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they had to orchestrate a field sprint if Breschel was detached, or get a one on one or three man, with Sanchez versus Cancellara.

Sanchez and Cancellara are about the best descenders in the peloton, and Cancellara would have kept riding as long as your came thru for a small turn. As long as Sanchez' turns did not compromise him to a Cancellara attack from behind, then Sanchez woulda pumped Canc in a kick. And Canc woulda kept riding to the line, to ensure a sprint.

And Valverde would have acted like the perfect anchor.

So, it was field sprint, or, SS v Cancellara.

Joaquim Rodriguez was shot, just stupid letting him ride off with the gold medal as an achor. He anchor'ed jack ****. He took the gold away, and SS or Valverde woulda had to put their nose in the wind.

Why put a guy away, who is shot. That means SS or AV had to put their nose in the wind if they wanted to contest a sprint for the win.

Classic1 is right.

Dr Spoc is now Dr **** for Brains.

Dr, do you know anything about cycling.

Bronze and Silver mean ****. Everyone only cares about the top step on the podium, the win.

Do you ever see the entire podium at the stages in the Tour. No. Theres ya answer ya silly cnut.

everyone, the doctor is now "the proctologist"!

Gold.

first loser

worse loser

oh man, the stupidity..

like they sat down and made a conscious decision to put Rodriguez in the break.. he ended up in the break because Valverde was watching Cunego (are you fools saying that was a bad idea?) and Sanchez was watching Cancellara (are you fools saying that was a bad idea?) are were not in position when that went..

so what should have happened... Rodrigez should have not covered that break (all things being equal the others should have brought this back.. this should have been good for Spain even thought it wasn't planned)? Sanchez and or Valverde should have chased it down? you have to start from there, the break went and Rodriguez covered it.. that's just how it unfolded on the road, what should have happened from there?

NO, there is no podium for staged in the Tour de France... that's how much you know.. but you sure see them for the GC at the end though... Cadel Evans would have given his left "cnut" to smell one of those steps this year too.. LOL!! "cnut" LOL!

oh, man, not another cycling = Tour de France wing "cnut"

Go and watch it again you dikhead. Then come back here and delete your post.

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ok, you're a moron.. it's so because i just said it.. lol..

smart men have arguments, not just short, glib, one liners that add nothing to the discussion.. thanks for coming out.. when you have something of substance to add we'll be happy to have you back.. you can pick up your participation medal at the door.. lol.. what a loser!

i'll have to watch it again to be sure, but that's how i remember it..

but, let's go with that, tell me how is it bad that Rodriguez is in the break of three, a break that if all else being equal should have fairly easily been brought back.. by the non-spanish in the break of course leaving the others just that little bit tired for the finish... if i have Valverde saying he's not quite up to it and i'm pitching Sanchez against Cunego in a sprint.. i want Cunego as tired as i can get him... even if it as you say it's not a bad move.. it just didn't work out.. **** happens... that's what i'm saying..

You're several rungs below me on the intellectual step ladder of life tiger. Go and watch the finish again. Pay careful attention to who does what and when.

Then shut up already and accept the fact you got it wrong.

By the way there is more collective cycling wisdom in a Classic1 fart than you are likely to acquire in your lifetime.

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and yet, the **** for brains cannot even read?

ok, looks like all's gone quiet with the armchair quarterbacks faulting the Spanish for tactics that should have worked and would have worked 9 times out of ten... hindsight is 20/20, but there is/was nothing with how the Spanish played it, as i said, as it played out on the road it just didn't work out.. there are no absolutes and sh!t happens

i ask the "smart men" how they would have played it and all i hear is crickets..lol..

let's say that Rodiguez did just hang back and they used him to bring back Evans and Kolobnev? what if he wasn't up to it.. and he likely wasn't as it was all he could do was hang onto Kolobnev (so in all likely hood it was best to use him as they did), ok so now who do we use up? Valverde, likely because he was reporting that he was hurting... so Valverde is gone after his pull up the climb.. so we are back to Cunego and Cancellara against Sanchez in the sprint.. on paper Cunego wins that one... you just don't bring a guy like Cunego to the line with you at a world championships...

anyway, the point is that there are many different ways they could have played it and all of them have a certain uncertainty associated with them, but there is just nothing particularly wrong with the way the Spanish played it.. it should have worked.. it didn't.. sh!t happens.. stop the bullsh!t armchair quarterbacking.. there is nothing particularly wrong with the way the Spanish played it..

sorry thunder.. you did actually have some scenarios.. missed your post..

a) Sanchez and Valverde... all things being as they should, should have never had to put their nose in the wind because the others should have been smart enough to realize that the spanish were not going to chase down rodriguez and that their only chance for anything was to put THEIR noses in the air.. that's why you put your weakest guy in what should have been a doomed break... all things being as they should...

b) yes, Sanchez on paper should have been able to take Cancellara in a sprint correct, but what of Cunego? on paper Cunego takes Sanchez in a sprint right? what if they brought Cunego with them? maybe if the climb is taken at a more steady pace, maybe Breshel makes it to the line..

c) yeah, i'm sure Cancellara is going to pull with Sanchez as Valverde sits on..? are you smoking crack again.. LOL... yeah, that would happen.. lol.. that's perfectly reasonable.. lol..

my point again is that you guys are just arm chair quarterbacking and trying to find fault where there just isn't any, what they did should have worked.. your scenarios are also fraught with some big time chances and also kind of unlikely as well and are as likely to less to have succeeded...

what they did actually should have gotten Sanchez and Valverde to a small selection with the competition a little bit diminished in strength and given them more chance than any at the win... Sanchez and Valverde should have been able to work Cunego and Cancellara in the finale and maybe even taken gold and silver.. but sometimes sh!t happens...

I think this discussion sums up why Evans has won. Sanchez, Valverde, Cunego, Cancellara and others in that final break were reasoning just like Thunder, Classic, Spoc and Vadar, missing to notice Evans in the front. They were calculating - he was working. It looks like no one took him serious before the race. They were too much concentrated on each other.

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has their been much coverage of CE's win in the Aussie media today???

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morelike hypocrisy.

yup, agreed... sometimes the best tactic is to put your head down and get it done.. and let the other x themselves out... which is precisely what Evans did.

for sure he had a little bit of luck on his side, but one thing i've learned over the years is that you have to first put yourself in a position where you can be lucky (or skillful or strong for that matter).. no amount of luck is going to teleport you 30 seconds down the road...