Is Armstrong paying people to spread his lies on forums?

[Eldron]

Originally Posted by Grater

Everyone cheats in this sport. You can't do this sport without drugs. You can, if you were on a level playing field. 90 - 99% of the peloton dope!

I'm huge Columbia - as people know, but I am not stupid. I know what goes on in amongst that team like every other team. Most ride juiced up, some don't. It's near impossible working out who is clean or dirty.

Milram are a team for example that could be predominantly clean. Ever since Gerds and Ciolek left Columbia, they havn't produced results like they were at Columbia. That's some sort of indication.

I think you will find, most, if not all the top 10 in this years Tour de France were juiced!

You then draw the parallels. The Giro for example. Di Luca came second and he was on Cera. Menchov beat him and ever since Vienna was shut down, Menchov and his crew havn't produced results since that time. Yes, some riders were implicated there, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out what's really going on.

From that conclusion, most, if not all the Top 10 in the Giro were juiced up!

It's hard saying who is clean because most are doing something!

That pretty much sums up my attitude - pick your favourite - ignore the drugs.

I find it comical when someone says "so and so is juiced up to his eyeballs but my guy (who finished 5 seconds behind so and so) is clean - what a rider/natural talent/man of morals".

I call bullsh!t every time...

[Felt_Rider]

Originally Posted by Eldron

That pretty much sums up my attitude - pick your favourite - ignore the drugs.

I find it comical when someone says "so and so is juiced up to his eyeballs but my guy (who finished 5 seconds behind so and so) is clean - what a rider/natural talent/man of morals".

I call bullsh!t every time...

As a former user for 10 years I understand more than most and you are one of the few who show some wisdom. I used to laugh to myself about those who raked Marion Jones over the coals and I am not saying she didn't deserve it but so did the girl in 2nd, 3rd, 4th and so on when you consider those who finished behind her would be just milliseconds in difference.

IMO - if one is going to condemn one why not condemn them all?

[Grater]

Originally Posted by Felt_Rider

As a former user for 10 years I understand more than most and you are one of the few who show some wisdom. I used to laugh to myself about those who raked Marion Jones over the coals and I am not saying she didn't deserve it but so did the girl in 2nd, 3rd, 4th and so on when you consider those who finished behind her would be just milliseconds in difference.

IMO - if one is going to condemn one why not condemn them all?

Exactly!

[Mansmind]

Couldn't agree more. A doping discussion regarding ANY specific rider is irrelevant in terms of the competition itself. They all do it so why single out a rider? regardless of who it is.

Not that I like the idea of them all doping, and I think doping discussion has a place in more general terms.

[Geoff Vadar]

Originally Posted by Felt_Rider

As a former user for 10 years I understand more than most and you are one of the few who show some wisdom. I used to laugh to myself about those who raked Marion Jones over the coals and I am not saying she didn't deserve it but so did the girl in 2nd, 3rd, 4th and so on when you consider those who finished behind her would be just milliseconds in difference.

IMO - if one is going to condemn one why not condemn them all?

One incident at a time. One man at a time. One evil at a time.
Plan well, execute, follow through.
Deliberate, methodical, unwavering.
Make the punishment count.

Dont misinterpret 'targeted focus' for 'bias'. The broader perspective isnt missed. Resources are what they are.

To clean out cycling now is to invoke international criminal investigative agencies. Huge pain in the poohole to coordinate. You, and any other professional cyclist is simply fortunate higher priorities exist when it comes matters of social cohesion and various other liberties we afford ourselves in the civilised world. Otherwise your sh1t would get fcuked up quick smart.

[Eldron]

Doping in cycling is like having an Australian cousin - sure he's your cousin but you never mention him to anybody*

*please note this is written by a South African - rugby and cricket have disallowed any form of relationship between our nations**

**yes - this post was written in jest.

[Geoff Vadar]

Originally Posted by Eldron

Doping in cycling is like having an Australian cousin - sure he's your cousin but you never mention him to anybody*

*please note this is written by a South African - rugby and cricket have disallowed any form of relationship between our nations**

**yes - this post was written in jest.

Relax. We can take a gag. Aussies and Saffers have been spitting at each other over the fence for donkey's years.

[jimmypop]

Originally Posted by Eldron

Jimmypop thinks nobody is clean. Nodoby fanboy!

Admission: I like the tragic figures whose lives were ruined - by their own accord, mind you - through doping. The Pantanis and VdBs of the world are the vehicles for the greatest stories.

[lwedge]

Originally Posted by Farmguy

And I have also heard that Lance was on the grassy knoll when Pres Kennedy was shot.................


OMG, maybe he is even in charge of Area 51?

Lance is the six fingered man.



-lw

[alienator]

Originally Posted by lwedge

Lance is the six fingered man.

-lw

My wife only married me because I had convinced her I was the six fingered man.

[limerickman]

Originally Posted by Eldron

Doping in cycling is like having an Australian cousin - sure he's your cousin but you never mention him to anybody*

*please note this is written by a South African - rugby and cricket have disallowed any form of relationship between our nations**

**yes - this post was written in jest.

We say the same about saffers

[limerickman]

Originally Posted by lwedge

Lance is the six fingered man.



-lw

Finger in, err, every pie.

[ullrichrules]

Originally Posted by Mansmind

Couldn't agree more. A doping discussion regarding ANY specific rider is irrelevant in terms of the competition itself. They all do it so why single out a rider? regardless of who it is.

Not that I like the idea of them all doping, and I think doping discussion has a place in more general terms.

And the best way to control the 'body' of liars is to cut off the Prime 'head' (liar). Especially when he is an arrogant, self-effacing, rude, representative of Cancer patients everywhere and continues to hide under that cloak to serve his own ego and financial gains.

Take off the head and change the future, even if it means going back in time, discrediting him and getting his former sponsers to sue him for the millions they gave him.

UR

[Mansmind]

Originally Posted by ullrichrules

And the best way to control the 'body' of liars is to cut off the Prime 'head' (liar). Especially when he is an arrogant, self-effacing, rude, representative of Cancer patients everywhere and continues to hide under that cloak to serve his own ego and financial gains.

Take off the head and change the future, even if it means going back in time, discrediting him and getting his former sponsers to sue him for the millions they gave him.

UR

Yes, I agree, but at the same time you have to consider that the "head" is the prime target (and perhaps should be). As a result however, it's a logical assumption that the "head" is looked at closer than anyone...so why no confirmed/official sanctions? I understand there is an alternate theory of why that may be so (power, money, bribes, etc.)

[roadhouse]

if any of this is true than it just goes to show just how tactical he is. smart man.