Muscle growth enhancment question - Page 3

"Benjamin Weiner" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote in message news:3ed27d1d$1@news.ucsc.edu...
> Hawke or Dashi Toshii <Toshii@Jpn.com> wrote:
>
> > A person that is not in good physical condition needs to start out
slowly
> > and work up to more intense workouts. Which is what the bicycling
magazine
> > programs do.
>
> > But to continue to get fitter, lose weight, benefit the heart, and cardiorespiratory system,
> > keep the weight off, at least an hour a day minimum, 5 days a week of 85 - 95% max heart rate
> > activity is required.
>
> Whoa there cowboy. Intensity is good, but that is 5 days of 1 hour riding at threshold. Basically
> 5 days of 1 hour time trials. Maybe a little _too_ intense. For example, if your max HR was 190
> that would be riding around 170 (162-180 range) steady for an hour five days a week. Presumably
> overkill even for racing training; definitely not a minimum requirement for losing weight.

Racers train for up to 6 hours per day, one hour at LT is not too much.

> > It is a lot of hard work and requires dedication, but their is no easy
way
> > to be fit throughout your life.
>
> > Hawke
>
> BTW, Sparhawk, Hawke, Toshi, why do you keep changing your nym when your writing style is so
> easily identifiable? Not to mention using one screen name and signing with another, like
> this post.

Because I can!

Dashi

"Raptor" <me@attbi.com> wrote in message news:3ED2E4B6.2090502@attbi.com...
> Benjamin Weiner wrote:
> > Hawke or Dashi Toshii <Toshii@Jpn.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>A person that is not in good physical condition needs to start out
slowly
> >>and work up to more intense workouts. Which is what the bicycling
magazine
> >>programs do.
> >
> >
> >>But to continue to get fitter, lose weight, benefit the heart, and cardiorespiratory system,
> >>keep the weight off, at least an hour a day minimum, 5 days a week of 85 - 95% max heart rate
> >>activity is required.
> >
> >
> > Whoa there cowboy. Intensity is good, but that is 5 days of 1 hour riding at threshold.
> > Basically 5 days of 1 hour time trials. Maybe a little _too_ intense. For example, if your max
> > HR was 190 that would be riding around 170 (162-180 range) steady for an hour five days a
week.
> > Presumably overkill even for racing training; definitely not a minimum requirement for losing
> > weight.
>
> It is excessive, but not necessarily at lactate threshold, which varies based on conditioning.
>
> >>It is a lot of hard work and requires dedication, but their is no easy
way
> >>to be fit throughout your life.
>
> Sure there is. Just grow to enjoy exercise and/or hard work. Takes most of the "hard" part
> out of it.

I do, there is almost nothing that I enjoy more, still hard work through.

Dashi

Dashi Toshii wrote:
> "Benjamin Weiner" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote in message news:3ed27d1d$1@news.ucsc.edu...
>
>>Hawke or Dashi Toshii <Toshii@Jpn.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>A person that is not in good physical condition needs to start out
>>
> slowly
>
>>>and work up to more intense workouts. Which is what the bicycling
>>
> magazine
>
>>>programs do.
>>
>>>But to continue to get fitter, lose weight, benefit the heart, and cardiorespiratory system, keep
>>>the weight off, at least an hour a day minimum, 5 days a week of 85 - 95% max heart rate activity
>>>is required.
>>
>>Whoa there cowboy. Intensity is good, but that is 5 days of 1 hour riding at threshold. Basically
>>5 days of 1 hour time trials. Maybe a little _too_ intense. For example, if your max HR was 190
>>that would be riding around 170 (162-180 range) steady for an hour five days a week. Presumably
>>overkill even for racing training; definitely not a minimum requirement for losing weight.
>
>
> Racers train for up to 6 hours per day, one hour at LT is not too much.

For a racer or other competitive athletes. For those merely wishing "to get fitter, lose weight,
benefit the heart, and cardiorespiratory system, keep the weight off," more intense and/or longer
duration exercise is not necessary. Except perhaps for the "to get fitter" part.

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Dashi Toshii wrote:
> "Raptor" <me@attbi.com> wrote in message news:3ED2E4B6.2090502@attbi.com...
>
>>Benjamin Weiner wrote:
>>
>>>Hawke or Dashi Toshii <Toshii@Jpn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>It is a lot of hard work and requires dedication, but their is no easy
>>>
> way
>
>>>>to be fit throughout your life.
>>>
>>Sure there is. Just grow to enjoy exercise and/or hard work. Takes most of the "hard" part
>>out of it.
>
>
> I do, there is almost nothing that I enjoy more, still hard work through.
>
> Dashi

The key to enjoying a high level of fitness is to find an activity that you enjoy doing. I've
realized over recent years that I simply enjoy playing or working hard. I like so many activities
that it can't be just the activities themselves I enjoy.

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"Raptor" <me@attbi.com> wrote in message news:3ED39CD5.6040308@attbi.com...
> Dashi Toshii wrote:
> > "Benjamin Weiner" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote in message news:3ed27d1d$1@news.ucsc.edu...
> >
> >>Hawke or Dashi Toshii <Toshii@Jpn.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>A person that is not in good physical condition needs to start out
> >>
> > slowly
> >
> >>>and work up to more intense workouts. Which is what the bicycling
> >>
> > magazine
> >
> >>>programs do.
> >>
> >>>But to continue to get fitter, lose weight, benefit the heart, and cardiorespiratory system,
> >>>keep the weight off, at least an hour a day minimum, 5 days a week of 85 - 95% max heart rate
> >>>activity is required.
> >>
> >>Whoa there cowboy. Intensity is good, but that is 5 days of 1 hour riding at threshold.
> >>Basically 5 days of 1 hour time trials. Maybe a little _too_ intense. For example, if your max
> >>HR was 190 that would be riding around 170 (162-180 range) steady for an hour five days a
week.
> >>Presumably overkill even for racing training; definitely not a minimum requirement for losing
> >>weight.
> >
> >
> > Racers train for up to 6 hours per day, one hour at LT is not too much.
>
> For a racer or other competitive athletes. For those merely wishing "to get fitter, lose weight,
> benefit the heart, and cardiorespiratory system, keep the weight off," more intense and/or longer
> duration exercise is not necessary. Except perhaps for the "to get fitter" part.

Not really true according to the latest report that I read, can't find it now so I can't quote it.

Basically what it said was: "That the previously recommended 30 minute 3 times a week exercise
program is good to get you started but to realize health benefits, such as permanent weight loss,
lower blood pressure, healthy cardiorespiratory system, etc., you will need to exercise at a level
that makes your heart "race" for 1 hour 5 times a week". They called this "intense" exercise.

I'll see if I can find the article.

Dashii
>
> --
> --
> Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall "I'm not proud. We really haven't done everything we
> could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP
> in charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.

Dashi Toshii wrote:
> "Raptor" <me@attbi.com> wrote in message news:3ED39CD5.6040308@attbi.com...
>
>>Dashi Toshii wrote:
>>
>>>"Benjamin Weiner" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote in message news:3ed27d1d$1@news.ucsc.edu...
>>>>Presumably overkill even for racing training; definitely not a minimum requirement for losing
>>>>weight.
>>>
>>>
>>>Racers train for up to 6 hours per day, one hour at LT is not too much.
>>
>>For a racer or other competitive athletes. For those merely wishing "to get fitter, lose weight,
>>benefit the heart, and cardiorespiratory system, keep the weight off," more intense and/or longer
>>duration exercise is not necessary. Except perhaps for the "to get fitter" part.
>
>
> Not really true according to the latest report that I read, can't find it now so I can't quote it.
>
> Basically what it said was: "That the previously recommended 30 minute 3 times a week exercise
> program is good to get you started but to realize health benefits, such as permanent weight loss,
> lower blood pressure, healthy cardiorespiratory system, etc., you will need to exercise at a level
> that makes your heart "race" for 1 hour 5 times a week". They called this "intense" exercise.
>
> I'll see if I can find the article.
>
> Dashii

I'll be interested to see it. I agree that 30X3 low intensity is more wishful thinking by the
proponents and their victims, but what do they mean by your heart "racing?"

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charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.

"Raptor" <me@attbi.com> wrote in message news:3ED44677.5080101@attbi.com...
> Dashi Toshii wrote:
> > "Raptor" <me@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:3ED39CD5.6040308@attbi.com...
> >
> >>Dashi Toshii wrote:
> >>
> >>>"Benjamin Weiner" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote in message news:3ed27d1d$1@news.ucsc.edu...
> >>>>Presumably overkill even for racing training; definitely not a minimum requirement for losing
> >>>>weight.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Racers train for up to 6 hours per day, one hour at LT is not too much.
> >>
> >>For a racer or other competitive athletes. For those merely wishing "to get fitter, lose weight,
> >>benefit the heart, and cardiorespiratory system, keep the weight off," more intense and/or
> >>longer duration exercise is not necessary. Except perhaps for the "to get fitter" part.
> >
> >
> > Not really true according to the latest report that I read, can't find
it
> > now so I can't quote it.
> >
> > Basically what it said was: "That the previously recommended 30 minute 3 times a week
> > exercise program is good to get you started but to realize health benefits, such as permanent
> > weight loss, lower blood pressure, healthy cardiorespiratory system, etc., you will need to
> > exercise at a
level
> > that makes your heart "race" for 1 hour 5 times a week". They called
this
> > "intense" exercise.
> >
> > I'll see if I can find the article.
> >
> > Dashii
>
> I'll be interested to see it. I agree that 30X3 low intensity is more wishful thinking by the
> proponents and their victims, but what do they mean by your heart "racing?"

It looks like the newspaper took some liberties with or received seperate information about the
Surgeon General's report other than I have been able to find.

But here is a start:

http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/sgr/ataglan.htm

Dashii

Dashi Toshii wrote:
> "Raptor" <me@attbi.com> wrote in message news:3ED44677.5080101@attbi.com...
>>I'll be interested to see it. I agree that 30X3 low intensity is more wishful thinking by the
>>proponents and their victims, but what do they mean by your heart "racing?"
>
>
> It looks like the newspaper took some liberties with or received seperate information about the
> Surgeon General's report other than I have been able to find.
>
> But here is a start:
>
> http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/sgr/ataglan.htm
>
> Dashii

That's a nice link. Thanks!

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Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall "I'm not proud. We really haven't done everything we
could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP in
charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.