Armstrong Tour Blood Values Suspicious? - Page 2

Hey maybe can you explain to us how a clean Armstrong won 7 Tours over dopers like Ullrich, Basso, Vino, Hamilton, Landis, Heras, etc etc? Or how he managed to keep up for the most part with a juiced Contador at 38 after taking 3 years off?

It ain't a witchhunt if it's true.

oooh! i can answer that! oooh! i know!

getting up half an hour before he went to bed so he could ride twenty eight hours in one day.
good eating as dictated by kate moss & chris carmichael.
sleeping in an oxygen tent on k2's peak.
and so on.

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"Kick over the statues and the tyrants die. Wave bye bye to their heroes with a hammer."
--The Redskins, Kick Over the Statues

Got anything from this century?

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Lance Armstrong’s Last Words, August 10, 2007 - “We're proud of our record. We won eight Tours, a Vuelta, a Giro and other races and not one positive test," Armstrong said. “I’m not sure if there are many other teams who can say that right now. Couple that with our ethical record, despite all the gossip and nonsense that goes on.”

Found this article somewhat interesting. Not for the amateur analysis, but for the way they focus on Armstrong, and for Daamsgard's reactions.

Analysis: Armstrong?s Tour Blood Levels Debated | Cyclingnews.com

Do you think Daamsgard is really saying what he thinks? Hard to when you are employed by Armstrong's team. Maybe the other teams that employ internal dope controls and anti-doping experts should think about the conflict of interest. More importantly, journalists should. Especially those who are so vocal about doping yet fell head over heals over teams, hang out in their team bus, etc... Oh...what a farce.

BTW...as I stated earlier, I'm racing the tour for sure now. Expecting a call from JV any day now since I've given up gluten and found out my great great grandfather was an Inuit.

as for damsgard saying what he thinks, probably so, as long as we realise he knows his next paycheck depends on his "expert" analysis to serve astana and others.

surprise one- the three men providing opinions all shared writing credit on the peer-reviewed article on blood values showing declines over the course of the Tour de France. two see an indication of blood packing in the data and one doesn't.

surprise two- no mention that damsgard left the employ of that hospital due to his accepting "gratuities" from csc (later saxo) which cast doubt upon his professional independence?

surprise three- damsgard was involved in structuring the bio-passport? and now he's hawking his services to professional teams to interpret their blood data?

give cycling news credit, but not for hard nosed investigative questioning. also have to like that they were about a week late to the party.

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"Kick over the statues and the tyrants die. Wave bye bye to their heroes with a hammer."
--The Redskins, Kick Over the Statues

i agree with Mørkeberg reasoning with regards to respecting the athletes privacy before definitive proof is found. Armstrong posting the values there like they mean something, like they are proof of not doping begs for scrutiny and comment.. to do otherwise would be an abdication of responsibility...

“As scientists, I think our job in this matter is that when something gets posted on the internet and is not normal, we need to say that this is the case,” said Belhage. “Otherwise, if you let it sit there and it is unchallenged, then it would [otherwise] be seen as perfect.

“After that, our job is done,” he added. “Any other action should be evaluated by the usual councils that are sitting and evaluating blood profiles and putting the data together.”

c'mon.. how do your values stay flat like that for the duration of the whole 3 weeks of the tour and even blip up a couple times?

This latest witch hunt apparently can be explained in one word: diarrhea

“If he had, for example, diarrhea, and was dehydrated, it could lead to an increase in blood values," he answered.

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Lance Armstrong’s Last Words, August 10, 2007 - “We're proud of our record. We won eight Tours, a Vuelta, a Giro and other races and not one positive test," Armstrong said. “I’m not sure if there are many other teams who can say that right now. Couple that with our ethical record, despite all the gossip and nonsense that goes on.”

You felt in the trap!

Diarrhea should have left traces on Armstrong' s pants that we would have seen so it wasn't diarrhea!

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6 +2 (according Ashenden) samples with EPO should have banned Lance Armstrong to start next TDF !

Yeah, he was ****ting all over his hotel floor on the rest days.

Just give up the farce. If you're OK with the fact that he doped and dominated, say so. Just don't pretend that the rest of the world is toting around an extra chromosome because they can't fathom in the glory that is Lance.

fine. let's accept your latest "belief." don't you think if he had diarrhoea or was dehydrated, it would have prevented him from keeping up with the peloton? don't you also think it would be a medical case study for all scientists if trouduc had the malady for so many days/weeks and still managed to ride up mt. ventoux? grasping at straws is one thing, but you really have taken it to a new level. you make clowns shake their heads in dismay.

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"Kick over the statues and the tyrants die. Wave bye bye to their heroes with a hammer."
--The Redskins, Kick Over the Statues

You tools are looking for any opportunity. Get over it. Lance has never tested positive and never will. How can you believe a researcher who has a ø thing in his name. He was probably doing 'shrooms (legally) as he was conducting his research.

Moreover, after reading that exhaustive article and in-depth analysis on Cycling News, the stunning conclusion was that Armstrong may have doped or he may not of. Also, Armstrong may have had irregular blood patterns due to natural causes or because he doped. Brilliant analysis.

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Lance Armstrong’s Last Words, August 10, 2007 - “We're proud of our record. We won eight Tours, a Vuelta, a Giro and other races and not one positive test," Armstrong said. “I’m not sure if there are many other teams who can say that right now. Couple that with our ethical record, despite all the gossip and nonsense that goes on.”

yeah, but maybe the diarrhoea was used as some sort of a motivational tool... you know... gave him geat desire to get to the finish line faster so he could relieve himself without the embarrassing skid marks and smell..

No s**t!

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Dope,when training and talent just aren't enough.

i think/hope he was being tongue–in–cheek.. seems to be somewhat of a troll as well..

ah man, not another one of these "Lance does drugs" threads. I have not read any of this, but I'll bet you my next pay check that "Bro Deal" has posted some internet based anti-Lance gossip in here somewhere.....

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