<jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org> wrote:

> Ride bike! Know thine enemy before arming yourself.

Thyself, surely.

James Thomson

In article <hP9gc.58511$Lh2.11968@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
zilla62XSPAM@bellsouth.net says...
>
>
>I need to rebuild a wheel and will need a truing stand. I
>don't generally build wheels but would want to true the
>ones I have. Which would be best?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/37ewh, or http://tinyurl.com/2y83r, or
> http://tinyurl.com/3flq8
>
>The Spin Doctor and the Minoura look very similar in
>design. One mtbr review for the Park tool complains about
>cheap parts in spite of the sturdy frame.

I would not get any of those. I use to own the minoura,
which is the same as the spin doctor. It works ok, but it is
so light weight it moves around too much when working on a
wheel. The park is over priced for what you get, so I would
not bother with it either. Minoura makes another folding
stand that costs the same, or possiblly a bit less, than the
on in the link above. It has a bigger base, so it is more
stable and works as well as that stand.
--------------
Alex

In article <c6134l$gns$8@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
adr5@columbia.edu says...
>In article <hP9gc.58511$Lh2.11968@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
>zilla62XSPAM@bellsouth.net says...
>>I need to rebuild a wheel and will need a truing stand.
>>I don't generally build wheels but would want to true
>>the ones I have. Which would be best?
>>http://tinyurl.com/37ewh, or http://tinyurl.com/2y83r,
>>or http://tinyurl.com/3flq8 The Spin Doctor and the
>>Minoura look very similar in design. One mtbr review for
>>the Park tool complains about cheap parts in spite of
>>the sturdy frame.

>I would not get any of those. I use to own the minoura,
>which is the same as the spin doctor. It works ok, but it
>is so light weight it moves around too much when working on
>a wheel. The park is over priced for what you get, so I
>would not bother with it either. Minoura makes another
>folding stand that costs the same, or possiblly a bit less,
>than the on in the link above. It has a bigger base, so it
>is more stable and works as well as that stand.

Sorry to follow up my own post, but I found a link with
the minoura stand I was referring to. Go to http://www.minoura.jp/index-
et.html and scroll down to the T-817 stand. It is
cheaper too.
-------------
Alex

In article <u21380h2sct118eieu52lccevtl5vjfcqn@4ax.com>,
spamsink@cox.net says...

>What do you think about not using a truing stand at all? In
>The Bicycle Wheel, I got the impression that it's no big
>deal to just use the bicycle as a truing stand, and I
>intend to attempt a wheel build soon.

This is true, but a stand is more convenient.
-------------
Alex

In article <u21380h2sct118eieu52lccevtl5vjfcqn@4ax.com>,
spamsink@cox.net says...
> On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 18:04:43 GMT,
> jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
> >My problem with these stande is that they assume they are
> >standing on a table near eye level. I have a couple of
> >donated stands that can be used standing on the floor
> >where I can drop a wheel in and do a quick tuneup. I
> >don't think I've worked on a wheel on a table except in
> >someone's bicycle shop where the stand was a permanent
> >fixture.
>
> What do you think about not using a truing stand at all?
> In The Bicycle Wheel, I got the impression that it's no
> big deal to just use the bicycle as a truing stand, and I
> intend to attempt a wheel build soon.

I've used that method several times to get wheels halfway
decently trued, but it's more difficult to get that last
little but of wobble out, because it's more difficult to see
exactly where the high spots are against the brake pads than
it would be with a stand and its narrow probes right in
front of you. If 1-2mm is good enough for you, then you
should be fine working on the bike.

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"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:c613gi$gns$10@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
> In article <c6134l$gns$8@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
> adr5@columbia.edu
says...
> >In article
> ><hP9gc.58511$Lh2.11968@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
> >zilla62XSPAM@bellsouth.net says...
> >>I need to rebuild a wheel and will need a truing stand.
> >>I don't generally build wheels but would want to true
> >>the ones I have. Which would be best?
> >>http://tinyurl.com/37ewh, or http://tinyurl.com/2y83r,
> >>or http://tinyurl.com/3flq8 The Spin Doctor and the
> >>Minoura look very similar in design. One mtbr review for
> >>the Park tool complains about cheap parts in spite of
> >>the sturdy frame.
>
> >I would not get any of those. I use to own the minoura,
> >which is the same as the spin doctor. It works ok, but
> >it is so light weight it moves around too much when
> >working on a wheel. The park is over priced for what you
> >get, so I would not bother with it either. Minoura makes
> >another folding stand that costs the same, or possiblly
> >a bit less, than the on in the link above. It has a
> >bigger base, so it is more stable and works as well as
> >that stand.
>
> Sorry to follow up my own post, but I found a link with
> the minoura stand I was referring to. Go to http://www.minoura.jp/index-
> et.html and scroll down to the T-817 stand. It is
> cheaper too.
> -------------
> Alex
>

I have the Minoura Workman Pro, and I agree. Unless it
is secured, it does move around too much. Other than
that, I like it.

What other have said about needing a dishing tool is true...
even if the stand has some sort of self-centering.

HTH

Chris Zacho writes:

>>>> My problem with these stands is that they assume they
>>>> are standing on a table near eye level. I have a couple
>>>> of donated stands that can be used standing on the
>>>> floor where I can drop a wheel in and do a quick
>>>> tuneup. I don't think I've worked on a wheel on a table
>>>> except in someone's bicycle shop where the stand was a
>>>> permanent fixture.

>>> True, but that could be said for other stands too.
>>> and the
>>> S.D. can be permanently mounted, there is even a
>>> predrilled bolt hole in the base for this purpose.

>>> I'm not saying it's the best thing going, but for the
>>> price *and I doubt our poster is in the market for a
>>> $200 T stand). it's got a lot going for it!

>> Can't we just leave the spelling of the title alone? We
>> don't need no steenkin second threads on this subject.

>> You need a newsreader that automatically copies the
>> header of the posting to which you are responding.

> As in the above? I tend to delete the unnecessary
> bandwidth wasting stuff. Sorry if that bothers you.

You may not have noticed it but you initiated into a
thread called:

Which home trueing stand to buy???

from:

Which home truing stand to buy???

>> There are a bunch of these slightly altered subject lines
>> appearing these days.

> I have seen altered posts from many responders, present
> company included. Grow up. Not everybody's newsreader is
> going to be exactly like yours nor meet your precise
> specifications.

No. I mean the title, not the text. See above. I guess you
didn't notice that you started a new thread by responding
with a different spelling of "truing". In my response, I
reverted to the original and the inclusion of your misplaced
posting made it appear seamless... although your response
didn't actually appear under that thread.

>> Please keep it simple and bottom respond so there are no
>> misinterpretations of who said what and when, otherwise
>> its like having the index at the front and the foreword
>> at the back of a book.

> "Bottom respond"? You mean don't top post? Read it again
> Jobst, you obviously missed something. My response IS on
> the bottom, and almost always is, unless the original post
> is simply to long and difficult to "clip" the relevant
> pieces from.

Changing subject spelling and top responses are all part of
misunderstanding how threaded newsreading goes. I also don't
understand how a reply to a thread from:

>>>> He said,
>>> She said.
>> You said

gets changed to:

> > >> He said.
> > > She said.
> > You said.
>etc

That seems to me to take some doing. Fortunately my
newsreader and text editor can fix that in a jiffy, as well
as over- and under-length lines.

Jobst Brandt jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org

jobst brandt wrote:

> Chris Zacho writes:
>> I have seen altered posts from many responders, present
>> company included. Grow up. Not everybody's newsreader is
>> going to be exactly like yours nor meet your precise
>> specifications.
>
> No. I mean the title, not the text. See above. I guess you
> didn't notice that you started a new thread by responding
> with a different spelling of "truing". In my response, I
> reverted to the original and the inclusion of your
> misplaced posting made it appear seamless... although your
> response didn't actually appear under that thread.

It did for me; its References: header was intact. Not that I
think the spelling change was necessary, but threading
should be done by references rather than subject.

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