Roberto Gaggioli is a piece of crap - Page 3

"Rik Van Diesel" <metalkprettyoneday@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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..
> > Roberto is a lot of things but he doesn't get violent
> > for no reason. I
think
> > it likely that Sundt did more than "some ~ meaningless
> > crap" to upset Gaggioli.
>
> Gag is a piece of crap. To say anything else to speak is
> to speak out of your ass. Unless you don't want to offend
> you connections.

Yeah, it's always good to get the opinion of a person
posting under an assumed handle. That gives your opinion so
much more weight.

"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
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> In article
> <J_Nlc.6549$Hs1.5339@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> cyclintom@yahoo.com says...
> >"Bob Schwartz" <cvcc@shell.core.com> wrote in message
> >news:109f9v3553uc228@corp.supernews.com...
> >> Carl Sundquist <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote:
> >> > What role did the police play when Mercer hit Myerson
> >> > and broke his
> >skull?
> >> Statements were taken and charges were filed. At one
> >> point a warrant was issued for Mercer's arrest. This
> >> was about the time that Adam stopped posting and he
> >> wasn't public about the resolution.
> >He may not even know.
>
> If he does not know, then probably nothing happened. In
> order to convict they probably needed him to testify.

They don't need him to hang around and find out the verdict.
Adam seemed to me to be pretty unhappy that the fight
occurred at all. He was also a great deal more forgiving
than I would have been.

"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Chris" <chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4096ad1d$0$35101$812600b3@news.nntpaccess.com...
> >
> > "Bob Schwartz" <cvcc@shell.core.com> wrote in message
> > news:109armt5cip7c6a@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Rondechampion <rondechampion@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > USAC----please don't puss out and not suspend this
> > > > a-hole.
> > >
> > > Were there no cops at the race?
> >
> > It does not sound like there were any law enforcement
> > witnesses, but how often is that the case?
> >
> > > I don't see where USAC has a role if the cops don't.
> >
> > Clearly the "cops" would have a role it it was reported.
> > Also, note that Americans under their constitution can
> > seek relief in civil actions if
> they
> > wish without the obligation to have law inforcement
> > involved. It is certainly a good idea in most cases to
> > have them do most of the investigation, but it is not a
> > requirment.
> >
> > >
>
> What role did the police play when Mercer hit Myerson and
> broke his skull?

I do not know what role they played. If you do, maybe you
can finish making your point.

"Adam Hodges Myerson" <adam@cycle-smart.com> wrote in message
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> in article 109f9v3553uc228@corp.supernews.com, Bob
> Schwartz at cvcc@shell.core.com wrote on 5/4/04 10:25 AM:
>
> > Carl Sundquist <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote:
> >> What role did the police play when Mercer hit Myerson
> >> and broke his
skull?
> >
> > Statements were taken and charges were filed. At one
> > point a warrant was issued for Mercer's arrest. This was
> > about the time that Adam stopped posting and he wasn't
> > public about the resolution.
> >
> > Bob Schwartz cvcc@execpc.com
>
> I was told you kids were talking about this.
>
> I saw Jonny's bike after the race, it was ugly. It would
> have really been bad if that was his head. I did not see
> either incident, however.
>
> Mercer got suspended for 13 months from USAC, a 2nd degree
> felony charge,
3
> years probation, and had to pay any uncovered medical
> bills I had, about $600 of $25,000.
>
> Jonny asked me what he should do, I told Jonny he should
> press charges
just
> to make sure he had things documented in case he wanted to
> take recourse later. Supposedly Monex is going to replace
> his bike and other damaged equipment, and Jonny was happy
> with that.
>
> Adam

Sounds good but in addition he needs to make sure assault
charges are filed against this maniac. Why would anyone
think it is ok to leave an act like this unpunished?

andrew_f_martin@hotmail.com (Andrew Martin) wrote in message news:<867aa7dd.0405021634.1adc41fb@posting.google.com>...
> rondechampion@aol.com (Rondechampion) wrote in message news:<20040502125419.15149.00000592@mb-
> m17.aol.com>...
> > Last night at the crit in Anniston, Al he attacked
> > Johnny Sundt with a 2x4. He was upset about some of the
> > meaningless crap that happens during bike races and he
> > tried to assult Johnny.
> >
> > He caved in the down tube on Johnny's bike when Johnny
> > used to bike to protect himself.
> >
> > This guy is a piece of crap and deserves to be suspended
> > for a long time.
> >
> > He pulled a similar stunt a few years when he threw his
> > bike at another riders head and cut his head with the
> > chainring.
> >
> > I wish this guy would just go away.
> >
> > USAC----please don't puss out and not suspend this
> > a-hole.
> >
> > the real rondechampion
>
> There is no excuse for any sort of action like that, but
> Johnny does have a bit of a rep for pulling some dangerous
> stunts. Sundt is such a superior bike handler, that he can
> do stuff that you are certain will take you down, only to
> dash out of it at the last second. He's chopped wheels a
> couple times, with his excuse being that he's a pro and
> his job is to make money any way possible in bike races.
> Some people don't like that.
>
> I've rarely heard a good word spoken about Gag - this
> confirms it. Good to hear nobody was seriously hurt.
>
> -a

www.eriksaunders.com has a note on his site:

i got the story of the kung-fu fight in china from trent
klasna's own mouth specifically so that i could post it...
so i think i will get that written up here soon...

Is that the same incident we were talking about here?

-a

I'll assume that is in addition to dumping Gag. I mean that
sounds laim, "Uh, sorry Jonny for Roberto going ape **** on
you, but here's a new bike, OK?" They should issue an
apology as well.

CH

> Jonny asked me what he should do, I told Jonny he should
> press charges just to make sure he had things documented
> in case he wanted to take recourse later. Supposedly Monex
> is going to replace his bike and other damaged equipment,
> and Jonny was happy with that.
>
> Adam

"Chris" <chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in
> message news:109dkv4fcl9ceb8@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > >
> > > "Bob Schwartz" <cvcc@shell.core.com> wrote in message
> > >
> > > > I don't see where USAC has a role if the cops don't.
> > >
> >
> > What role did the police play when Mercer hit Myerson
> > and broke his
skull?
>
> I do not know what role they played. If you do, maybe you
> can finish
making
> your point.

Until Adam posted, I did not know or recall what role the
police played. However, I was considering that USAC
suspended Mercer for a year, so I didn't know whether USAC
factored in legal charges/findings or suspended Mercer on
their own accord. I still don't know whether legal charges
factored in USAC's decision, but very seldom in major sports
are legal charges filed when a player is fined/suspended.
Did Bill Romanowski have charges filed against him when he
beat up his teammate in the locker room last year?

if only the fed could test him for testosterone and HGH...

One big question is why are we only hearing about this
here? I heard absolutely nothing elsewhere. Why did no
one send this out to Cyclingnews and Velonews? If you
want suspensions, get the media involved so more people
know about it.

"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Chris" <chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in
> > message news:109dkv4fcl9ceb8@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > >
> > > > "Bob Schwartz" <cvcc@shell.core.com> wrote in
> > > > message
> > > >
> > > > > I don't see where USAC has a role if the cops
> > > > > don't.
> > > >
> > >
> > > What role did the police play when Mercer hit Myerson
> > > and broke his
> skull?
> >
> > I do not know what role they played. If you do, maybe
> > you can finish
> making
> > your point.
>
>
>
> Until Adam posted, I did not know or recall what role the
> police played. However, I was considering that USAC
> suspended Mercer for a year, so I didn't know whether USAC
> factored in legal charges/findings or suspended Mercer on
> their own accord. I still don't know whether legal charges
> factored in USAC's decision, but very seldom in major
> sports are legal charges filed when a player is
> fined/suspended. Did Bill Romanowski have charges filed
> against him when he beat up his teammate in the locker
> room last year?

I dunno, but in hockey the police have been getting involved
in some of the really outrageous attacks. Considering that
assault and battery is within the rules (ok, you go to the
penalty box) I would say that counts for something. It seems
to me that in most cases where I thought the local
prosecution should get involved, they have. IOW I do not see
any scary trends where athletes are not able to get justice.

"BJC" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message >
>
>
> if only the fed could test him for testosterone and HGH...

I am sure he has some of both, don't you?

"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<_N5mc.7877$V97.7721@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> "Rik Van Diesel" <metalkprettyoneday@hotmail.com> wrote in
> message
> news:83021f87.0405041315.5df55072@posting.google.com...
> > "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:<7Dglc.3264$Hs1.169@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.-
> net>...
> > > Roberto is a lot of things but he doesn't get violent
> > > for no reason. I
> think
> > > it likely that Sundt did more than "some ~ meaningless
> > > crap" to upset Gaggioli.
> >
> > Gag is a piece of crap. To say anything else to speak is
> > to speak out of your ass. Unless you don't want to
> > offend you connections.
>
> Yeah, it's always good to get the opinion of a person
> posting under an assumed handle. That gives your opinion
> so much more weight.

Kunich might as well be an alias for all I know. Who are you
other than some random jackass who post to RBR? Just cause
you can't google me up doesn't make my opinion less correct.
Believe me I haven't bothered to google your name, but was
able to determine you a jackass solely based on your
contributions to the news group. RVD

"Rik Van Diesel" <metalkprettyoneday@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Just cause you can't google me up doesn't make my opinion
> less correct.

On the contrary, you apparently don't think twice about
lying in writing. You seem to have good reasons to hide your
identification.

In article <409a95bf$0$35074$812600b3@news.nntpaccess.com>,
"Chris" <chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in
> message news:109j66a3r1fc3a8@corp.supernews.com...

> > Until Adam posted, I did not know or recall what role
> > the police played. However, I was considering that USAC
> > suspended Mercer for a year, so I didn't know whether
> > USAC factored in legal charges/findings or suspended
> > Mercer on their own accord. I still don't know whether
> > legal charges factored in USAC's decision, but very
> > seldom in major sports are legal charges filed when a
> > player is fined/suspended. Did Bill Romanowski have
> > charges filed against him when he beat up his teammate
> > in the locker room last year?
>
> I dunno, but in hockey the police have been getting
> involved in some of the really outrageous attacks.
> Considering that assault and battery is within the rules
> (ok, you go to the penalty box) I would say that counts
> for something. It seems to me that in most cases where I
> thought the local prosecution should get involved, they
> have. IOW I do not see any scary trends where athletes are
> not able to get justice.

The essential difference is that of consent. The general
theory is that when you participate in a sporting activity,
you consent to the norms of that sport. So if you race a
bike, you implicitly consent to incidental contact in the
pack, and if you play hockey, you consent to normal levels
of bodychecking and fisticuffs.

--
Ryan Cousineau, rcousine@sfu.ca
http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine/wiredcola/ President, Fabrizio
Mazzoleni Fan Club

"Ryan Cousineau" <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote in message
news:rcousine-0C0ADC.17154606052004@morgoth.sfu.ca...
> In article
> <409a95bf$0$35074$812600b3@news.nntpaccess.com>, "Chris"
> <chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in
> > message news:109j66a3r1fc3a8@corp.supernews.com...
>
> > > Until Adam posted, I did not know or recall what role
> > > the police
played.
> > > However, I was considering that USAC suspended Mercer
> > > for a year, so I didn't know whether USAC factored in
> > > legal charges/findings or
suspended
> > > Mercer on their own accord. I still don't know whether
> > > legal charges factored in USAC's decision, but very
> > > seldom in major sports are legal charges filed when a
> > > player is fined/suspended. Did Bill Romanowski
have
> > > charges filed against him when he beat up his teammate
> > > in the locker
room
> > > last year?
> >
> > I dunno, but in hockey the police have been getting
> > involved in some of
the
> > really outrageous attacks. Considering that assault and
> > battery is
within
> > the rules (ok, you go to the penalty box) I would say
> > that counts for something. It seems to me that in most
> > cases where I thought the local prosecution should get
> > involved, they have. IOW I do not see any scary trends
> > where athletes are not able to get justice.
>
> The essential difference is that of consent. The general
> theory is that when you participate in a sporting
> activity, you consent to the norms of that sport. So if
> you race a bike, you implicitly consent to incidental
> contact in the pack, and if you play hockey, you consent
> to normal levels of bodychecking and fisticuffs.
>

But that is in the midst of the competitive event. However,
As far as I know, even for the most egregious attack in recent history
in the NHL, Todd Bertuzzi was not charged with violating any
laws when he punched Steve Moore in the back of the head,
drove him face first into the ice, and broke his neck.

I cited Romanowski's actions specifically because they were
in a non competition situation, like Myerson/Mercer and
Sundt/Gaggioli.