How to identify this older Peugeot road bike?

How can I identify this bike? I rescued it out of somebody's trash on garbage day, and it appears to
be a pretty nice road bike (I was expecting a dime-a-dozen 1980s 10-speed).

I can take detailed pictures with my digital camera if anybody thinks it would help.

Keeping in mind that some components have probably been changed, here's everything I can
list about it:

"Peugeot" in blue letters over dark grey dithered fading-towards-rear checker-patterned boxes on top
tube Dull silver or metallic grey general paint color Chrome-plated/polished fork "Super Vitus 980"
"Special Double Butted" tubing Major tubing joints have reinforcement metal on them, looks almost
like the sort of tubing connector where you slide all involved tubes into it; but it is obiously
only a reinforcement due to it's thin gauge. Mavic Module E2 rim on rear Rigida 7000 rim on front,
slightly wider; I suspect this rim was original equipment for both Peugeot Helico Matic rear hub, no
label on front hub Mostly Peugeot components (drivetrain, brakes) Quick-release hubs "Laprade"
seatpost which appears to be cast-aluminum Selle Italia RS saddle Large chainring has very fine logo
printed, may say "Strongught" or something similar (I just looked with a magnifying glass, looks
like "Stronglight") Downtube shifters; they have "S" stamped on face near the end "Mafac" stamped on
brake levers (single-type/aero levers) 1926363, PF60, and 56 printed on a label on the underside of
the bottom bracket 3 chainring, 5 cog Large round reflectors on front and back Found with old 700c x
25 x 90psi Michelins threaded-style stem Brakes each have a single cable that ends in a bracket
which then has a seperate short cable whose ends attach to each side of brake (is this a "double
pull" brake?)

Thank you, Rick Onanian

Rick Onanian <spamsink@cox.net> wrote in newsprr1wli1sw8gzvw@news.east.cox.net:
> 1926363, PF60, and 56 printed on a label on the underside of the bottom bracket

PF60 could be the model number. It doesn't sound familiar, but Peugeot used model numbers like that
(the PX and UO series were pretty common). Don't know what year.

"Rick Onanian" <spamsink@cox.net> wrote in message newsprr1wli1sw8gzvw@news.east.cox.net...
>
> How can I identify this bike? I rescued it out of somebody's trash on garbage day, and it appears
> to be a pretty nice road bike (I was expecting a dime-a-dozen 1980s 10-speed).
>
> I can take detailed pictures with my digital camera if anybody thinks it would help.
>
> Keeping in mind that some components have probably been changed, here's everything I can list
> about it:
>
> "Peugeot" in blue letters over dark grey dithered fading-towards-rear checker-patterned boxes on
> top tube Dull silver or metallic grey general paint color Chrome-plated/polished fork "Super Vitus
> 980" "Special Double Butted" tubing Major tubing joints have reinforcement metal on them, looks
> almost like
the
> sort of tubing connector where you slide all involved tubes into it; but
it
> is obiously only a reinforcement due to it's thin gauge.

Sounds like a lugged frame, which would be the case with the good quality frame tubing. Yes, this
probably is the "sort of tubing connector..." you described, with the tubes being brazed into the
lugs by hand.

> Mavic Module E2 rim on rear Rigida 7000 rim on front, slightly wider; I suspect this rim was
> original equipment for both Peugeot Helico Matic rear hub, no label on front hub Mostly Peugeot
> components (drivetrain, brakes) Quick-release hubs "Laprade" seatpost which appears to be
> cast-aluminum Selle Italia RS saddle Large chainring has very fine logo printed, may say
> "Strongught" or something similar (I just looked with a magnifying glass, looks like
> "Stronglight")

Stronglight is a very well known French component maker, still doing business in Europe. Good but
not great components, Peugeot put a lot of Stronglight stuff on their higher priced offerings.

> Downtube shifters; they have "S" stamped on face near the end

Simplex? French company known for truly wretched plastic derailleurs, although some of their
downtube shifters were highly regarded. Original equipment on lots of Peugeots.

> "Mafac" stamped on brake levers (single-type/aero levers) 1926363, PF60, and 56 printed on a label
> on the underside of the bottom bracket

56 cm seat tube?
> 3 chainring, 5 cog

By the early to mid '80s, just about every decent bike had 6 cogs in back.

> Large round reflectors on front and back

Required on bikes sold in US

> Found with old 700c x 25 x 90psi Michelins threaded-style stem Brakes each have a single cable
> that ends in a bracket which then has a seperate short cable whose ends attach to each side of
> brake (is this a "double pull" brake?)

This sounds like a "center-pull" brake, probably made by Mafac like the brake levers.
Unbelievably noisy.
>

--
mark

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:45:31 GMT, mark <markfelber@earthlink.nospam.net> wrote:
>> Major tubing joints have reinforcement metal on them, looks almost like sort of tubing connector
>> where you slide all involved tubes into it; but is obiously only a reinforcement due to it's
>> thin gauge.
>
> Sounds like a lugged frame, which would be the case with the good quality frame tubing. Yes, this
> probably is the "sort of tubing connector..." you described, with the tubes being brazed into the
> lugs by hand.

I looked up "lugged" and agree, based on the description found at
http://www.winternet.com/~rtandems/const.html of lugged frames.

>> Downtube shifters; they have "S" stamped on face near the end
>
> Simplex? French company known for truly wretched plastic derailleurs, although some of their
> downtube shifters were highly regarded. Original equipment on lots of Peugeots.

Confirmed, the "S" on them is the Simplex logo with a little line through
it. These shifters are not plastic (that would be terrible!).

>> 1926363, PF60, and 56 printed on a label on the underside of the bottom bracket
>
> 56 cm seat tube?

Hmm...Measured from inside of joint @ BB to inside of joint at top tube,
52cm.

>> 3 chainring, 5 cog
>
> By the early to mid '80s, just about every decent bike had 6 cogs in back.

That helps, probably from 70s then.

>> Brakes each have a single cable that ends in a bracket which then has a seperate short cable
>> whose ends attach to each side of brake (is this a "double pull" brake?)
>
> This sounds like a "center-pull" brake, probably made by Mafac like the brake levers.
> Unbelievably noisy.

Indeed, like this: http://images.google.com/images?q=tbnyyR-phui-8C:www.c-
able.ne.jp/~toru35/raleigh/centerpull.jpg

but not like this:
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...centerpull.gif

How is the difference expressed between those two types, both apparently called center pull? Center
pull canti vs. center pull V?

Additional info: Atax Stem "Atax" "Franco Italia D352" (both stamped on left side near center)
"Guidons Philippe" (stamped on right near center) drop handlebars Spidel Mallard QR skewers

Thank you,
Rick

"Rick Onanian" <spamsink@cox.net> wrote in message newsprr5acbn6w8gzvw@news.east.cox.net...
> > 56 cm seat tube?
>
> Hmm...Measured from inside of joint @ BB to inside of joint at top tube,
> 52cm.

Measurements of seat tube length are usually performed from the center of the BB to either the top
of the seat tube or the center of the top tube where it meets the seat tube.
http://www.coloradocyclist.com/BikeF...dimensions.cfm

> > This sounds like a "center-pull" brake, probably made by Mafac like the brake levers.
> > Unbelievably noisy.
>
> Indeed, like this: http://images.google.com/images?q=tbnyyR-phui-8C:www.c-
> able.ne.jp/~toru35/raleigh/centerpull.jpg
>
> but not like this:
>
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...in.com/graphic
s/centerpull.gif
>
> How is the difference expressed between those two types, both apparently called center pull?
> Center pull canti vs. center pull V?

Simple. Cantilever brakes (your second image) are called cantilever brakes or cantis. Center-pulls
are center-pulls. Whoever posted the second image called cantis centerpulls erroneously. Also, "V"
brakes are a different entity all together. They mount on the same brake bosses as cantis, but use a
linear-pull mechanism (thus their also being called linear pull brakes). Here's picture for you:
http://bicycleaustin.info/graphics/vbrakes.jpg

By the way, if you read the website where those images came from, you will see some advice on brakes
that is also suspect. While V-brakes are well known for their stopping power, they are not
necessarily the best solution. Their website states that side-pull brakes are lower quality and
aren't used much any more. This is true for mountain bikes, but not true for road bikes. The
side-pulls on my road bike are every bit as powerful as the v-brakes on my mountain bike.

-Buck

"Rick Onanian" t> wrote
> Additional info: Atax Stem "Atax" "Franco Italia D352" (both stamped on left side near center)
> "Guidons Philippe" (stamped on right near center) drop handlebars Spidel Mallard QR skewers
>
> Thank you,
> Rick

My '78 or '79 PX-10 had identical markings on the handlebars (this was Peugeot's entry-level racing
bike in the '60s and '70s), and Maillard hubs and freewheel. Your bike sounds like one of Peugeot's
higher quality touring bikes of the period (hence the triple chainring), with high quality frame
tubing, and good to average components.
--
mark

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:46:08 GMT, Buck" u n k m a i l g a l a x y c o r p . c o m <@> wrote:
> Simple. Cantilever brakes (your second image) are called cantilever or cantis. Center-pulls are
> center-pulls. Whoever posted the second image called cantis centerpulls erroneously. Also, "V"
> brakes are a different entity all together. They mount on the same brake bosses as cantis, but a
> linear-pull mechanism (thus their also being called linear pull brakes)

Okay, the FIRST image is what I have; but again, it is controlled with a short cable between the two
sides, hooked in it's center to a single cable going to the brake lever.

What I have: http://images.google.com/images?q=tbnyyR-phui-8C:www.c-
able.ne.jp/~toru35/raleigh/centerpull.jpg (except, different markings, labels, etc)

OTOH, my 2001 Giant TCR2 has what I thought were standard cantis, which look similar but have the
single brake lever cable going to one side of the brake. This, I now believe, is called a side-pull.

> Here's picture for you: http://bicycleaustin.info/graphics/vbrakes.jpg

That picture looks like what I _expect_ V brakes to look like, exactly like the V's on my
mountain bike.

In the picture
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...centerpull.gif (the
second picture I posted) these look on to be similar construction to V brakes, which is why I
thought they were just a different type of V's. So, that picture is of "cantis", and the first
picture (as on the Peugeot) are "center pulls", and my Giant has "side-pulls" (and of course, my
MTB has V's).

Summary (correct me if I'm wrong): Cantis and V's mount one piece to each side of the wheel and are
pulled by the cable inward Center pulls and side pulls mount to a single bolt centered above the
wheel and both sides pivot on that bolt Cantis and center-pulls share similar cable-operations where
a cable between the two sides is pulled in it's center by the brake lever's cable V's and side-pulls
each have their own cable operation/movement.

And I always thought the ones that cross the center and mount to a single bolt above the wheel were
called cantis. It's good to learn what's correct! (In fact, I was getting "Cantilever" confused with
"Caliper".)

For the benefit of people searching usenet archives: See also all headings at
http://www.parktool.com/repair_help/...x.shtml#brakes

> By the way, if you read the website where those images came from, you

I didn't read the website, just got it from a google image search.

> Their website states that side-pull brakes are lower quality and aren't much any more. This is
> true for mountain bikes, but not true for road The side-pulls on my road bike are every bit as
> powerful as the v-brakes my mountain bike.

Indeed, the side-pulls on my TCR2 have power to spare even when I haven't got technique to spare --
when I was test-riding the bike before I bought it, I was doing about 35mph downhill on a city
street when a car pulled out of a sidestreet; I got my weight back as much as I could, braked as
much as I could without head-dabbing, and the brakes felt great...and since then, I've certainly
scrubbed large speed for long durations with them, nary a question in my mind.

--
Rick Onanian

"Rick Onanian" <spamsink@cox.net> wrote in message newsprr5ufkeqw8gzvw@news.east.cox.net...

> In the picture
>
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...in.com/graphic
s/centerpull.gif
> (the second picture I posted) these look on to be similar construction to V brakes, which is why I
> thought they were just a different type of V's. So, that picture is of "cantis", and the first
> picture (as on the Peugeot) are "center pulls",
and
> my Giant has "side-pulls" (and of course, my MTB has V's).
>
> Summary (correct me if I'm wrong): Cantis and V's mount one piece to each side of the wheel and
> are pulled by the cable inward Center pulls and side pulls mount to a single bolt centered above
> the wheel and both sides pivot on that bolt Cantis and center-pulls share similar cable-operations
> where a cable between the two sides is pulled in it's center by the brake lever's cable V's and
> side-pulls each have their own cable operation/movement.

Looks like you have it straight. You might also like to see Sheldon's primer on cantilever brakes
(as well as v-brakes): http://www.sheldonbrown.com/cantilever-geometry.html

-Buck