Why do people like VDB

HGH and steroids in his house, and he claims its for his dog, making a joke of the whole thing.
Instead of being ostracized, people think he's a hero.

win (if there are any).

Tafi, perhaps.

[QUOTE] posted by Hold My Beer An [/i]
[B]HGH and steroids in his house, and he claims its for his dog, making a joke of the whole thing.
Instead of being ostracized, people think he's a hero.


VDB might not be your favourite, but and thats fair enough, buthe is just one of many.

Generally, the cycling media has "allowed" the hero worship to continue with specific stars they pander to.

Despite the level of preparation they have been found to use.

At what point do you think they (media & public) would act in a " moral vein " by ostracising cyclists and teams whom are shown to have indulged in "preparations and special budgets" ?

They wont.

Not when money is involved.

EPREX <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
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> At what point do you think they (media & public) would act in a " moral vein " by ostracising
> cyclists and teams whom are shown to have indulged in "preparations and special budgets" ?

Well, I think that many others are just as doped as Vandenbroucke, even riders who have never been
caught. Those others are lucky, but I'm not going to reward them for that by turning them into
paragons of virtue as opposed to Vandenbroucke. As long as they've done their suspensions, they're
all equally guilty (or innocent) and deserving of respect as far as I care.

>
> They wont.
>
> Not when money is involved.

Most of the public does not receive money from Vandenbroucke, nor do they really care about the
money he makes. Money is no factor in the public's support of him. Ofcourse, teh media wants to sell
its papers and broadcastings, but that can also be done by sending out stories about doping, which
are popular.

Jonathan.

Because VDB is still the greatest talent to come out of Belgium in recent years,,,,with or
without drugs.

Phil

"Phil Stone" <phil.stone@pandora.be> wrote in message
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> Because VDB is still the greatest talent to come out of Belgium in recent years,,,,with or
> without drugs.
>
> Phil

Are Belgians reluctant to venture an opinion on Boonen, or is he viewed as having less
talent than VDB?

Carl Sundquist <carlsun@cox-internet.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
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>
> "Phil Stone" <phil.stone@pandora.be> wrote in message
> news:vla8a.105517$Jd.9343@afrodite.telenet-ops.be...
> > Because VDB is still the greatest talent to come out of Belgium in
recent
> > years,,,,with or without drugs.
> >
> > Phil
>
> Are Belgians reluctant to venture an opinion on Boonen, or is he viewed as having less talent
> than VDB?

It's a bit early to say. His palmares doesn't yet come close to that of VDB.

"hold my beer and watch this..." <trdina@dejazzd.com> wrote in message
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>

> HGH and steroids in his house, and he claims its for his dog, making a
joke
> of the whole thing. Instead of being ostracized, people think he's a
hero.

guy
> win (if there are any).

People are fascinated with talent. Plus, VdB comes from a family with a long cycling pedigree.

My personal opinion is that he is a Tool. Any rider without his Talent and with his flaws would have
been out of the sport long ago. I'll save my admiration for someone who gets the most out of what
talent they have.

Remember when VdB's Dog talked of winning the Tour de France? It seems a lifetime ago.

"hold my beer and watch this..." <trdina@dejazzd.com> wrote in message
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> HGH and steroids in his house, and he claims its for his dog, making a joke of the whole thing.
> Instead of being ostracized, people think he's a hero.

> win (if there are any).
>

Because people like the bad-ass. They vicariously enjoy bad boy antics like taking speed, smashing
up cars and making life hell for team bosses, especially if the guy still comes through with good
performances. Randy Moss, Jose Canseco, Allen Iverson, VDB, those guys kick ass.

-Amit

"Amit" <amit@physics.utoronto.ca> wrote in message
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> "hold my beer and watch this..." <trdina@dejazzd.com> wrote in message
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EPO,
> > HGH and steroids in his house, and he claims its for his dog, making a
joke
> > of the whole thing. Instead of being ostracized, people think he's a
hero.

guy
> > win (if there are any).
> >
>
> Because people like the bad-ass. They vicariously enjoy bad boy antics like taking speed, smashing
> up cars and making life hell for team bosses, especially if the guy still comes through with good
> performances. Randy Moss, Jose Canseco, Allen Iverson, VDB, those guys kick ass.

I wouldn't criticize VdB if he was a troublemaker and still brought his "A" game to the competition
like Allen Iverson does.

His difficulties have led to him not bringing it. He had phenomenal results in his first few years
as a pro and has wallowed ever since.

OTOH, his "the clenbutorol was for my dog" excuse was one of the best lines ever. It would make a
good t-shirt (only in America no one would know what it meant). It would be fun to get that printed
and wear it around Belgium.

On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 02:30:29 GMT, "Kurgan Gringioni"
<kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I wouldn't criticize VdB if he was a troublemaker and still brought his "A" game to the competition
>like Allen Iverson does.

You obviously wrote this before Het Volk. Who is Allen Iverson?

>
>OTOH, his "the clenbutorol was for my dog" excuse was one of the best lines ever. It would make a
>good t-shirt (only in America no one would know what it meant). It would be fun to get that printed
>and wear it around Belgium.
>

Almost as funny as USPS' claim that the drugs were for a "non-cycling member". Or that they forgot
to register thier rider's use of corticosteriods for a "saddle sore".

Of course, nobody here in "America" would get that, either.

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

> People are fascinated with talent. Plus, VdB comes from a family with a long cycling pedigree.

I think he threw the family history thing out the window when he he walked away from his Lotto
contract while Jean-Luc was director. You are right about the fascination with talent. I have little
respect for VDB, but the image of his ride in the '99 Ronde van Vlaanderen remains one of the most
beautiful in cycling for me. He recovered from a crash to chase down Museeuw and Van Petegem in the
final kilometers. Maybe if he'd won that sprint, things would have gone differently. I'm not saying,
he wouldn't have been a cheater, or would have grown more character, just that things might have
gone differently.

Bret

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> On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 02:30:29 GMT, "Kurgan Gringioni"
> <kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >I wouldn't criticize VdB if he was a troublemaker and still brought his
"A"
> >game to the competition like Allen Iverson does.
>
> You obviously wrote this before Het Volk. Who is Allen Iverson?

VdB's Doggie has not been bringing his "A" game for several years now.

the palmares on his home page says:

1995: 7 wins
1996: 15 wins
1997: 8 wins
1998: 12 wins
1999: 8 wins
2000: 1 win
2001: 0 wins
2002: 0 wins

Amit wrote:

> Because people like the bad-ass. They vicariously enjoy bad boy antics like taking speed, smashing
> up cars and making life hell for team bosses, especially if the guy still comes through with good
> performances. Randy Moss, Jose Canseco, Allen Iverson, VDB, those guys kick ass.
>
> -Amit

VDB actually looks pretty good compared to those three. They've all been convicted of violent crimes
within the last year. You really admire them? I don't.

Bret

>VdB's Doggie has not been bringing his "A" game for several years now.
>

OK, I am not sure what you mean by that, but VDB seems to have done a great ride in Het Volk today,
supporting Museew and Bettini. I think that the other teams must have felt pretty stupid after
Lefevre had his riders attack.

VDB was an essential part of the attack, perhaps the most important part save Museeuw. VDB can ride
away from almost anybody even now, and the other teams knew that, and covered his attacks. It was
pretty easy for Museeuw and Bettini to cover the threat that everybody knew VDB was.

And, what about that Tom Boonen? Nice ride.

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> >
> >VdB's Doggie has not been bringing his "A" game for several years now.
> >
>
> OK, I am not sure what you mean by that, but VDB seems to have done a great ride in Het Volk
> today, supporting Museew and Bettini. I think that the other teams must have felt pretty stupid
> after Lefevre had his riders attack.

I meant the part that you snipped out:

the palmares on his home page says:

1995: 7 wins
1996: 15 wins
1997: 8 wins
1998: 12 wins
1999: 8 wins
2000: 1 win
2001: 0 wins
2002: 0 wins