I'am looking for plans for a wood frame building jig. I've checked Henry James site , what they have
is their $3100.00 pro jig, they suggested an out of print book w/ plans any help appreciated. Thanks

maxhr190@cox.net (Joe) writes:

> I'am looking for plans for a wood frame building jig. I've checked Henry James site , what they
> have is their $3100.00 pro jig, they suggested an out of print book w/ plans any help appreciated.

ISTR that the Paterek book had a pattern for a home-made jig, and that's still in print. I've seen
it listed for about $75 on several Web sites. Also, check out Alex's frame buildingpages on
www.phred.org for links and some pictures of his jig.

> I'am looking for plans for a wood frame building jig. I've checked Henry James site , what they
> have is their $3100.00 pro jig, they suggested an out of print book w/ plans any help appreciated.

Keep a fire extinguisher handy. Seriously. I just about burned down the tool shed in back of our
house while brazing a frame in a wooden fixture.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Joe wrote:

> I'am looking for plans for a wood frame building jig. I've checked Henry James site , what they
> have is their $3100.00 pro jig, they suggested an out of print book w/ plans any help
> appreciated. Thanks
Why? Some famous builders in the classic era built wonderful straight bikes without one. I have
personally built frames without a frame plate which were straight and straightforward to build.

The most necessary job for my frame plate is installing S+S couplers. We adjust to the frame, whack
the frame in two and then refit with the couplers in the same plate. (New bikes get the couplers
installed first. Then the tubes are cut to fit)

All bicycle frame alignment references from the BB: Threads are cut on one axis Pilots are screwed
into those threads BB faces are cut exactly perpendicular to the thread axis using the pilots. Main
tubes are aligned with a straightedge from the BB faces Head and seat tubes are parallel to each
other The rear end is in plane with the main tubes.

I'm sure the practical man who's able to build a bicycle frame could make a wooden fixture, but the
effort seems extreme for one frame. And making/keeping a wooden thing straight strikes me as a lot
of work. It is not trivial in steel!

You might also see if a frame shop in your area would let you use theirs briefly. Steel lugged
frames are usually tacked in a plate and then brazed in midair.

Rethinking that, I suppose a fixture would be more important to a tig frame.
--
Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971

>> I'am looking for plans for a wood frame building jig. I've checked Henry James site , what they
>> have is their $3100.00 pro jig, they suggested an out of print book w/ plans any help
>> appreciated.

The book you are looking for is Talbot's "Designing And Building Your Own frameset", long out of
print. But you don't need a jig to build a frame. Phil Brown

"Joe" <maxhr190@cox.net> wrote in message news:2bf062d5.0311301919.270a16d@posting.google.com...
> I'am looking for plans for a wood frame building jig. I've checked Henry James site , what they
> have is their $3100.00 pro jig, they suggested an out of print book w/ plans any help
> appreciated. Thanks

Out of print isn't a problem usually ... there are many places on the net that sell used books, or
NOS stuff. Amazon.com is a good place to start because they link to used book dealers now. I've also
been able to get OOP books through the publisher as well, as they sometimes just have a couple
sitting in a warehouse. I've always been able to get any book I've wanted, and I have a couple of
thousand I think (c:

However, the public library is a great place to get OOP books. They've always been able to find a
rare book for me through the ABLE system of book exchange. Might take a couple of weeks to a month
depending on how rare the book is, and how far the library which has the book is. I suggest being
VERY nice to the head librarian, since locating the book might take some effort but this book seems
popular enough to be readily available at many librarys.

C.Q.C.

maxhr190@cox.net (Joe) wrote in message news:<2bf062d5.0311301919.270a16d@posting.google.com>...
> I'am looking for plans for a wood frame building jig. I've checked Henry James site , what they
> have is their $3100.00 pro jig, they suggested an out of print book w/ plans any help
> appreciated. Thanks

the aforementioned framebuilder's list is a wealth of knowledge. if you have the patience for the
archaic archival search, you will discover far more accumulated knowledge than the paterek and
talbot manuals could come close to.

that said, i agree with earlier posters that a full-on frmae jig is overkill. the folks who invest
the time or money in making or buying these puppies are folks who are in production, or enthusiasts
with excess money

if you are not the latter, the framebuilder's list has plenty of tips on homebuilt jigs,
joint-by-joint jigs, and no jigs. there are also plenty of links to pictures of homebuilt jigs
floating around, including my own cavemanlike example, at

http://www.productionrunone.com/frame/intro.htm

you dont, however, need to go through the rigamarole i went through, as much of what i did is easily
done (to less precise measurements) with more standard tools. when i get around to my next frame, i
plan to fillet braze it with no jig or only the most minimal of setup, as i dont have a machine shop
to tool around in anymore (alas).

and building a frame is worth it, btw.

'luck, anthony

You might do well to puchase some Bicycle research frame blocks. Available in 1"" 1 1/8" 1 1/4",
they allow you to hold a tube tightly without damage-good for filing, machining,etc. If you
choose to jig, they can be laid out on plane to clamp. They establish tube centers 1" off plane.
Good luck! Tom

--
Bruni Bicycles "Where art meets science" brunibicycles.com
410.426.3420
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>
> "Joe" <maxhr190@cox.net> wrote in message news:2bf062d5.0311301919.270a16d@posting.google.com...
> > I'am looking for plans for a wood frame building jig. I've checked Henry James site , what they
> > have is their $3100.00 pro jig, they suggested an out of print book w/ plans any help
> > appreciated. Thanks
>
> Out of print isn't a problem usually ... there are many places on the net that sell used books, or
> NOS stuff. Amazon.com is a good place to start because they link to used book dealers now. I've
> also been able to get
OOP
> books through the publisher as well, as they sometimes just have a couple sitting in a warehouse.
> I've always been able to get any book I've
wanted,
> and I have a couple of thousand I think (c:
>
> However, the public library is a great place to get OOP books. They've always been able to find a
> rare book for me through the ABLE system of
book
> exchange. Might take a couple of weeks to a month depending on how rare
the
> book is, and how far the library which has the book is. I suggest being VERY nice to the head
> librarian, since locating the book might take some effort but this book seems popular enough to be
> readily available at many librarys.
>
> C.Q.C.

> http://www.productionrunone.com/frame/intro.htm

nice job!

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> > I'am looking for plans for a wood frame building jig. I've checked Henry James site , what they
> > have is their $3100.00 pro jig, they suggested an out of print book w/ plans any help
> > appreciated.
>
> Keep a fire extinguisher handy. Seriously. I just about burned down the tool shed in back of our
> house while brazing a frame in a wooden fixture.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Ditto that. Anytime you light up a torch, have an extinguisher handy, or failing that, a full
bucket of water.

Apologies to anyone who hates safety Nazis. I used to be one, but then I became middle-aged.

--
Ted Bennett Portland OR