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Again please find a post where I said "LA did not duck events"? You are spinning Lim, plain and simple SPIN. Him bottling out of the Olympics is your opinion until you can find proof of it. So please end your silly little argument by proving your opinion. A website or quote from LA would suffice.

LMFAO

My mistake.
He was at Sydney 2000.



Incorrect : the rEPO test was introduced at Athens 2004 Olympics, and not in Sydney Olympics 2000.

An rEPO test had been formulated and was supposed to be introduced for the Games in Sydney in 2000.
However, the test was not approved by the IOC and could not be used at Sydney 2000 Olympic Games.

In 2004, WADA and the IOC, informed the UCI, that rEPO t estingwould be mandatory and would be used at Athens 2004 Olympics.
Several sporting federations including the UCI resisted signing up to the WADA/IOC charter authorising the use of WADA-approve tests and testing procedures.
Only on pain of exclusion from Athens 2004, did the UCI sign up to the WADA/IOC charter.

Armstrong, having raced in 1992, 1996 and 2000 Olympics, bottled out of Athens Olympics 2004.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it" - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

Lim he missed Hamilton Worlds, circa 03 when Astarloa won.

Could not ride and not win. Would hurt his "unbeatable" narrative.

Only N American Worlds of last decade.

Sometimes you need to stop thinking WADA and UCI and remember that other agencies such as the IOC implement tests faster than the aforementioned behemoths.

First serve:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/oly...24/epo_sydney/

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-4558392.html

Second serve:

http://www.wada-ama.org/en/dynamic.c...ategory.id=527

When was a test to detect EPO implemented?

• A test for EPO was introduced at the 2000 Summer Olympic Games in Sydney (Australia). The test, validated by the International Olympic Committee (IOC), was based on the blood and urine matrix. A blood screening was performed first, and a urine test was then used to confirm possible use of EPO.
• In June 2003, WADA’s Executive Committee accepted the results of an independent report stating that urine tests alone can be used to detect the presence of recombinant EPO. This report, requested by WADA’s stakeholders and commissioned by the Agency to evaluate the validity of urinary and blood tests for detecting the presence of recombinant EPO, concluded that urinary testing is the only scientifically validated method for direct detection of recombinant EPO. This report also recommended that urine testing be used in conjunction with blood screening for a variety of reasons, including the cost savings of performing blood screening prior to testing urine. Some international sports federations still use both urine and blood matrix for the detection of EPO. Recently, the urine test was adapted to blood to perform detection of some new erythropoiesis stimulating agents.

http://www.cbc.ca/olympics/story/200...ina000905.html

China cuts seven athletes for positive EPO tests

Last Updated: Tuesday, September 5, 2000 | 9:32 PM ET

CBC Sports


One major hurdle facing Beijing in its quest to play host to the 2008 Summer Olympics is China's history of athletic drug scandals, most notably in swimming. On Tuesday, China took a step towards improving that reputation by cutting seven rowers with positive drug tests from the team it will be sending to the Sydney Olympics.

The rowers tested positive for the banned performance-enhancing drug EPO, or erthyropoietin.

China notified International Olympic Committee medical director Patrick Schamasch of the withdrawls in a letter. Schamasch said the rowers' tests showed EPO levels above the allowable limit.

"I'm very pleased," International Olympic Committee president Juan Antonio Samaranch said Wednesday of the doping withdrawals. "We are trusting the Chinese. They are fighting against doping. This is an example for many other countries. This is good news for the image of sport."

70.

Return of serve 1.

Antonio Pettigrew, US 4x400 relay team member, at Sydney 2000, admitted in federal court that he "used EPO before, during and after, Sydney 2000".
Mr Pettigrew returned his Sydney 2000 Gold medal - and the US team were disqualified and their result was revoked.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/sp.../03medals.html
http://www.isteroids.com/blog/tag/antonio-pettigrew/



Return of serve 2.

WADA itself states that many cases of EPO detection went undetected following the introduction of testing in 2000.

http://www.wada-ama.org/en/dynamic.c...ategory.id=527


Q How has the EPO detection method evolved since its introduction in 2000?

A The conservative approach used in the initial phase of implementation of the method allowed a large number of EPO abusers to escape detection.

Consistent with the advancing science in anti-doping, work is done on an ongoing basis on all detection methods to refine their sensitivity and the interpretation of results.
In the case of EPO, based on expert consensus, new interpretation criteria are introduced as science advances for a more discriminant reading of EPO results.

70.
If the tests were in place at Sydney 2000, as you allege, why was Pettigrew's EPO usage not detected by IOC?

And if the the tests were in place, how come WADA itself states that many cases of EPO usage went undetected?

And if the tests were in place, at Sydney 2000, why then did the IOC have to amend it's charter to incorporate the WADA Code for mandatory testing in 2003?

http://www.wada-ama.org/en/dynamic.c...ategory.id=822

What happens if a sports organization or a government does not comply with the Code?

WADA reports cases of non-compliance to its stakeholders who have jurisdiction to impose sanctions, including the International Olympic Committee (IOC). The Olympic charter was amended in 2003 to state that adoption of the Code by the Olympic movement is mandatory. Only sports that adopt and implement the Code can be included and remain in the program of the Olympic Games. If a country does not ratify the International Convention against Doping in Sport, it may be subject to sanctions from the IOC and from other sports organizations, including losing the right to host Olympic Games.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it" - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

Tests were introduced and tests happened. The IOC said it, WADA said it...

Does it come as a surprise to you that someone from the country were EPO has been floating around from the early 80's during tests, the same country that became synonimous with blood manipulation 16 years earlier, could beat an EPO test? I'm guessing it shouldn't as many on here seem to intimate in many of the posts that Lance and his own little army of workers do similar things seeming at will.

As you correctly pointed out, the tests introduced in 2000 weren't always the most reliable, but that doesn't get you out of the spin control, something I believe you were chastising someone else about in another thread recently, in regards to Lance bottling out of the Sydney Olympics.

Testing in olympic is controlled by IOC. In cycling testing is under UCI watch.
And some riders are very tied with UCI...

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6 +2 (according Ashenden) samples with EPO should have banned Lance Armstrong to start next TDF !

First statement clearly implies second statement. If you cant understand it your are an idiot. Therefore: Either you are an idiot or you are trying to spin your words in order to get out of the hole you dug for yourself...
Piece of advice... If you find yourself in a hole... Stop digging...

And the tests failed at Sydney 2000.
See Pettigrew and see WADA's statement confirming that the early tests did not detect the widespread use of EPO in 2000.



It doesn't come as a surprise - because the organisation (WADA) who attempted to introduce the test have stated on their website that the implementation of the method allowed many EPO abusers to go undetected!



I stated earlier that I made a mistake in saying Sydney 2000.
I should have said Athens 2004.
I've no difficulty admitting that I referenced the wrong Olympiad.

Armstrong bottled out of Athens 2004 - after having ridden 1992, 1996 and 2000 Olympiads.
He bottled out because a definitive test for rEPO had been developed which is what I said yesterday.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it" - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

All I understand is that you need to quit licking Lim's nuts.

Pettigrew admitted to using EPO. Why? Maybe because his coach, Trevor Graham was implicated in the BALCO scandal which makes Operation Puerto look like small change when you look at the $ figures invested by the Federal Government. The Feds may/may not have something on Pettigrew... It's really funny how people who are asked to testify in this case mysteriously just open up about their past. Odd really...

Your limited intelligence and sexual frustration would not permit you to understand anything else. You are out of your depth here.

Researcher: Sophisticated know how to beat EPO test


By Rupert Guinness, The Daily Telegraph,
Posted Sep. 1, 2005
Cyclists can still race the Tour de France on the illegal drug EPO without testing positive, a top Australian doping scientist has revealed.

Dr. Mike Ashenden, project manager of the international consortium Science and Industry Against Blood Doping, told The Saturday Daily Telegraph that an unreleased study shows how riders can still get away with EPO use four years after testing was introduced for the endurance-boosting protein hormone. "There have been persistent rumours over the past years that athletes have learned to manipulate their EPO injections to escape the urine test," Ashenden said.

"We (SIAB) have now replicated this in our own research and we know how it can be done. Our research shows that if an athlete had an expert doctor helping them, it would be possible to use EPO throughout the Tour de France without being found positive.

"If the athlete followed the program given by their doctor, the urine samples would be declared negative according to strict criteria used by anti-doping authorities."

Ashenden is known for the development of the homologous blood-doping test, first applied at the 2004 Athens Olympic Games.

http://tour-de-france.velonews.com/article/8795

Just incase any one still had a few vials of EPO laying around in the fridge...

They could pump me with tonnes of EPO - I still wouldn't be able to race a Tour de France!!

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it" - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.