Lance disses AC! - Page 2

Because Kloden is was and will be a domestique on the team subordinant to lance. But beyond that Kloden couldn't hang and Lance needed to limit the loss.

It will be interesting seeing what young riders the team will attract. Clearly if you are a young talented climber that can time trial and are willing to be Lance's domestique for 1 year, Team Radio Shack with Johan would be the perfect job. Lance and Johan get way more respect in the active peloton than outside it.

Lance day after day answered question from the press, sometime until they ran out of questions while Albert made brief little comments or in some cases said nothing at all. For a leader and favorite he wasn't very generous with the press. After stages 7 and 17 Lance was asked about Alberto's tactics. He said nothing more than that they weren't part of the teams plans and that he didn't understand them. He was merely being frank. Frankly, I don't understand them either, and many many others don't as well. Not many jumped to his defense after sprinting past 3 teammates that were controlling the front of the race for him creating counter attacks galore,to get a measly 20 seconds. Same for 17. No credible defenders of the tactic. Astana was in perfect control of the entire race. All he had to do was collect the trophy in Paris.
If it had been other way around on those stages, the haters would still be running around, jumping up and down with their hair on fire.

Except Lance

if we allow that bruyneel wasn't talking out of both sides of his mouth and contador was in fact the gc candidate, then aren't your teammates supposed to control at the front? counter the attacks? leave their hearts and souls out on the course for the gc's betterment?

armstrong began the stage with a minute fourteen on nibali. if lance were all about team and the podium sweep, why not sacrifice a bit of time and drag klodi home? because lance was not all about the team and the podium sweep. because klodi was blown. contador knew it, klodi knew it, and all of astana knew it. but all the lance boys question and condemn contador's attack on the schlecks (quite a radical move to send those two a message on his part) as though he were the one taking food out of klodi's mouth. this incident still strikes me as lance/johan conveniently stabbing contador in the back. was armstrong ever questioned for dropping his domestiques on tough mountain stages when he was near the race lead or in yellow?

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exactly!

No, because LA only attacked when race tactics dictated he needed to. A perfect example of this is in the 2004 Tour de France Stage 17. You know the one where it was LA, Landis, Kloden, and Ullrich together up to the last 2km. Landis attacked, Kloden attacked and closed the gap, and LA the took the stage after Landis could not respond.
In that stage, the 4 were together and LA had a +5 minute lead on Kloden on GC , and +8 minute lead on Ullrich on GC and was clearly the better climber and time trialer as was AC. LA didnt attack because there was no need to. He could have easily attacked the group and distanced himself from Kloden and Ullrich but race tactics said he didnt need to. Just like JB told AC "you dont need to attack today to win the Tour de France."
In fact, Armstrong tried to give the stage to his teammate, but Landis was overtaken by Kloden.

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Holy Moly. Is this the real jackhammer? The guy from Ohio who PMs people and says he wants to fight them, giving them his address in Ohio. When he really gets mad, he vows to track posters down and rape their wives. That Jack? The nutter?

Which one of you cards is masquerading as Jack? Fess up.

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

What a complete load. Armstrong's "answering" the press took this form: After a stage, while other riders were being interviewed, Armstrong's spokesperson would come to the press, yell, "Lance Armstrong," and would play a soundbite from Armstrong on a laptop. The press would fight to get near enough to hear the recording. Later on Armstrong would send out a thought or two via Twitter. He refused to do anything but those poweder puff interviews with Andreu. I would not call that generous.

Contador on the other hand was The Man. He let his legs do the talking. Even on a course my granny could have ridden, he was still able to take advantage of the moderate amounts of climbing available to prove he was the strongest man in the race.

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

Get Granny off the dope!!!

Thats a classic stage finish

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So basically you are saying that lance hasnt changed. Me me me... So much for being a team player this year.

so, let me see if i understand this point. it is o.k. for lance to drop his teammate (landis) when his teammate is knackered, but contador should not do this to his teammate (kloden) even though contador is riding a difficult stage where his closest competitor and that competitor's brother are riding beside contador and klodi is knackered? one more question from a simpleton. if lance couldn't get past andy for second on this stage, how was kloden going to slot into third? strikes me as you lance fans wanting to have it both ways, as usual.

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"Kick over the statues and the tyrants die. Wave bye bye to their heroes with a hammer."
--The Redskins, Kick Over the Statues

Dude, LA dropped Landis 300m from the finish, not 17km. After he offered Landis the stage win, after Landis was pulled back by Ullrich, after Kloden counter attacked for the stage win, after it was obvious Landis didnt have the legs to get the stage win. I tried to spell it out for you. I even linked you to the vid. How can you not see the difference?

Did AC offer Kloden the stage win? Did AC wait till the last 300m to go for the stage win? No, he sold out Kloden at 17km and then sold the stage to the Schlecks. And you call yourself a simpleton? Nice try.

now you have contador selling out kloden. are you lance's mom?

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"Kick over the statues and the tyrants die. Wave bye bye to their heroes with a hammer."
--The Redskins, Kick Over the Statues

sort of like how armstrong dropped kloden when nibali went forward that same stage? seems lance was interested in his own position on gc at that moment and not kloden's fortunes.

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"Kick over the statues and the tyrants die. Wave bye bye to their heroes with a hammer."
--The Redskins, Kick Over the Statues

LOL, Red Herring!!!!!!