Who do you think is doping in the '09 tour? - Page 2

Armstrongs performance in this Tour just reinforces the fact he has never doped. The fact that he'd come back after 4 years off and hand 98% of the peloton their asses on a plate should put this subject to bed. If he had doped all through his career, then surely he would be doping now, he'd have to be to be so far up, yet why would he come back and risk being busted when he could have just batted away the questions of his 7 tour victories as 'never tested positive', with no chance of any recourse.

If Wiggins is doped, then he has been doped for a long time. He has a excellent background and now that his focus has been 100% the tour since the Olympics, it's not too suprising to see him there. Wasn't really expecting it, but not surprised either.

Like I said if he is doped, then he has been doped for a while. It's nothing new. Though I'll put my faith in him and say he is clean.

almost everyone. the only contenders i dont think dope are Sastre and evans. thats why they dont play a part this year. armstrong and contador are obviously on supremely good doping programmes

One word: Ego. (Not to be confused with Epo)

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Wake up and smell the EPO

spot on. his ego is enormous. he is, as greg lemond said, "simply not a very nice man"

If all these people are doping, then you can only come to one conclusion. The organizers of the Tour and the UCI are turning a blind eye or worst are in on it.

All the "doping controls" during the Tour and no positives from top GC men. What a farce!

Forget about whose doping and who is not. They are all doped.

Armstrong made a comeback when he was sure that the current doping product was two steps ahead of the test.

The UCI and the ASO don't care about a clean sport, they don't want the embarrassment of positives. That's why the testing always lags behind the dope. By the time the test catch up, only the second rate scmucks get caught, which satisfies the organizers.

Cycling is a business and a competition and the bottom line is that great performances create victories and money.

brilliant comment. thats the nail on the head. too many business interests. i read a stat, 20 times more money going into doping than anti-doping. 174 riders, no positives, complete joke. uci president is an irish man like myself, pat mcquid. hes one of the most disliked hated men in our country. he used to be over our olympic atheletes( 2 olympics, no medals). now somehow he's head of uci! nobody here can believe it! hes the man who welcomed back astana

Plenty of speculation in this discussion, few facts. No one in this blog has a clue as to who could be doping and to what extent. Those who give the best performance are the most heavily scrutinzed. As for the rest, if they're doping, it's not enough to make the difference.

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Originally Posted by Flyer:
It is a matter of reading comprehension that you challenged by.

No we don't have hard facts, because they cant be caught. what do bjarne riis, michael rasmussen, ivan basso, marion jones, michelle smith, david miller (i could go on and on....) have in common? Answer: None have ever failed a doping test
Now, what do Lance Armstrong, Alberto Contador etc have in common? (rhetorical)

Ok, but it is illogical to claim that anyone who's not failed a doping test is doping. That's like claiming that everyone is guilty of murder, but we only know about those who've been caught one way or another. And fortunately, things have come a long way in the past few years where testing is concerned.

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Originally Posted by Flyer:
It is a matter of reading comprehension that you challenged by.

no im not saying that, im saying that if you pass a control, it does not mean you're clean. see above examples. marion jones never came close to failing. and i dont really believe we have come a long way. in fact, with genetic doping on the way, things can only get worse. this years lack of positives proves this. used carefully, CERA is virtually indetecable. i want to see pain on the riders' faces. like last yeay, a superb tour. Its totally unnaturable for Contador to coast up mountains, totally unrealistic and beyond human ability. basically, the CERA's doing more work than the man

The problem with that logic is you're completely omitting the possibility that fewer riders are doping. Furthermore, the results from all these samples will not be known until after the tour. Surely you've noticed that Di Luca's result from the Giro was just now confirmed. It takes a lot of time to complete testing of all those samples.

As for how Contador rode today, I don't see anything about it that concludes beyond reasonable doubt that it is impossible. He didn't appear to be 'coasting' to me.

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Originally Posted by Flyer:
It is a matter of reading comprehension that you challenged by.

He was coasting alright. he could have finished 10 mins ahead no problem. no astana riders will fail, as no rider ever to ride with LA in the tour has ever failed. they have of course failed previously, or subsequently. but never with LA. he's a great man to straighten out his fellow riders eh.
yes its a possibility that fewwer riders are doping. a small one though. yes i did notice Di Luca's late result. I also noticed Riccardo Rocci and Alexander Vinokourov were immediately expelled. contador's been testing clean, there wont be many, if any, positive tests this year. dopings 2 or 3 steps ahead

A new idea. Only allow riders to take part if they test positive. This way they stop trying to hide - the ones doping now come forward first. Give it 3 weeks. You can then be sure you have a level playing field. Sure it means they're all cheating but if they're all doing it it doesn't matter. The sport gets faster. You get the rather fantastic publicity of a few deaths. The riders promptly declare that the whole things a scandal and in protest they're going to stop doping and hey presto. Problem solved.

The alternative would be to change your mid after say 3 weeks (it might take the non dopers that long to start) and you simply ban those who tested positive or confessed early on.

hhahahahaha genius

lol. not a bad idea. least contador could be beaten then