Armstrong Tour Blood Values Suspicious? - Page 3

nah, no one has said that any of this proves that Lance has cheated... only that Lance has posted his numbers, presumably to some how demonstrate that he rode clean, but it turns out that the numbers he has posted are what you'd typically see of someone who is taking blood transfusions... just a bunch of scientist setting the record straight.. Lances numbers show nothing and if anything should raise some eye brows... but absolutely, they don't demonstrate by any stretch of the imagination that he rode clean... that's all.

Lance dopes. This isn't even up for debate.

Of course you have not read any of it. You have shown a clear determination not to let the facts get in the way of your beliefs. Stupid is as stupid does. Let's just hope, for the sake of your employer, that the paycheck you mention does not come from a job that requires thinking.

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People's hematocrits often rise 10% during a three week GT even as their reticulocytes, which are required to increase hematocrit, drop to half their normal values. It is also well known that increases in hematocrits often come after rest days, and such increases are equivalent to what would happen with one unit of transfused blood. It is all coincidence, I am sure. Pure coincidence. It is not like someone who has been proven to have used EPO in 1999 would dope, would they?

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as i said... his numbers ARE indicative of someone who is cheating and it's good the people have been brave enough to come out and call a spade a spade, but for him to be sanctioned he needs to be shown to be taken through the accepted process, be shown to be exceeding thresholds etc..

[QUOTE=Bro Deal;3907251]Nope. There has to be a B sample to have a sanction; but since six of Armstrong's samples tested positive for EPO, there is no question that he was using drugs. Whether the UCI decides to pursue sanctions is irrelevant to the fact that Armstrong has been proven to have doped. Armstrong making a $500K under the table payment to the UCI in 1999 tends to give the UCI a reason to look the other way.[/QUOTE]

See I told you that you had inserted some internet based gossip in a post somewhere in this thread. I knew it !!! Typical "Sniffer"

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And let's not forget, we haven't seen numbers for Contador or the Schlecklet. Who knows how that looks like.

This is just so typical of a saddle sniffer it is hilarious. Once again a moron proves that he does not know what he is talking about. One wonders whether you have to be born this stupid or whether it takes years of practice.

Armstrong admitted paying the UCI in his deposition during the SCA arbitration. Sylvia Schenk, when she was running for UCI president, revealed that Armstrong had made an undisclosed payment to the UCI.

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easy, bro. it could be that sly simply didn't follow the livestrong bracelet instructions and decided to wear it as a necklace. you might be explaining things too fast for sly to understand.

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[quote=slyjackson;3908402]This has been known for years and was confirmed publicly by Armstrong.

Thursday's Eurofile: Giro dispute settled; Armstrong aids in anti-doping effort - VeloNews

So I'm a little confused as to where the "internet based gossip" part comes in?

Actually Armstrong's statements about the money were misleading. When information leaked out that he had been paying money to the UCI, he tried to make it seem like the payment was recent and for "anti-doping." In fact the payment was made in 1999, after the UCI accepted his backdated TUE during the 1999 Tour de France.

In his deposition for the SCA arbitration he was evasive about what he had given the UCI. He claimed he could not remember how many times he had paid the UCI and how much he had paid them. That implies that he made more than one payment.

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The ol' cortico-steroids rears it's head again. Remind me again what levels Lance's "failed" test showed and what the acceptable limits were...

seems you should be reminded that athletes take agents to mask and to flush banned substances from their bodies.

so i guess since DiLuca's testosterone tests in 2007 were under the max level, then they are all good for you as well... forget about the fact that they were SO low to literally be the equivalent of a pre-pubescent GIRL.

the point remains that Armstrong flunked a test corticosteroids and then produced a doctors note post test with a dubious explanation for why the substance was in his body. so whether he was using it illicitly and insufficiently masked or flushed or was using it stupidly for legit reason who knows.. it was in his body and it wasn't supposed to be...he has indeed failed a dope test, end of story.

I understand perfectly whats being said, I just like ruffling bro deals feathers thats all.

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Remind me again how a clean rider can beat doping rivals 7 years in a row.