speeding ticket - Page 2

mike <gamma@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message news:<3EDA2B23.BF2823E9@nyc.rr.com>...
> Ron McKinnon wrote:
> >
> >
> --
> "I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain -- I do not need to explain why I say things.
> That's the interesting thing about being the president. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why
> they say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation. "
> - George Bush Jr.
>
>
Did George Dublya Junior get a new speech writer? He's not usually this lucid.

(maybe he borrowed PM Chretien's "A proof is a proof" speechwriter)

tomk2003@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote in message news:<sdddbb.bp8.ln@bud.garden.local>...

>>
> Actually, if one was so inclined, it's quite easy for a rider to speed through a school or
> playground zone with a speed limit of 30 Km/h (20 MPH).
>
> I've noted how many drivers will step on the gas just to get past a rider who is doing the speed
> limit in a school zone. And I've also noted how many riders ignore those speed limits.
>
>
and it's WONDERFULLY satisfying to see the officer hiding behind that tree pull them over for
speeding, just after they pass you :-)

schadenfreude ..... priceless:-)

one of the six billion <varuna.remove@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>"Steven M. O'Neill" <steveo@panix.com> wrote in message
>>
>> It seems silly to want to try. A speed limit is meant to control the damage a motor vehicle can
>> do, right? Obviously a bicycle (with rider) weighs much much less than car and can do much much
>> less damage at any given speed.
>>
>
>Of course a car will do much more damage than a bicycle at 30 mph, however a car can stop faster.

On what planet?

>There are definite times when a bicycle can be dangerous because of excess speed.

Right -- I wasn't trying to say that a bicycle can't be dangerous. Just that a speed limit for bikes
seems silly.

>On the other hand, because of the potential for damage as well as the scale I think every minute
>spent targeting bicycle infractions is time wasted going after the bigger fish, people breaking the
>law driving motor vehicles.

Exactly.
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Steven O'Neill steveo@panix.com The true automobile is the bicycle.

"Steven M. O'Neill" <steveo@panix.com> wrote in message news:bbfpr9$ikt$1@reader1.panix.com...
> one of the six billion <varuna.remove@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >"Steven M. O'Neill" <steveo@panix.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >> It seems silly to want to try. A speed limit is meant to control the damage a motor vehicle can
> >> do, right? Obviously a bicycle (with rider) weighs much much less than car and can do much much
> >> less damage at any given speed.
> >>
> >
> >Of course a car will do much more damage than a bicycle at 30 mph,
however
> >a car can stop faster.
>
> On what planet?
>

I've never measured it, but I don't follow closely behind cars because on occasions that I have I
had a hard time stopping as fast as they did. On top of that I don't believe they were stopping as
fast as they could, but I was.

steveo@panix.com (Steven M. O'Neill) wrote:
> one of the six billion <varuna.remove@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> >Of course a car will do much more damage than a bicycle at 30 mph, however a car can stop faster.
>
> On what planet?

Actually...practically speaking, a car going 30 mph *can* stop faster...without throwing the
driver halfway down the block, flipping him over a few times, and scraping most of the skin from
his body, anyway.

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one of the six billion <varuna.remove@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>"Steven M. O'Neill" <steveo@panix.com> wrote in message news:bbfpr9$ikt$1@reader1.panix.com...
>> one of the six billion <varuna.remove@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Steven M. O'Neill" <steveo@panix.com> wrote in message
>> >>
>> >> It seems silly to want to try. A speed limit is meant to control the damage a motor vehicle
>> >> can do, right? Obviously a bicycle (with rider) weighs much much less than car and can do much
>> >> much less damage at any given speed.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Of course a car will do much more damage than a bicycle at 30 mph,
>however
>> >a car can stop faster.
>>
>> On what planet?
>
>I've never measured it, but I don't follow closely behind cars because on occasions that I have I
>had a hard time stopping as fast as they did. On top of that I don't believe they were stopping as
>fast as they could, but I was.

I belive you forgot to subtract out your reaction time.
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Steven O'Neill steveo@panix.com The true automobile is the bicycle.

steveo@panix.com (Steven M. O'Neill) wrote:

>one of the six billion <varuna.remove@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>>Of course a car will do much more damage than a bicycle at 30 mph, however a car can stop faster.
>
>On what planet?

This one, for example.

The limit of braking on a bike is about 0.6g's - beyond that, and you're doing a Superman pose over
your bars.

A car can stop considerably faster than that if the driver has half a clue what he or she is doing.
And I should mention that not everyone on a bike is capable of a 0.6g stop - many are afraid of
over-application of the front brake.

FWIW, when I'm on my tandem I certainly don't worry about going over the bars, and I can generate
a considerable amount of stopping power withe they hydraulic front brake. I can easily outstop
"half bikes".

Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame

Mark Hickey <mark@habcycles.com> wrote:

> I can easily outstop "half bikes".

Especially when the braking method is helmet into mirror, eh Mark?

How are you healing up?

RFM
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Steven M. O'Neill wrote:

> >Of course a car will do much more damage than a bicycle at 30 mph, however a car can stop faster.
>
> On what planet?

On any planet with a gravitational field. Reason: the center of mass is high on a bicycle, not so on
an automobile. When was the last time you saw a car do an endo?

Car with good brakes and tires can decelerate near 1 g. Best a bike can do is about 0.6 g.
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://www.terrymorse.com/bike/

"Steven M. O'Neill" <steveo@panix.com> wrote in message news:bbgbnv$p2f$1@reader1.panix.com...
> one of the six billion <varuna.remove@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >"Steven M. O'Neill" <steveo@panix.com> wrote in message news:bbfpr9$ikt$1@reader1.panix.com...
> >> one of the six billion <varuna.remove@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"Steven M. O'Neill" <steveo@panix.com> wrote in message
> >> >>
> >> >> It seems silly to want to try. A speed limit is meant to control the damage a motor vehicle
> >> >> can do, right? Obviously a bicycle (with rider) weighs much much less than car and can do
> >> >> much much less damage at any given speed.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Of course a car will do much more damage than a bicycle at 30 mph,
> >however
> >> >a car can stop faster.
> >>
> >> On what planet?
> >
> >I've never measured it, but I don't follow closely behind cars because
on
> >occasions that I have I had a hard time stopping as fast as they did.
On
> >top of that I don't believe they were stopping as fast as they could,
but I
> >was.
>
> I belive you forgot to subtract out your reaction time.
> --

Cars have decelerated in front of me much faster than the 2 tenths of a second max that I can start
braking from when I first see their brake lights. I've come up to many four way stop signs screaming
as fast as I could while coming to a full stop and had cars that were much farther away than I was
make it there first. Cars can stop faster than bikes.

Terry Morse <tmorse@spamcop.net> wrote:
>Steven M. O'Neill wrote:
>
>> >Of course a car will do much more damage than a bicycle at 30 mph, however a car can stop
>> >faster.
>>
>> On what planet?
>
>On any planet with a gravitational field. Reason: the center of mass is high on a bicycle, not so
>on an automobile. When was the last time you saw a car do an endo?
>
>Car with good brakes and tires can decelerate near 1 g. Best a bike can do is about 0.6 g.

Okay, if you know about g's, I'm willing to accept that I'm (perhaps) wrong this time
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Steven O'Neill steveo@panix.com The true automobile is the bicycle.

one of the six billion <varuna.remove@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>"Steven M. O'Neill" <steveo@panix.com> wrote in message news:bbgbnv$p2f$1@reader1.panix.com...
>> one of the six billion <varuna.remove@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Steven M. O'Neill" <steveo@panix.com> wrote in message news:bbfpr9$ikt$1@reader1.panix.com...
>> >> one of the six billion <varuna.remove@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >"Steven M. O'Neill" <steveo@panix.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It seems silly to want to try. A speed limit is meant to control the damage a motor vehicle
>> >> >> can do, right? Obviously a bicycle (with rider) weighs much much less than car and can do
>> >> >> much much less damage at any given speed.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Of course a car will do much more damage than a bicycle at 30 mph,
>> >however
>> >> >a car can stop faster.
>> >>
>> >> On what planet?
>> >
>> >I've never measured it, but I don't follow closely behind cars because
>on
>> >occasions that I have I had a hard time stopping as fast as they did.
>On
>> >top of that I don't believe they were stopping as fast as they could,
>but I
>> >was.
>>
>> I belive you forgot to subtract out your reaction time.
>> --
>
>Cars have decelerated in front of me much faster than the 2 tenths of a second max that I can start
>braking from when I first see their brake lights. I've come up to many four way stop signs
>screaming as fast as I could while coming to a full stop and had cars that were much farther away
>than I was make it there first. Cars can stop faster than bikes.

Okay, okay. Maybe you're right. But they definitely can't accelerate as quickly.
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Steven O'Neill steveo@panix.com The true automobile is the bicycle.

In article <jEeCa.87450$h42.23821@twister.nyc.rr.com>, spamrecieptaccount@rr.com says...
>I have a client on 145th street in harlen (NYC). The person who does the cleaning and odd jobs
>(robert) regularly rides a bike. When I'm ther, we regularly "talk bikes". Mayor Mike Bloomberg has
>(allegedly) instituted a Quota System for the police to serve as a revenue generator.
>
>Just before mothers day, Robert was "pulled over" by an unmarked NYC police car and given a ticket
>for speeding.

How fast was he going? How was he clocked? It will be a tough fight in any case. NYC has tipped
their scales in their favor when it comes to defending yourself against a traffic ticket. The rights
you would expect, like discovery, are severely limited, or taken away completely. Your best bet is
to keep postponing the ticket as many times as possible and hope that on the time you do show up,
the cop does not and the ticket gets thrown out.
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In article <3EDA2B23.BF2823E9@nyc.rr.com>, gamma@nyc.rr.com says...

>I hope he did not show his Drivers License!

That's a good point. Many people, including some so called judges in traffic court, don't know
the law and will convict in such a way that you get points on your drivers license, which is
not the case.
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Alex __O _-\<,_ (_)/ (_)

In article <bbfpr9$ikt$1@reader1.panix.com>, steveo@panix.com says...

>>Of course a car will do much more damage than a bicycle at 30 mph, however a car can stop faster.
>On what planet?

What planet are you on? A car can stop much faster than a bicycle.
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