Muscle growth enhancment question - Page 2

> I get headaches during weeks where I ride 350 miles during the week. Near the end of the week a
> ride of 50 miles gives me headaches at rest. I take vitamins and eat more than I need but still
> feel hungry. That is the reason I ask about the weight gainers or muscle enhancers to supplement
> my riding. Is there anyone taking these and do they help?
>
I don't know much about protein supplements but I sure got enough headaches because of sinus
infection and I did not have any other simptoms.

On 5/22/03 7:25 PM, in article
1868b466.0305221825.776516f1@posting.google.com, "Serge" <orchestrahouse@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> I get headaches during weeks where I ride 350 miles during the week. Near the end of the week a
>> ride of 50 miles gives me headaches at rest. I take vitamins and eat more than I need but still
>> feel hungry. That is the reason I ask about the weight gainers or muscle enhancers to supplement
>> my riding. Is there anyone taking these and do they help?
>>
> I don't know much about protein supplements but I sure got enough headaches because of sinus
> infection and I did not have any other simptoms.

I do not think these supplements have "headaches" as a side effect.....

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In article <wtfza.985039$S_4.1000887@rwcrnsc53>, NS> <instepcco2@attbi.com> wrote:

> 200 to 250 miles a week when you are unemployed really isn't that hard to do...and believe me I
> know speed comes with saddle time but I don't push it. My goal isn't speed as much as it is
> endurance. I don't race... I'm 43 yrs old. If anything I'd like to get 125 to 150 mile rides on
> certain days. Good information...but not totally applicable.

> >Fifthly, racing in criteriums will bring speed to you that you had no idea you were capable of.

> Good information... I'll think about it, but my age and knees are a factor.

Uh, you can ride that many miles in a week and you are almost exactly the average age of all racers
over 35 years old and you can't race?

-WG

age 44 and training 8-12 hours/week

On 5/22/03 8:01 PM, in article 220520031958370619%warren@usvh.com, "warren" <warren@usvh.com> wrote:

> In article <wtfza.985039$S_4.1000887@rwcrnsc53>, NS> <instepcco2@attbi.com> wrote:
>
>> 200 to 250 miles a week when you are unemployed really isn't that hard to do...and believe me I
>> know speed comes with saddle time but I don't push it. My goal isn't speed as much as it is
>> endurance. I don't race... I'm 43 yrs old. If anything I'd like to get 125 to 150 mile rides on
>> certain days. Good information...but not totally applicable.
>
>>> Fifthly, racing in criteriums will bring speed to you that you had no idea you were capable of.
>
>> Good information... I'll think about it, but my age and knees are a factor.
>
> Uh, you can ride that many miles in a week and you are almost exactly the average age of all
> racers over 35 years old and you can't race?
>
> -WG
>
> age 44 and training 8-12 hours/week

First - I would not feel real great putting on the mileage while being unemployed?!? I would rather
be concentrating on GETTING A JOB!... DOH!!

One of my best seasons came not when I was doing the "mega miles" but when I did the "twice a week"
training crits with the big boys (aka fast guys)

There are no jobs here. Thanks to the republican voodoo economics. I have money saved... And I look
all of the time. Still looking... still riding...I can do both... I don't race because I don't want
to.... I was a cat 4 racer a few years ago, but with the volatility of my position (job) I find I do
not have weekends most of the time. So until I know a schedule... I prefer to just ride..

BTW... I appreciate your attempt at belittling me steve...

Jobs do come first... Anyone can find a job, I have a career niche, and I do it well and I get paid
well for doing it. thank you very much!

NS

On Fri, 23 May 2003 13:13:31 GMT, NS> wrote:
>There are no jobs here. Thanks to the republican...

Something economics. Anyone? Anyone? Something-D-O-O economics. Anyone? Voodoo economics.

>>
> Part of my problem on Protein intake is that I am a Vegetarian. I do eat Tofu like it's going out
> of style.
>
Just because you're a vegetarian doesn't automatically qualify you for a protein intake problem.
Lentils and rice, pasta sauce with TVP, soy milk are all great sources of protein. Unless you're
vegan, milk and eggs are also good. Don't believe the hype. Eaters of flesh consume far more protein
than they need. The protein needs of vegetarians are adequately met with balanced diet.

"NS>" <instepcco2@attbi.com> wrote in message
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> There are no jobs here. Thanks to the republican voodoo economics.

Thanks to the stock market bubble.

A lot of money went into the dot coms, most of whom never produced profit.

If there is a lot of capital investment with no profit (in some cases, no revenue at all) to be
shown, those resources have essentially gone up in smoke. The Piper has to be paid and the economy
is paying him.

The only thing voodoo about what W. Bush is doing is tax cuts to benefit the wealthy being promoted
as otherwise. The bulk of those tax cuts haven't even kicked in yet.

> Not really true, the percentage of fat burned goes down but total fat
burned
> increases.

You might be right, but try it out. In basic level training I come close to 50% fat burning. My
personal results as follows:
A) 1:40 min basic level training, total abt. 1000 kcal, 45% fat = 450 kcal
B) 1:40 min racing, total abt. 2000 kcal, 15% fat =300 kcal At least what indicates my Polar M52.
The basic level I could even hold on for another 2 hours but racing with full power surely not.
And a "racing style" training won't do to much good for health and body. BTW the 1700 kcal not
burning from fat should be eaten, besides the ratio of abt. 2000 kcal what average body needs. In
case A) need to eat only 550 kcal more. Kay

"Kay Thuernagel" <panteranoir@poczta.onet.pl> wrote in message
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> > Not really true, the percentage of fat burned goes down but total fat
> burned
> > increases.
>
> You might be right, but try it out. In basic level training I come close to 50% fat burning. My
> personal
results
> as follows:
> A) 1:40 min basic level training, total abt. 1000 kcal, 45% fat = 450 kcal
> B) 1:40 min racing, total abt. 2000 kcal, 15% fat =300 kcal At least what indicates my Polar M52.

I wonder what the accuracy of the Polar devices are?

> The basic level I could even hold on for another 2 hours but racing with full power surely not.
> And a "racing style" training won't do to much good for health and body.

Probably just get you in the best physical shape of your life, lower your weight, percentage of body
fat, lower blood lipids, blood pressure, strengthen you heart, etc.

The latest Surgeon General's report boils down to: The more intense the exercise, the better it
is for you.

Hawke

>BTW the 1700 kcal not burning from fat should be eaten, besides the ratio of abt. 2000 kcal what
>average body needs. In case A)
need
> to eat only 550 kcal more. Kay

"Hawke" <Hawke@attbi.com> wrote in message news:7KUza.1010331$S_4.1022366@rwcrnsc53...
> I wonder what the accuracy of the Polar devices are?

heartbeat rate during exercise. Results compared checks in trials with several thousands of
americans. Total accuracy is not so important. Just wanted to show the relation between the
different kind of exersices BASIC and HARD CORE.

> The latest Surgeon General's report boils down to: The more intense the exercise, the better it is
> for you.

INTENSE should be defined more in detail. The higher power output (give all you can) during training
the better results, I do not agree. Every year in with begin of the season you can find in road
biking magazines tips for training up to complete training schedules. And they describe it in the
way I wrote. Kay

"Kay Thuernagel" <panteranoir@poczta.onet.pl> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Hawke" <Hawke@attbi.com> wrote in message news:7KUza.1010331$S_4.1022366@rwcrnsc53...
> > I wonder what the accuracy of the Polar devices are?

> heartbeat rate during exercise. Results compared checks in trials with several thousands of
> americans. Total accuracy is not so important. Just wanted to show the relation between the
> different kind of exersices BASIC and HARD CORE.

The differences between high and low energy workouts is as I stated: "You burn a higher percentage
of fat at lower exercise levels but burn more total fat at higher exercise levels.

There is no easy way to lose weight, hard work is the only way if you want to keep it off
and be fit.

> > The latest Surgeon General's report boils down to: The more intense the exercise, the better it
> > is for you.
>
> INTENSE should be defined more in detail. The higher power output (give
all
> you can) during training the better results, I do not agree. Every year in with begin of the
> season you can find in road biking magazines tips for training up to complete training schedules.
> And they describe it in the
way
> I wrote. Kay

Sure the bicycling magazines tout their training programs and they attempt to keep them within the
capabilities of most couch potatoes, which is their primary readership base.

A person that is not in good physical condition needs to start out slowly and work up to more
intense workouts. Which is what the bicycling magazine programs do.

But to continue to get fitter, lose weight, benefit the heart, and cardiorespiratory system, keep
the weight off, at least an hour a day minimum, 5 days a week of 85 - 95% max heart rate activity
is required.

It is a lot of hard work and requires dedication, but their is no easy way to be fit throughout
your life.

Hawke

Hawke or Dashi Toshii <Toshii@Jpn.com> wrote:

> A person that is not in good physical condition needs to start out slowly and work up to more
> intense workouts. Which is what the bicycling magazine programs do.

> But to continue to get fitter, lose weight, benefit the heart, and cardiorespiratory system, keep
> the weight off, at least an hour a day minimum, 5 days a week of 85 - 95% max heart rate activity
> is required.

Whoa there cowboy. Intensity is good, but that is 5 days of 1 hour riding at threshold. Basically 5
days of 1 hour time trials. Maybe a little _too_ intense. For example, if your max HR was 190 that
would be riding around 170 (162-180 range) steady for an hour five days a week. Presumably overkill
even for racing training; definitely not a minimum requirement for losing weight.

> It is a lot of hard work and requires dedication, but their is no easy way to be fit throughout
> your life.

> Hawke

BTW, Sparhawk, Hawke, Toshi, why do you keep changing your nym when your writing style is so easily
identifiable? Not to mention using one screen name and signing with another, like this post.

Benjamin Weiner wrote:
> Hawke or Dashi Toshii <Toshii@Jpn.com> wrote:
>
>
>>A person that is not in good physical condition needs to start out slowly and work up to more
>>intense workouts. Which is what the bicycling magazine programs do.
>
>
>>But to continue to get fitter, lose weight, benefit the heart, and cardiorespiratory system, keep
>>the weight off, at least an hour a day minimum, 5 days a week of 85 - 95% max heart rate activity
>>is required.
>
>
> Whoa there cowboy. Intensity is good, but that is 5 days of 1 hour riding at threshold. Basically
> 5 days of 1 hour time trials. Maybe a little _too_ intense. For example, if your max HR was 190
> that would be riding around 170 (162-180 range) steady for an hour five days a week. Presumably
> overkill even for racing training; definitely not a minimum requirement for losing weight.

It is excessive, but not necessarily at lactate threshold, which varies based on conditioning.

>>It is a lot of hard work and requires dedication, but their is no easy way to be fit throughout
>>your life.

Sure there is. Just grow to enjoy exercise and/or hard work. Takes most of the "hard" part
out of it.

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In article <3ED2E4B6.2090502@attbi.com>, Raptor <me@attbi.com> wrote:

> Benjamin Weiner wrote:
> > Hawke or Dashi Toshii <Toshii@Jpn.com> wrote:

> >>It is a lot of hard work and requires dedication, but their is no easy way to be fit throughout
> >>your life.
>
> Sure there is. Just grow to enjoy exercise and/or hard work. Takes most of the "hard" part
> out of it.

Exactly. Life without exercise? Now that would be hard.

-WG