Lance disses AC! - Page 3

Yep he sold him out. then regretted his mistake.

about the only mistake contador made this tour was letting bruyneel place armstrong on the roster. you should take the time and read that nyvelocity translation (or the original in spanish, if you like) to see your boy lancey doing his backstage backstabbing. at least contador isn't afraid of taking the yellow jersey.

by the bye, at least we know that we've reached the end of armstrong's season since he has never bothered to race a full season like the great champions.

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Lance Armstrong is scared of the yellow jersy? How do you work that one out?

No he is appearing in other tours for the remainer of the year.

Contador made more than one mistake. He should have feigned bad form on at least one stage so suspicion wouldn't be aroused.

considering a champion like anquetil vowed to wear the yellow jersey from start to finish and backed it up, not just when it suited his needs (it's too early to defend the yellow jersey, says the hog. kay, you bet, says lance). considering how hinault and lemond fought hammers and tongs over it while on the same team. how fignon and lemond traded it back and forth (and lemond's team wasn't nearly as strong as fignon's) for three weeks, armstrong's fear of wearing it at the front pales before those champions. and that's not even bringing merckx or coppi or bartali or bobet in on the conversation. yes, lancey has seven tour victories, but the manner in which he took them doesn't put him above the greats. lance feared the responsibility of being out in front with the yellow.

as for the other tours, one might point out how he is reaping the appearance fee/charity windfall.

how do you know he didn't have bad form when the break opened up before him in the first week?

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"Kick over the statues and the tyrants die. Wave bye bye to their heroes with a hammer."
--The Redskins, Kick Over the Statues

Those other champions weren't as dominant as Armstrong and therefore could not play tactics. But this year Armstrong went hell for leather to get the yellow jersy. If Contador wanted it so badly then he should have gone round him in the time trial. Seems he didn't have the bottle.

The history of the sport, suggests otherwise.



Contador did not look to be in trouble at any stage during the 2009 Tour de France.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it" - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

Typical Red Herring. Lost his argument and has to change the subject and start taking rips at Armstrong.

So Armstrong is an Ahole. So what. Personally I find it funny cause it gets people like you to get their panties in a wad. I think everyone came to that conclusion about 8-10 years ago. In case you didnt realize it, you are not breaking news.

No it does not.

Then you agree he must have bottled it, going from the other fellas logic on Armstrong.

The history of the sport does suggest that other champions were a lot more dominant.
To try to suggest that they were more dominant, is incorrect.



If Contador "bottled it" this year - by your definition, your man bottled it from 1999-2005.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it" - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

I wasn't. That was your point. I think it's quite clear that nobody in the history of this event has been as dominant as Armstrong - seven in a row speaks for itself. That's why slovacguy is wrong to claim Armstrong was scared of getting the yellow jersy - he wasn't. He was simply dominant enough to play games during those years. In the 2009 tour he wasn't dominant, and you saw him desperately try to get the yellow jersy in the first week in the same vein has the Lemond and other riders. If he claims Armstrong was scared, then so must Contador have been this year.

It's not my logic of course. I'm sure you are not silly enough to respond to someone's post without reading the post they were responding to. It says you have been using this forum for many years so I'm sure you have not made that school boy error. Have you? Do keep up.

lmfao....:d

well, i'm sure the jury i've hired would place the laurels on my head, but that's as may be. the premise is that you and the others who support lance castigate contador for running kloden off the podium. your camp, friend, has not been able to respond to the central premise of what responsibility does contador bear in pulling teammates to the position or how was kloden to get there when lance couldn't displace or keep up with andy schleck? a cooked domestique is a cooked domestique. the team sweep/team play issue is the red herring. about the only thing lance and johan didn't accuse contador of doing was pushing leipheimer down leading to his dns. and given that i've been having fun watching you and yours defend lance and his legend for many months, i am fully aware of his personality quirks.

by the bye, admitting that "everyone came to that conclusion (lance is an asshole) about 8-10 years ago" undercuts the premise of lance's popularity in and out of the peloton you and yours keep promoting.

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"Kick over the statues and the tyrants die. Wave bye bye to their heroes with a hammer."
--The Redskins, Kick Over the Statues

But there was no reason for Contador to bomb off. He was well ahead in the GC. He just had to follow the Schlecks. And when they did come back together he appeared to be giving the Schlecks a pep talk to go as fast as possible to increase his own gap over his team mates. That was unfortunate.

I don't think the team held it against him massively in any event. It was resolved in the hotel.

As for LA's attitude, I think many people respect his cycling brain and his single mindedness. You could really see Armstrong running a team, it's hard to see the ever grinning Contador doing that.

again, i debate the premise put forward by bluetrain and others. there was no astana team for contador. read the nyvelocity article and focus on how isolated contador was. the ds, armstrong and his cronies, and the riders caught in the middle who couldn't/wouldn't pick sides constitute "team" astana. what has gained my respect concerning contador is that he didn't use the press to take jabs at armstrong until it was all over. brute fact, contador tore armstrong's legs off when it mattered: arcalis, verbier, and the annecy time trial.

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"Kick over the statues and the tyrants die. Wave bye bye to their heroes with a hammer."
--The Redskins, Kick Over the Statues

No, the team was working for both riders for the first two weaks - every picture showed Contador and Armstrong tucked in at the back, allowing the team to do the work for them. And when Contador proved that he was the onform man, Armstrong graciously admitted that Contador was the best and that he would work for him, and said the team was the most important thing. Armstrong stuck to his word and led out Contador whereever he could and gave him the benefit of his far superior tactical brain. Armstrong even praised Contador's suspiciously high power outputs, saying that he had never achieved this even at his best, and stayed quiet about Conti's rather incredible - in the true sense of the word - time trailing performance. What more could Contador ask for?

It was imature of Contador to expect the team to be working for him from day one. The team had no idea he was doped out of eyeballs and would be such a wide margin between him and the rest. It was the introduction of the blood passports that made Armstrong believe he could come back and still have a chance of winning in a fair right - he was as shocked as the rest of us to discover Contador was still able to beat the system.

Contador not only caused trouble by insisting on being the main man before he had shown it on the road, but once he did, he treated his team mates like dirt by doing everything he could to help the Schlecks beat Armstrong. It's no wonder the team was sick of the sight of him by the end of the Tour.