20." - CJ Smith

it's a long sworded tail..

the samples that contained EPO were from 1999... when a urine sample is taken from an athlete it's separated into an A vile and a B vile so it can go through the testing procedure twice so positives can be confirmed. the A samples were tested at that time.. a time when there was no test for EPO, so of course they came back negative... the B samples were never used since the A's were negative... but were kept frozen for research.

In 2005 the UCI ordered a retrospective research, anonymous test of the B samples left over from the 1999 tour in order to see how well their current tests were working.. 1999 would be at a time when no one was actually trying to hide their use since EPO was undetectable at the time... so they could also see what percentage of the peleton would use a product if it was undetectable.. there would be lots of use for the project...

when a urine sample is given the same code is attached to the paper work and the sample so that the sample, the paper work and the athlete can be linked up later. Unfortunately/fortunately WADA used this same code for its samples they tested in 2005... but they didn't have the paper work to link it to athletes, so the test was still anonymous.

long story short a scheming LeMond reporter who saw and had a copy of the results of 1999 B samples and saw the codes along the side managed to get Armstrong and the head of the UCI's permission to show him and even to photocopy Armstrong's paper work from 1999... under the false pretence that he wanted to write a story to prove that Armstrong didn't have any special permission to use EPO because of his cancer (a common misperception that some even now believe). anyway, with the forms from the 1999 tour that had the codes and the tests of the B samples from 1999, tested in 2005 which also had the same codes it was possible to see which samples were Armstrong's... turns out 6 of the sample from the 1999 tour that contained EPO over the limit were Armstrong's.

these results can never be used to ban or secure a positive result for Armstrong because 1) they are B samples and by the letter... you need an A and a B sample positive to get a positive test. 2) the WADA procedures were not followed to the letter since this was meant to be a research project and never meant to convict anyone.. but of course this is a world renowned lab... they did follow standard lab procedures

but you need to ask yourself if just two sample.. an A and a B can be used to corroborate each other and is enough to convict someone of drug use... what do you make of 6 samples, many on consecutive days of the tour that contain EPO? sure he can never be deemed positive officially because of the technicalities but C'MON... it's a technicality, the guy is guilty as hell... that's obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together.

scary eh???

Yeah she/he is and I still haven't eaten yet... and I rode a century today+ (Not a big deal really because I have ridden 33 centuries this year... and I have only ridden 33 times. I am on EPO ... Eggrolls, Pizza and Oranges ...

__________________
"Being 40 just means that I have twice the appreciation for life that I did at 20." - CJ Smith

The person you are trying to remember could be either Raimondas Rumsas, or it could have been Dario Frigo. But im almost sure it was Rumsas, because if i recall right he was out of the country and his wife had to sit in jail for 3 months i believe. I could be wrong though.

Big Mahalo for that one... Both those guys will be added to the list. Nice job!

__________________
"Being 40 just means that I have twice the appreciation for life that I did at 20." - CJ Smith

Holy ****! Its James May from Top Gear!

Dream On

long sordid tale

vial

I am not making fun of you dude, just assuming English is not your first language. I am learning another language myself and I know how much a pain in the a$$ it can be.

Thanks for the info on the B samples.

Sense of humor dude.....Doc Spoc has no problems with the english language, I'm sure he was just exercising some poetic license.

I thought it was kinda clever when he posted that line.

-Dave
[edit]PS I see you're just learning the language, after getting the basics you'll find there's an endless amount of slang, colloquialisms, and then just plain basterdizations that don't show up in the text books. Docs play on words is one way we tend to mess with the king's english. Good luck and figure out all those implicit plurals which tend to drive non english speakers crazy.

I do believe that it's currently the Queen's English...

... just sayin'

I'm sorry but I've never seen your name or picture in any big race results, like you try to compare to Pro cyclists... and oh, yes, everyone doped but me
< ____ > (in the 90's with EPO)