Almost got a ticket today! - Page 2

Peter Cole <peter_cole_no_spam_at_all@comcast.net> wrote:

> For me it's about getting from point A to B. If I stopped for all the traffic controls I might as
> well drive. The only thing motorists respect is not being slowed down. Me too.

Twit.

"Scott" <ScottLWI@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
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> Peter Cole wrote:
> >
> > For me it's about getting from point A to B. If I stopped for all the
traffic
> > controls I might as well drive. The only thing motorists respect is not
being
> > slowed down. Me too.
> >
> >
>
> Yes, I feel the same way when I'm in a car. Who needs to stop at all those steenkin' signs?
> <eyeroll>

Traffic signals are all about efficiency, not safety or courtesy. If motorists ignore them gridlock
ensues (earlier than normal). Bikes don't have the same effect. While you slavishly obey the letter
of the law, you violate the spirit.

"Harris" <aharris@bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote in message
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> Peter Cole <peter_cole_no_spam_at_all@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > For me it's about getting from point A to B. If I stopped for all the
traffic
> > controls I might as well drive. The only thing motorists respect is not
being
> > slowed down. Me too.
>
> Twit.

Twat.

Peter Cole wrote:
> "Scott" <ScottLWI@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
> news:4044b4af$0$1158$80265adb@spool.cs.wisc.edu...
>
>>Peter Cole wrote:
>>
>>>For me it's about getting from point A to B. If I stopped for all the
>
> traffic
>
>>>controls I might as well drive. The only thing motorists respect is not
>
> being
>
>>>slowed down. Me too.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Yes, I feel the same way when I'm in a car. Who needs to stop at all those steenkin' signs?
>><eyeroll>
>
>
> Traffic signals are all about efficiency, not safety or courtesy. If motorists ignore them
> gridlock ensues (earlier than normal). Bikes don't have the same effect. While you slavishly obey
> the letter of the law, you violate the spirit.

I'm glad you don't drive through my neighborhood.

Scott, really at notscape det not

Scott <ScottLWI@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> I'm glad you don't drive through my neighborhood.

he should really move to mine. it's perfectly legal to treat a stop sign as a yield in idaho.

idaho 49-720 i believe.

http://respect.to/legal/rolling_stops.html http://www.webs.uidaho.edu/police/Op...s/bicycles.htm

i can't bring myself to do it, tho. for proponents of give an inch take a mile most people treat
stop lights the same way and many believe they're justified.
--
david reuteler

"Scott" <ScottLWI@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
news:4044e9f4$0$1163$80265adb@spool.cs.wisc.edu...
> Peter Cole wrote:
> > Traffic signals are all about efficiency, not safety or courtesy. If
motorists
> > ignore them gridlock ensues (earlier than normal). Bikes don't have the
same
> > effect. While you slavishly obey the letter of the law, you violate the spirit.
>
> I'm glad you don't drive through my neighborhood.

I think you missed my point entirely. I always stop for traffic signals when I drive. I rarely do
when I bike.

"David Reuteler" <reuteler@munged.net> wrote in message
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> Scott <ScottLWI@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> > I'm glad you don't drive through my neighborhood.
>
> he should really move to mine. it's perfectly legal to treat a stop sign as a yield in idaho.
>
> idaho 49-720 i believe.
>
> http://respect.to/legal/rolling_stops.html
> http://www.webs.uidaho.edu/police/Op...s/bicycles.htm
>
> i can't bring myself to do it, tho. for proponents of give an inch take a mile most people treat
> stop lights the same way and many believe they're justified.

Seems like a very logical set of rules to me. I pretty much ride the same way in MA even though the
rules are virtually identical to car rules. The fines aren't, so I can live with that. Cops don't
pay any attention to bikes either, except where "bike advocates" have insisted on it. Unless you're
impeding traffic. They get nasty about that despite it being perfectly legal.

Peter Cole wrote:
> "Scott" <ScottLWI@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
> news:4044e9f4$0$1163$80265adb@spool.cs.wisc.edu...
>
>>Peter Cole wrote:
>>
>>>Traffic signals are all about efficiency, not safety or courtesy. If
>
> motorists
>
>>>ignore them gridlock ensues (earlier than normal). Bikes don't have the
>
> same
>
>>>effect. While you slavishly obey the letter of the law, you violate the spirit.
>>
>>I'm glad you don't drive through my neighborhood.
>
>
> I think you missed my point entirely. I always stop for traffic signals when I drive. I rarely do
> when I bike.

Oh I see. That's completely different. I'm glad you don't *bike* through my neighborhood.

Scott

On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:40:55 GMT, "Peter Cole"
<peter_cole_no_spam_at_all@comcast.net> wrote:

>> Twit.
>
>Twat.

Wow...any day now, this newsfroup will reach the intelligence level of WWE 'professional wrestling'.
--
Rick Onanian

In article <0yG0c.94017$4o.117244@attbi_s52>,
"Peter Cole" <peter_cole_no_spam_at_all@comcast.net> writes:

> The only place around here that tickets for such things is Cambridge, MA, where the bicycle
> committee has lobbied for it.

It's so stupidly counter-productive to make things harder than they need to be. Oh well, I guess
that bicycle committee thinks they're doing a Good Work, showing that cyclists are "exactly" as
answerable as drivers -- I suppose with the intent of appeasing the drivers and bolstering
cyclist/driver relations.

Of course if cyclists /were/ exactly as answerable as drivers, cyclists shouldn't be forced to be
any more demonstratively law-abiding than drivers. It's most disappointing when cyclists work
against themselves.

No rider who properly yields deserves a ticket, whether or not they come to a complete, foot-
down stop.

I don't think most drivers even care whether or not a rider puts their foot down at a stop line,
as long as they're obviously yielding (an arm signal helps there) and prepared to completely stop
if need be. Drivers do seem to get edgy if riders circle around in front of them at the stop
line, though.

cheers, Tom

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On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:40:33 GMT, "Peter Cole"
<peter_cole_no_spam_at_all@comcast.net> wrote:

>"Scott" <ScottLWI@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
>news:4044b4af$0$1158$80265adb@spool.cs.wisc.edu...
>> Peter Cole wrote:
>> >
>> > For me it's about getting from point A to B. If I stopped for all the
>traffic
>> > controls I might as well drive. The only thing motorists respect is not
>being
>> > slowed down. Me too.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Yes, I feel the same way when I'm in a car. Who needs to stop at all those steenkin' signs?
>> <eyeroll>
>
>Traffic signals are all about efficiency, not safety or courtesy.

Ron? <g

In article <ljb940pk3ok5dvm05trpt9skejua0oiv4q@4ax.com>,
Luigi de Guzman <luigi12081@cox.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 12:50:52 GMT, alicem <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote:
>
> >I once got stopped by the Police here (U.K) for speeding whilst out on a ride and a much welcomed
> >long descent!!!! I think they must have been bored out of their tiny minds. Saying that they did
> >just 'warn' me about the regulations and didn't take it further. Would have been rather funny if
> >they had though
>
> PC Plod strikes again.

Around here, the New Westminster PD has a reputation for being where cops go when they fail the RCMP
entrance exam. That said, I had an enjoyable experience with the NWPD one day on my commute:

There's a major route through downtown New West that has a 30 km/h speed
limit. That's right, a 4-lane road in a commercial shopping district where the maximum speed is 18
mph. One rush-hour morning, the police were out doing a radar set. as I came past pushing
hard, one cop looked up, said, "34, pretty good!" and gave me a thumbs-up. I grinned like a
silly thing.

Can now hit 50 for short sprints on the flats,
--
Ryan Cousineau, rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine/wiredcola/ President, Fabrizio
Mazzoleni Fan Club

"Tom Keats" <tomk2003@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> In article <0yG0c.94017$4o.117244@attbi_s52>, "Peter Cole"
> <peter_cole_no_spam_at_all@comcast.net> writes:
>
> > The only place around here that tickets for such things is Cambridge, MA, where the
bicycle
> > committee has lobbied for it.
>
> It's so stupidly counter-productive to make things harder than they need to be. Oh well, I guess
> that bicycle committee thinks they're doing a Good Work, showing that cyclists are "exactly" as
> answerable as drivers -- I suppose with the intent of appeasing the drivers and bolstering
> cyclist/driver relations.
>
> Of course if cyclists /were/ exactly as answerable as drivers, cyclists shouldn't be forced to be
> any more demonstratively law-abiding than drivers. It's most disappointing when cyclists work
> against themselves.

Yeah, I think the most frequent consequence is that it gives the cops, who are pretty anti-bike to
begin with, and excuse to hassle cyclists. There was a guy who reported on one of the lists as
having been arrested after allegedly running a light and ignoring a stop command. He claimed the cop
mocked him with "Same roads, same rules" as he cuffed him and took him away. I guess he was lucky
not to have been shot.

This same bicycle committee has been striping bike lanes around town, lanes where virtually the
entire width falls within the door zone. They continue this striping despite a dooring fatality last
summer. Heaven save us from cycling advocates.

In article <300a40988d2nvsfdf41hp1f8lgvg7o5p3e@4ax.com>,
Rick Onanian <spamsink@cox.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:40:55 GMT, "Peter Cole" <peter_cole_no_spam_at_all@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> Twit.
> >
> >Twat.
>
> Wow...any day now, this newsfroup will reach the intelligence level of WWE 'professional
> wrestling'.
> --
> Rick Onanian

Aiming pretty high there, Rick???

Equal Rights = Equal Responsibility

Also, the laws of gross tonnage apply at stop signs.

Ride safe.

--
"Freedom Is a Light for Which Many Have Died in Darkness"

- Tomb of the unknown - American Revolution

Peter Cole <peter_cole_no_spam_at_all@comcast.net> wrote:

> I think you missed my point entirely. I always stop for traffic signals when I drive. I rarely do
> when I bike.

Of course. Bikes are just toys.

Art H.