Lance a Classy Champ

Not only the physical/mental fortitude he showed today (and has shown all tour), but the pat on the
back to Chavanel as he went by him on the climb was a classy gesture. Jeff

In <itUSa.8763$g9.8567@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com>, J Jones wrote:
> Not only the physical/mental fortitude he showed today (and has shown all tour), but the pat on
> the back to Chavanel as he went by him on the climb was a classy gesture.

That's what I thought at first, but then I kind of wondered if it was a bit patronizing. "Maybe next
time, son." On the other hand, maybe it was just the best way for L to show his support without
encountering a language barrier.

--
Herbie J. Famous Curator

Herbie Jurvanen wrote:
>
> In <itUSa.8763$g9.8567@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com>, J Jones wrote:
> > Not only the physical/mental fortitude he showed today (and has shown all tour), but the pat on
> > the back to Chavanel as he went by him on the climb was a classy gesture.
>
> That's what I thought at first, but then I kind of wondered if it was a bit patronizing. "Maybe
> next time, son." On the other hand, maybe it was just the best way for L to show his support
> without encountering a language barrier.
>
> --
> Herbie J. Famous Curator

As one who was off the front (in a charity ride) and got chased down by Armstrong, I have to say
that there is a certain thrill to being caught by him. In the Tour de France, when you see the Yellow Jersey on
attack come up, you know you're seeing history go by. Of course I have no idea how Chavanel felt. I
think it was a sympathetic gesture.

language barrier? lance speaks french "Herbie Jurvanen" <hj@pp.htv.fi> wrote in message
news:slrnbho6pm.a4t.hj@claire.two-wugs.net...
> In <itUSa.8763$g9.8567@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com>, J Jones wrote:
> > Not only the physical/mental fortitude he showed today (and has shown
all
> > tour), but the pat on the back to Chavanel as he went by him on the
climb
> > was a classy gesture.
>
> That's what I thought at first, but then I kind of wondered if it was a
bit
> patronizing. "Maybe next time, son." On the other hand, maybe it was just the best way for L to
> show his support without encountering a language barrier.
>
>
> --
> Herbie J. Famous Curator

OK, so what is the proper/classy/respectful thing to do in that situation? How about "nice riding Silvain - come with me if you can." That's probably something like what he said. It didn't look like a "pat on the back" to me.

In article <slrnbho6pm.a4t.hj@claire.two-wugs.net>, Herbie Jurvanen <hj@pp.htv.fi> wrote:

> In <itUSa.8763$g9.8567@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com>, J Jones wrote:
> > Not only the physical/mental fortitude he showed today (and has shown all tour), but the pat on
> > the back to Chavanel as he went by him on the climb was a classy gesture.
>
> That's what I thought at first, but then I kind of wondered if it was a bit patronizing. "Maybe
> next time, son." On the other hand, maybe it was just the best way for L to show his support
> without encountering a language barrier.

Or maybe it was just a "hold your line, I'm coming by and I don't want to hit the pavement
again". <g

sorry, this was sent to the wrong group.

My apologies.

"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:EHVSa.6227$KZ.2972510@news1.news.adelphia.net...
> Fellow Freds -
>
>
> For the Tour pool, this is sort of a bad day, because the team of Speedo seems to have things
> nearly locked up. Double Sausage, even if he
maintains
> his jersey bonuses, doesn't look likely to catch unless there are some
major
> abandons or crashes tomorrow.
>
> For the Tour itself, this is a great day for us Americans. What a great race!
>
>
> time bonus Team
> 1:00 Double Sausage
> 1:35 Speedo :15 42 Wells
> 1:35 Goofy :45 Man with 2 Women's Names :35 Nutty Professor
>
>
>
> Speedo 1. 25. 55 - 95.00 = - 0. 09. 05 Double Sausage Lover 3.0 9.0 2 - 60.00 = 2.0 9.0 2 Nutty
> Professor 4. 46. 30 - 35.00 = 4. 11. 30 Goofy 6. 36. 45 - 95.00 = 5.0 1. 45 Forty-Two Wells 5. 54.
> 58 - 15.00 = 5. 39. 58 Man w/ 2 Women's Names 8. 11. 39 - 45.00 = 7. 26. 39
>
>
> Double Sausage Lover 3.0 9.0 2 ARMSTRONG 0.0 0.0 0 BASSO 0.0 8.0 8 JAKSCHE 0. 24. 59 BOTCHAROV 0.
> 45. 34 AZEVEDO 0. 49. 32 MERCADO 1.0 0. 49 GOUBERT 1.0 0. 50 BROCHARD 1.0 7. 28 MONCOUTI 1. 34.0 3
> COOKE 3. 25. 37 LEIPHEIMER 59. 59. 59 REBELLIN 59. 59. 59
>
> Speedo 1. 25. 55 ULLRICH 0.0 1.0 7 VINOKOUROV 0.0 2. 45 MAYO 0.0 5. 25 MOREAU 0. 11. 12 BELTRAN 0.
> 19. 34 LELLI 0. 45. 52 ASTARLOZA 0. 59. 42 PARRA 1. 45. 19 CASERO 1. 54.0 9 FREIRE 2. 30. 30
> EDALEINE 3. 10.0 2 GONZALEZ GALDEANO 3. 11.0 6
>
> Forty-Two Wells 5. 54. 58 MANCEBO 0. 16.0 5 ROUS 0. 26. 50 NIERMANN 0. 58. 29 CHAURREAU 1.0 1. 17
> GUTIERREZ J 1. 32. 52 BLAUDZUN 1. 39. 25 SERRANO 1. 46. 13 ZABEL 3.0 7. 53 MC EWEN 3. 36. 32
> BELOKI 59. 59. 59 MAZZOLENI 59. 59. 59 CAUCCHIOLI 59. 59. 59
>
> Goofy 6. 36. 45 VIRENQUE 0. 22.0 0 LAISEKA 0. 24. 19 RUBIERA 0. 27. 29 HALGAND 1. 25. 33 SACCHI 1.
> 57. 22 SIMONI 2.0 0.0 2 LASTRAS 2.0 9. 51 VASSEUR 2. 21. 48 GONZALEZ AITOR 59. 59. 59 GARZELLI 59.
> 59. 59 PETACCHI 59. 59. 59 DEN ANDR 59. 59. 59
>
> Man w/ 2 Women's Names 8. 11. 39 SASTRE 0. 16. 12 BOOGERD 1.0 4. 16 HERAS 1.0 7. 58 GUERINI 1.
> 12.0 1 BOTERO 2. 11.0 8 LANDIS 2. 20.0 4 AERTS 2. 35. 43 O'GRADY 2. 40. 13 MC GEE 3. 19. 27 VAN
> BON 3. 23. 42 MERCKX 59. 59. 59 KIRSIPUU 59. 59. 59
>
> Nutty Professor 4. 46. 30 ZUBELDIA 0.0 5. 16 HAMILTON 0.0 9.0 2 DUFAUX 0. 28. 57 NARDELLO 1. 14.
> 19 CHAVANEL 1. 24. 16 MILLAR 1. 24. 40 ROGERS 1. 35. 32 PELLIZOTTI 2. 17. 17 VOGONDY 2. 49. 30
> ETXEBARRIA DAVID 59. 59. 59 DI LUCA 59. 59. 59 MONTGOMERY 59. 59. 59
>

One more thing -- I'm not sure if this was mentioned. He didn't even salute after he got over the
line (I just saw the RAI RealVideo). He's saving his salute for Paris. Today was no victory. It was
a step towards victory.

That's classy, IMHO.

Dan

I'll wager that Lance's tres mediocre french (This is not a criticism, just a statement of fact,
it's actually gotten worse since last year. He's getting more confused as his Spanish gets better, a
common occurrence.) when he's riding full out up the last climb of the day is next to non-existant.
I ride a bike in Paris everyday, and it wasn't until I was speaking way better than Lance does now
that I could easily converse in French on the bike while cranking it out, especially just a phrase
as passed someone without a context was very tough.

"Herbie Jurvanen" <hj@pp.htv.fi> a écrit dans le message de
news:slrnbho94e.akl.hj@claire.two-wugs.net...
> In <kmVSa.112515$ye4.83514@sccrnsc01>, GeneralNollidge wrote:
> > language barrier? lance speaks french
>
> Good call, old bean.
>

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When they interview Chavanel on French TV, they asked him what Armstrong said as he passed. Chavanel
said (with a smile), "Nothing, he didn't have time".

"DiabloScott" <NOSPAMdiabloscott@terra.es> a écrit dans le message de
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> David Ryan wrote:
> > Herbie Jurvanen wrote:
> > >
> > > In <itUSa.8763$g9.8567@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com>, J Jones wrote:
> > > > Not only the physical/mental fortitude he showed today (and has shown all tour), but the
> > > > pat on the back to Chavanel as he went by him on the climb was a classy gesture.
> > >
> > > That's what I thought at first, but then I kind of wondered if it
was
> > > a bit patronizing. "Maybe next time, son." On the other hand, maybe
it
> > > was just the best way for L to show his support without encountering
a
> > > language barrier.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Herbie J. Famous Curator
> > As one who was off the front (in a charity ride) and got chased down
by
> > Armstrong, I have to say that there is a certain thrill to being
caught
> > by him. In the Tour de France, when you see the Yellow Jersey on attack come up, you know you're seeing
> > history go by. Of course I have no idea how Chavanel felt. I think it was a sympathetic
> > gesture.
>
>
>
> OK, so what is the proper/classy/respectful thing to do in that situation? How about "nice riding
> Silvain - come with me if you can." That's probably something like what he said. It didn't look
> like a "pat on the back" to me.
>
>
>
> --
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>
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Armstrong speaks French quite well.

M.

"Herbie Jurvanen" <hj@pp.htv.fi> wrote in message news:slrnbho6pm.a4t.hj@claire.two-wugs.net...
> In <itUSa.8763$g9.8567@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com>, J Jones wrote:
> > Not only the physical/mental fortitude he showed today (and has shown
all
> > tour), but the pat on the back to Chavanel as he went by him on the
climb
> > was a classy gesture.
>
> That's what I thought at first, but then I kind of wondered if it was a
bit
> patronizing. "Maybe next time, son." On the other hand, maybe it was just the best way for L to
> show his support without encountering a language barrier.
>
>
> --
> Herbie J. Famous Curator

DiabloScott <NOSPAMdiabloscott@terra.es> writes:

> David Ryan wrote:
> > Herbie Jurvanen wrote:
> > >
> > > In <itUSa.8763$g9.8567@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com>, J Jones wrote:
> > > > Not only the physical/mental fortitude he showed today (and has shown all tour), but the
> > > > pat on the back to Chavanel as he went by him on the climb was a classy gesture.
> > >
> > > That's what I thought at first, but then I kind of wondered if it was a bit patronizing.
> > > "Maybe next time, son." On the other hand, maybe it was just the best way for L to show his
> > > support without encountering a language barrier.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Herbie J. Famous Curator
> > As one who was off the front (in a charity ride) and got chased down by Armstrong, I have to
> > say that there is a certain thrill to being caught by him. In the Tour de France, when you see the Yellow
> > Jersey on attack come up, you know you're seeing history go by. Of course I have no idea how
> > Chavanel felt. I think it was a sympathetic gesture.
>
>
>
> OK, so what is the proper/classy/respectful thing to do in that situation? How about "nice riding
> Silvain - come with me if you can." That's probably something like what he said. It didn't look
> like a "pat on the back" to me.

Before we had "The Look".

Now we have "The Pat". We can debate its meaning as well.

I interpreted it as "I'm sorry; ordinarily you would have won the stage, but I the only reason I'm
doing this is that I must put time on Ullrich".

Le patron donne; le patron emporte.

-Gerard

I would think it was just a tap to let Chavanel know he was coming past and give him an extra bit of
time to try to get on Lance's wheel.

In article <vhpekkfh83c96f@corp.supernews.com>, Carl Sundquist <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote:

> I would think it was just a tap to let Chavanel know he was coming past and give him an extra bit
> of time to try to get on Lance's wheel.

He could have shouted for that. It looked to me like Chavanal was saying something friendly to Lance
as he approached and Lance patted him as a friendly response. Chavanel was asked what Lance said to
him as he came by and Chavanel replied with a smile that Lance didn't have time to chat right then.

-WG

In article <vhpekkfh83c96f@corp.supernews.com>, Carl Sundquist <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote:

> I would think it was just a tap to let Chavanel know he was coming past and give him an extra bit
> of time to try to get on Lance's wheel.

He could have shouted for that. It looked to me like Chavanal was saying something friendly to Lance
as he approached and Lance patted him as a friendly response. Chavanel was asked what Lance said to
him as he came by and Chavanel replied with a smile that Lance didn't have time to chat right then.

-WG