Why do people like VDB - Page 3

Kenny wrote:

>
> This is bull****. He doesn't have a ****ty attitude and the comparison with Eminem sure is crazy.
> I don't remember VDB stuffing his nose with cocaine.

Then you snored too much yarself.

VDB's current problem is coca-cola, sez lefevere. he already looked slimmer than 2 weeks ago though.

Carl Sundquist wrote:

>
> Are Belgians reluctant to venture an opinion on Boonen, or is he viewed as having less talent
> than VDB?

YES. Museeuw et alii have played their part stressing VDB is "the biggest talent they ever
experienced" etc. The talent seen in VDB appeals to something very deep in the collective soul. I
think when he attacked the Eikenberg Saturday many many people were breathless on their couch.
Every sparkle is perceived as sublime beauty. its like he IS cycling or something. And as ever
squandering talent adds to mythology. And Belgian fans are pretty indifferent towards doping
stories anyway.

Kenny wrote:

> The most impressive thing I ever saw of VDB was during Liege-Bastogne-Liege 1999. On La Redoute,
> the most difficult climb of the day, Bartoli tried to make a break. VDB takes Bartoli's rear
> wheel, rides next to him, looks Bartoli in the eyes and sprints awy from Michele. Bartoli was
> mental totally broken and we never saw him back in the race that year. VDB won with great
> superiority.

People seem very influenced by what commentators say at particular moments. Yes, that was a
spectacular moment, but people forget VDB didnt get very far away there. Of course he flew over the
hills that day, and won easily after an attack on the last climb. But that La redoute moment was no
way decisive. And who says Bartoli was *mentally totally broken* ? Michel Wuyts, a commentator who
never raced himself. I never heard Bartoli requiring therapy though. Of course Bartoli then realized
somebody was stronger that day, but he has won races when not being the strongest before. The La
Redoute moment is a bit over-hyped, Kenny.

groeten

"Kenny" <gelei2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Danny Callen" <dancall@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> > I'm thinking cycling fans are starting to think all great cyclist are on drugs and that it just
> > so happens that VDB gets caught. It almost seems
like
> > a "so whatt" atititude. He reminds me of Eminem, lots of talent with a ****ty atitude. I can
> > respect his talent but I have no respect for a
****ty
> > atitude.
>
> This is bull****. He doesn't have a ****ty attitude and the comparison with Eminem sure is crazy.
> I don't remember VDB stuffing his nose with cocaine.

****ty atitude may have been the wrong term. Would "bad apple" be more appropriate? I don't remember
Eminem stuffing his nose with cocaine either. The comparison is more to do with the bad boy
presence..

Danny Callen

Bart <bart@pandora.be> wrote in message news:<3E6367A3.F4080684@pandora.be>...
> Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
> And Belgian fans are pretty indifferent towards doping stories anyway.

Who says that? We aren't more or less indifferent than other fans. That's crazy talk, man. Let me
tell you that Lefevere signing Virenque didn't result in joy or whatever. Many people were very
sceptical about that act.

Bart <bart@pandora.be> wrote in message news:<3E636AC3.F982AF24@pandora.be>...
> Kenny wrote:
>
> > The most impressive thing I ever saw of VDB was during Liege-Bastogne-Liege 1999. On La Redoute,
> > the most difficult climb of the day, Bartoli tried to make a break. VDB takes Bartoli's rear
> > wheel, rides next to him, looks Bartoli in the eyes and sprints awy from Michele. Bartoli was
> > mental totally broken and we never saw him back in the race that year. VDB won with great
> > superiority.
>
> People seem very influenced by what commentators say at particular moments. Yes, that was a
> spectacular moment, but people forget VDB didnt get very far away there. Of course he flew over
> the hills that day, and won easily after an attack on the last climb. But that La redoute moment
> was no way decisive. And who says Bartoli was *mentally totally broken* ? Michel Wuyts, a
> commentator who never raced himself. I never heard Bartoli requiring therapy though. Of course
> Bartoli then realized somebody was stronger that day, but he has won races when not being the
> strongest before. The La Redoute moment is a bit over-hyped, Kenny.
>
I understand what you say. It's true that moment wasn't decisive. But i was really talking about the
brutalness in the act, showing his domination, saying he's the best that day. I've never seen anyone
doing that so clearly. About the "mentally broken" state of Michele, it's obviously a guess. But the
fact is that we didn't see Michele, two times winner of LBL, back that day. I really believe that
has to do with him being crushed by VDB. Being the nr 1 of the world it should have been hard being
humiliated by a four year younger rider on the track where he dominated earlier.

groeten terug ----> www.johanmuseeuw.tk

"Kenny" <gelei2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > The most impressive thing I ever saw of VDB was during Liege-Bastogne-Liege 1999. On La
> > > Redoute, the most difficult climb of the day, Bartoli tried to make a break. VDB takes
> > > Bartoli's rear wheel, rides next to him, looks Bartoli in the eyes and sprints awy from
> > > Michele. Bartoli was mental totally broken and we never saw him back in the race that year.
> > > VDB won with great superiority.
> >
> >
> I understand what you say. It's true that moment wasn't decisive. But i was really talking about
> the brutalness in the act, showing his domination, saying he's the best that day. I've never seen
> anyone doing that so clearly.

But it's nothing compared to THE LOOK.

"Kenny" <gelei2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> About the "mentally broken" state of Michele, it's obviously a guess. But the fact is that we
> didn't see Michele, two times winner of LBL, back that day.

Someone whispers in my ear Bartoli was 4th that day. That's not bad after a mental breakdown in the
last hour. Try to get the pictures before your mind... a final with Bartolei & Bettini, Boogerd and
Den Bakker....

Bart clearly knows his race facts.

That man knows more than he tells !!

Respect

On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 07:24:25 GMT, "Kurgan Gringioni"
<kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

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>>
>> >
>> >VdB's Doggie has not been bringing his "A" game for several years now.
>> >
>>
>> OK, I am not sure what you mean by that, but VDB seems to have done a great ride in Het Volk
>> today, supporting Museew and Bettini. I think that the other teams must have felt pretty stupid
>> after Lefevre had his riders attack.
>
>
>
>I meant the part that you snipped out:
>
>the palmares on his home page says:
>
>1995: 7 wins
>1996: 15 wins
>1997: 8 wins
>1998: 12 wins
>1999: 8 wins
>2000: 1 win
>2001: 0 wins
>2002: 0 wins
>
>

So, are you suggesting that VDB's ride in Het Volk is not valid?

I still am not sure what you meant by that. I did not snip your post out of malice, but I just don't
see what that has to do with his (drug-free, apparently) performance in Het Volk, and his potential
for the spring races.

sr

"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
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> But it's nothing compared to THE LOOK.

Didn't you hear? The look didn't MEAN anything. He was just looking back to see who was there.

not my opinion.

Is VDB firing on all syringes again?

Kirby.

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> On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 07:24:25 GMT, "Kurgan Gringioni"
> <kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >

> >news:lb636vses1eedftp4maconh41d9rhi9suf@4ax.com...
> >>
> >> >
> >> >VdB's Doggie has not been bringing his "A" game for several years now.
> >> >
> >>
> >> OK, I am not sure what you mean by that, but VDB seems to have done a great ride in Het Volk
> >> today, supporting Museew and Bettini. I think that the other teams must have felt pretty stupid
> >> after Lefevre had his riders attack.
> >
> >
> >
> >I meant the part that you snipped out:
> >
> >the palmares on his home page says:
> >
> >1995: 7 wins
> >1996: 15 wins
> >1997: 8 wins
> >1998: 12 wins
> >1999: 8 wins
> >2000: 1 win
> >2001: 0 wins
> >2002: 0 wins
> >
> >
>
> So, are you suggesting that VDB's ride in Het Volk is not valid?
>
> I still am not sure what you meant by that. I did not snip your post out of malice, but I just
> don't see what that has to do with his (drug-free, apparently) performance in Het Volk, and his
> potential for the spring races.
>
> sr

news:329d6v0rljh4aievf3476e5svmbbm8vfua@4ax.com...
>
> I still am not sure what you meant by that. I did not snip your post out of malice, but I just
> don't see what that has to do with his (drug-free, apparently) performance in Het Volk, and his
> potential for the spring races.

I said that he hasn't been bringing his "A" game for several years now.

The palmares from his own website backs up that contention.

Even if he wins a Classic this year, I'll think of him first as "The Clenbutorol was for my dog".