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"Per Elmsater" <perDOTelmsater@telia.com> wrote:
: Last time I was in the states I was wondering why the Cokes in hamburger restaurants where tasting
: so bad untl I realized it was on tap and had a side taste of chlorine. When I started buying cans
: it was OK again.

the water that goes into those fountain machines is HEAVILY filtered and there is likely no chlorine
in it. they probably mixed it richer than you're used to. coke/pepsi doesn't let you just mix in tap
water. it's a requirement that you filter it and filter it to their spec.

for the record, i rarely drink soda. i just ran across this topic years ago when i was trying to
find the nearest jack in the box to minneapolis (saint louis -- i went to seattle instead).
--
david reuteler reuteler@visi.com

David Reuteler <reuteler@visi.com> wrote in message
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> "Per Elmsater" <perDOTelmsater@telia.com> wrote:
> : Last time I was in the states I was wondering why the Cokes in hamburger restaurants where
> : tasting so bad untl I realized it was on tap and had a side taste of chlorine. When I started
> : buying cans it was OK again.
>
> the water that goes into those fountain machines is HEAVILY filtered and there is likely no
> chlorine in it. they probably mixed it richer than you're used to. coke/pepsi doesn't let you just
> mix in tap water. it's a requirement that you filter it and filter it to their spec.
>
> for the record, i rarely drink soda. i just ran across this topic years ago when i was trying to
> find the nearest jack in the box to minneapolis (saint louis -- i went to seattle instead).

Dear David,

While the differently-mixed soda may be heavily filtered, what about the massive amounts of ice
shoveled into the cup along with it? Could that be the source of Per's palate's dismay?

Carl Fogel

Carl Fogel <carlfogel@comcast.net> wrote:
: While the differently-mixed soda may be heavily filtered, what about the massive amounts of ice
: shoveled into the cup along with it? Could that be the source of Per's palate's dismay?

the ice is (was when i checked) made from the same filtered water as the soda. if you're curious
check the quality of the water from the "water" tab by one of the sodas (pops, cokes, whatever) --
it's of pretty good quality.

(i come from a small soda enclave in a sea of pop).

http://www.popvssoda.com/
--
david reuteler reuteler@visi.com

> Ahh, Mike is in northern CA, which makes London and Tokyo look like
low-rent
> districts. When your home equity automatically increases hundreds of
thousands
> of dollars a year, $5800 for a bicycle (to celebrate, perhaps?) *is*
pocket
> change!

Last I heard Tokyo was still stratospheric compared even to the SF Bay Area. As for home equity
increasing hundreds of thousands of dollars a year... yeah, maybe during the dot-com era, but the
dot-bomb stuff brings a certain amount of reality to the phrase "come the revolution..."

$5800, $4500 or $2500 (the cost of a TREK 5200, one of our most-popular bikes) will *always* be
considered a good chunk of money. Or at least it should be. But if we're to try and put it into
perspective, for $4500 one can buy a bike that is (arguably) one of the very finest available at
any price. For a good many people, that's almost affordable, without having to take out a second
mortgage. On the other hand, if you wanted to buy a car that might be arguably considered one of
the finest available at any price, you'd have to use most of the proceeds from selling your
house to do so.

But, while $4500 might get you (arguably) one of the finest bikes available at any price, the $2500
TREK 5200 is probably 98% of that bike for 56% of the cost. And even a $1000 bike will knock the
socks off just about anything that was available at any price 15 years ago. And, as I discovered on
a recent bike, a young guy on an entry-level $500 road bike can put somebody on a $4500 bike to
shame in a hurry!

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

"Matt O'Toole" <matt@deltanet.com> wrote in message news:EFNub.58576$n6.5646@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
>
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:7RMub.11415$Cu6.2082@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com...
>
> > > POCKET CHANGE????
> > >
> > > You call $5800 bucks pocket change???
> > >
> > No, I call $4499 pocket change. Where'd you get the $5800 figure?
> >
> > Besides, I did say a *lot* of pocket change! Including tax, it would
come
> > to 19,484 quarters plus a couple other odd coins. Brings new meaning to
the
> > phrase "deep pockets."
>
> Ahh, Mike is in northern CA, which makes London and Tokyo look like
low-rent
> districts. When your home equity automatically increases hundreds of
thousands
> of dollars a year, $5800 for a bicycle (to celebrate, perhaps?) *is*
pocket
> change!
>
> Matt O.

David Reuteler <reuteler@visi.com> wrote in message
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> Carl Fogel <carlfogel@comcast.net> wrote:
> : While the differently-mixed soda may be heavily filtered, what about the massive amounts of ice
> : shoveled into the cup along with it? Could that be the source of Per's palate's dismay?
>
> the ice is (was when i checked) made from the same filtered water as the soda. if you're curious
> check the quality of the water from the "water" tab by one of the sodas (pops, cokes, whatever) --
> it's of pretty good quality.
>
> (i come from a small soda enclave in a sea of pop).
>
> http://www.popvssoda.com/

Dear Dave,

Why can't life be simple? I must live in an "other" region--it's usually called "soda pop" here.

Thanks for the reassurance that what I swig at the restaurant is filtered.

Carl Fogel

Carl Fogel wrote:
> David Reuteler <reuteler@visi.com> wrote in message
> news:<3fc00798$0$41290$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com>...
>> Carl Fogel <carlfogel@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> While the differently-mixed soda may be heavily filtered, what about the massive amounts of ice
>>> shoveled into the cup along with it? Could that be the source of Per's palate's dismay?
>>
>> the ice is (was when i checked) made from the same filtered water as the soda. if you're curious
>> check the quality of the water from the "water" tab by one of the sodas (pops, cokes, whatever)
>> -- it's of pretty good quality.
>>
>> (i come from a small soda enclave in a sea of pop).
>>
>> http://www.popvssoda.com/
>
> Dear Dave,
>
> Why can't life be simple? I must live in an "other" region--it's usually called "soda pop" here.
>
> Thanks for the reassurance that what I swig at the restaurant is filtered.
>
> Carl Fogel

It seems then that no matter how much you filter Dallas water it still tastes like ****

--
Perre

You have to be smarter than a robot to reply.

"Per Elmsater" <perDOTelmsater@telia.com> wrote:
: It seems then that no matter how much you filter Dallas water it still tastes like ****

i'm inclined to believe that.

the worst water i've had in my life was in western south dakota during last summer's drought. oh
god, forget taste, you could smell it on you for days after you showered in it. some ma & pop
towns (population 50, stroke, 25, stroke, 10, stroke 2) were shipping almost all their drinking
water in via UPS.

& that's living.

didn't think to try any soda fountains, tho.
--
david reuteler reuteler@visi.com

David Reuteler <reuteler@visi.com> wrote:

> the ice is (was when i checked) made from the same filtered water as the soda. if you're curious
> check the quality of the water from the "water" tab by one of the sodas (pops, cokes, whatever) --
> it's of pretty good quality.

Also, tap water in the US is widely variable depending on the source of the water. For example, New
York City municipal tap water is generally considered to be pretty good (unless your building has
old nasty pipes) in large part because NYC draws water from an enormous protected watershed in
upstate NY. On the other hand, tap water in the arid Southwest is often not so great, in part
because the sources are often very far away and not pristine to begin with.

Bottled water sometimes tastes better but isn't any better for you than tap water since tap water
usually has more stringent regulations on its content.

> (i come from a small soda enclave in a sea of pop).

> http://www.popvssoda.com/

My brother once did a survey at a summer school which drew students from all over Pennsylvania and
discovered that the pop vs. soda divide runs right along the Appalachians - the Ohio/Mississippi
watershed side is pop, the east coast/Delaware watershed side is soda. You can kind of tell this
from the map at popvssoda.com (which really ought to have included "tonic," pronounced "tawnic," as
an alternative).

But the real question, David, is why you were questing for a Jack-in-the-E.Coli-Box. If it was an
In-and-Out Burger you sought, I could understand.

Ben I'm waiting for "www.hoagievssubvsgrinder.com"

Benjamin Weiner <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
: But the real question, David, is why you were questing for a Jack-in-the-E.Coli-Box. If it was an
: In-and-Out Burger you sought, I could understand.

good question.

this was a few years BV (before vegetarian) .. well, the In & Out thing i can easily explain.
ignorance. i'd never heard of them. as per e-coli, well all i need say is that i'm from minnesota
and we have white castle (ahem). i'm pretty sure i'm immune.

anyway, it was a few years before the whole e-coli thing and they had some new enormous burger
(iirc, the colossus burger**) that had been featured in time magazine. that was all we needed.

basically we were looking for an excuse for a roadtrip.

i once drove to new orleans for halloween from minneapolis on a friday night only to return by
monday morning (that's 1200 miles one-way) to escape the cold .. turns out that while it was 0C in
minneapolis it was -1C in new orleans. to their credit they were still partying in shorts w/ their
shirts off, hanging from balconies, etc. helluva town new orleans.

me & two friends once drove from minneapolis to halifax, nova scotia and back in under 7 days which
is like 4730 miles.

http://www.visi.com/~reuteler/images/receipt.jpg

i'm pretty proud of that one. hertz wasn't so happy about it.

the burger sucked, of course.

** http://www.dietfacts.com/item.asp?itemid=1129

at 1100 calories and 84g of fat it's actually dwarfed by some of its modern contemporaries. at the
time it was the champ.
--
david reuteler reuteler@visi.com