Why do my hard earned tax dollars support a bike team?

Hey,

Why does the US federal Government support a bike team in
France? I work hard for my money, and think the taxes I pay
could be better used. What a Boondoggle!

Thanks, Ronde Champ

On 7 Jul 2004 08:58:13 -0700, Ronde Champ <rondechamp@aol.com> wrote:

> Hey,
>
> Why does the US federal Government support a bike team in
> France? I work hard for my money, and think the taxes I
> pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!
>
> Thanks, Ronde Champ

Actually, the US Postal service is entirely run from funds
received from postage. If you don't want your hard earned
money to go to the US Postal team, don't mail anything.

--
Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply

Ronde Champ wrote:

> I work hard for my money

no you don't, you spend most of the day on r.b.r

In article
<152f6cbe.0407070758.11ce6549@posting.google.com>,
rondechamp@aol.com says...
>Hey, Why does the US federal Government support a bike team
>in France? I work hard for my money, and think the taxes I
>pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!

Like any other company, you have to advertise to get more
business. USPS wanted to get more customers in Europe to use
their service, so they sponser a bicycle racing team. For
the money they spend, they get an excellent return on
investment. So they continued to do so until ignorant folks
started to complain.
-------------
Alex

"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message

>For the money they spend, they get an excellent return on
>investment. So they continued to do so until ignorant folks
>started to complain.

Who do you suppose you are talking to?

"Bob in CT" <ctviggen.x@adelphia.net> wrote in message
newspsaryv1eq6snke8@news.snet.sbcglobal.net...
> On 7 Jul 2004 08:58:13 -0700, Ronde Champ
> <rondechamp@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> >
> > Why does the US federal Government support a bike team
> > in France? I work hard for my money, and think the
> > taxes I pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!
> >
> > Thanks, Ronde Champ
>
> Actually, the US Postal service is entirely run from funds
> received from postage. If you don't want your hard earned
> money to go to the US Postal team, don't mail anything.
>
> --
> Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply

Bob, this guy doesn't understand that. He is really not all
there. He spreads so much crap around on this board and for
some reason people reply to him. Best thing to do is put him
on ignore.

Curt

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 21:27:58 GMT, curt <nospam@verizon.net> wrote:

>
> "Bob in CT" <ctviggen.x@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> newspsaryv1eq6snke8@news.snet.sbcglobal.net...
>> On 7 Jul 2004 08:58:13 -0700, Ronde Champ
>> <rondechamp@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hey,
>> >
>> > Why does the US federal Government support a bike team
>> > in France? I work hard for my money, and think the
>> > taxes I pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!
>> >
>> > Thanks, Ronde Champ
>>
>> Actually, the US Postal service is entirely run from
>> funds received from postage. If you don't want your hard
>> earned money to go to the US Postal team, don't mail
>> anything.
>>
>> --
>> Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply
>
> Bob, this guy doesn't understand that. He is really not
> all there. He spreads so much crap around on this board
> and for some reason people reply to him. Best thing to do
> is put him on ignore.
>
> Curt
>
>

Ahhhh, ok. It's been a while since I came here, because the
place is like the MFW boards -- they eat you alive
sometimes, usually over nothing.

--
Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply

I doubt most of the D3 pro's make enough to be taxed anyway.
Sure they take the taxes out, but you should get that all
back. If not, then you should spend time talking to an
accountant and less talking about all the money you're
losing, because technically, just being a pro bike racer in
the U.S. is losing you money.

CH

rondechamp@aol.com (Ronde Champ) wrote in message
news:<152f6cbe.0407070758.11ce6549@posting.google.com>...
> Hey,
>
> Why does the US federal Government support a bike team in
> France? I work hard for my money, and think the taxes I
> pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!
>
> Thanks, Ronde Champ

Bob in CT <ctviggen.x@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:<opsaryv1eq6snke8@news.snet.sbcglobal.net>...
> On 7 Jul 2004 08:58:13 -0700, Ronde Champ
> <rondechamp@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> >
> > Why does the US federal Government support a bike team
> > in France? I work hard for my money, and think the
> > taxes I pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!
> >
> > Thanks, Ronde Champ
>
> Actually, the US Postal service is entirely run from funds
> received from postage. If you don't want your hard earned
> money to go to the US Postal team, don't mail anything.

DUDE -- you're being trolled.

Dude...........

>Like any other company, you have to advertise to get more
>business. USPS wanted to get more customers in Europe to
>use their service

I wonder how you could use the USPS services in Europe???
Each country has it s own postal services, most of the time
a Federal Agency or close, so the advertisement reason is
void for Europe. Works only for USA

And this post, ladies and gentlemen, beautifully illustrates
WHY USPS is not going to be sponsoring the team anymore.

As for the reason why they did it in the first place, there
is a reason. In 1998, USPS was launching a new service,
Global Priority Mail, which would guarantee delivery to
most major cities in the world in 3 days. This service was
being launched not only here but overseas, where they
sought to pick up some business currently monopolized by
DHL. They felt that sponsoring a bicycle team that would
race around the world would increase the visibility of the
US Postal Service.

It's not a crazy idea, and by the way, it did work. But they
feel they've accomplished as much as they can market-share-
wise, plus all the pressure from groups that think it's a
waste of money, and so they decided to pull the plug.

Other point -- the US Postal Service receives NOT ONE RED
CENT of tax dollars. It fully supports itself via the sale
of postage stamps and other shipping services. It is a
corporation, albeit one owned by the US Government, but does
not receive tax money to support its operations -- those are
purely financed by its revenues from the sale of stamps and
other delivery fees.

Regards,

Joe Hurley

> In article
> <152f6cbe.0407070758.11ce6549@posting.google.com>,
> rondechamp@aol.com says...
> >Hey, Why does the US federal Government support a bike
> >team in France? I work hard for my money, and think the
> >taxes I pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!

On 7 Jul 2004 08:58:13 -0700, rondechamp@aol.com (Ronde Champ) wrote:

>Hey,
>
> Why does the US federal Government support a bike team in
> France? I work hard for my money, and think the taxes I
> pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!
>
>Thanks, Ronde Champ

At the risk of being trolled, especially in light of this
being my annual post to rbr, I offer this (which I'm sure
many have seen). It

collective noses clean...

------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------

The Lake Worth Herald, in a July 2003 editorial wrote,
"Shouldn’t the post office be directing its efforts into
more efficient mail delivery, more cost savings within the
organization, better ways to deal with for-profit
competitors and leave the heavy duty sponsorships to private
businesses which can properly track the effectiveness of
said campaigns?"

In 2002 the newspapers filed three Freedom of Information
(FOIA) requests with the USPS for expenses of postal
executives attending the Tour de France race in Paris.

The newspapers learned that more than a dozen postal
executives spent tens of thousands of dollars on first class
airfare, luxury hotel suites and in Paris’ finest
restaurants.

"On July 3, 2001, then Vice President of Sales Gail
Sonnenberg, and her husband Robert Maddern, manager of post
office operations in the Washington DC metropolitan area,
flew to Geneva, one day after the USPS raised postal rates."

"During less than one month, she expensed nearly $20,000
to the post office for two roundtrip flights and $1,020 a
day hotel charges among other expenditures," the
newspapers reported.

Asked by the Herald/Observers at the time if he paid his own
hotel and expenses while in Europe, Maddern responded, "It’s
none of your business."

http://www.postalwatch.org/news2004/..._24_au_revoir-
_lance.htm

C.

"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:cchmff$o7$2@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
> In article
> <152f6cbe.0407070758.11ce6549@posting.google.com>,
> rondechamp@aol.com says...
> >Hey, Why does the US federal Government support a bike
> >team in France? I work hard for my money, and think the
> >taxes I pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!
>
> Like any other company, you have to advertise to get more
> business. USPS wanted to get more customers in Europe to
> use their service, so they
sponser
> a bicycle racing team. For the money they spend, they get
> an excellent return on investment. So they continued to do
> so until ignorant folks started to complain.
> -------------
> Alex
>

I would like to see some proof that they are getting bang
for their buck in terms of promotion and advertising. I
doubt they are.

But USPS does not pay taxes on the building or land it owns
as does FedEx and UPS which is a big business advantage.
Even with the monopoly it has, it cannot make money. Some
people should be fired and the postal carriers union is part
of the blame.

Can anyone show proof that sponsoring a bike team increased
their market share?

"Joseph Hurley" <jhurley1886@charter.net> wrote in message
news:10eph5mjbl1t4a6@corp.supernews.com...
> And this post, ladies and gentlemen, beautifully
> illustrates WHY USPS is
not
> going to be sponsoring the team anymore.
>
> As for the reason why they did it in the first place,
> there is a reason.
In
> 1998, USPS was launching a new service, Global Priority
> Mail, which would guarantee delivery to most major cities
> in the world in 3 days. This service was being launched
> not only here but overseas, where they sought
to
> pick up some business currently monopolized by DHL. They
> felt that sponsoring a bicycle team that would race around
> the world would increase the visibility of the US Postal
> Service.
>
> It's not a crazy idea, and by the way, it did work. But
> they feel they've accomplished as much as they can market-share-
> wise, plus all the pressure from groups that think it's a
> waste of money, and so they decided to pull the plug.
>
> Other point -- the US Postal Service receives NOT ONE RED
> CENT of tax dollars. It fully supports itself via the sale
> of postage stamps and
other
> shipping services. It is a corporation, albeit one owned
> by the US Government, but does not receive tax money to
> support its operations -- those are purely financed by its
> revenues from the sale of stamps and
other
> delivery fees.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe Hurley
>
> > In article
> > <152f6cbe.0407070758.11ce6549@posting.google.com>,
> > rondechamp@aol.com says...
> > >Hey, Why does the US federal Government support a bike
> > >team in France? I work hard for my money, and think the
> > >taxes I pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!

"Sam" <marathonman@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
> news:cchmff$o7$2@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
> > In article
> > <152f6cbe.0407070758.11ce6549@posting.google.com>,
> > rondechamp@aol.com says...
> > >Hey, Why does the US federal Government support a bike
> > >team in France? I work hard for my money, and think the
> > >taxes I pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!
> >
> > Like any other company, you have to advertise to get
> > more business.
USPS
> > wanted to get more customers in Europe to use their
> > service, so they
> sponser
> > a bicycle racing team. For the money they spend, they
> > get an excellent return on investment. So they continued
> > to do so until ignorant folks started to complain.
> > -------------
> > Alex
> >
>
> I would like to see some proof that they are getting bang
> for their buck
in
> terms of promotion and advertising. I doubt they are.
>
>

My God you're an idiot. The fastest rider and the fastest
team in the biggest race in the world! And you want proof?
If you don't think thats good promotion and advertising then
you tell us what is.

Marty