comparing speedplay x/1, bebop deluxe, eggbeaters triple ti - Page 2

I have 4 sets of SpeedPlay pedals (both Ti and stainless spindle) and absolutely positively cannot tell the difference which set is on my bike while out on a ride. The only time I GOTTA have the Ti SpeedPlays installed is if I were weighing my ride. Other wise they are of no precipitable value over x2's... (BTW, I get my SpeedPlays free).

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Chris <chrismccrearySPAMKILL@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Performance-wise, nothing beats a beater. Best pedal ever; perfect on mtbs, incredible on
> recumbents...though on road, if I can get in and out comfortably, I'm good.

I have a set of 2002 model EggBeaters, and I must say that they've been quite a dissappointment.
I've put about 10,500 kilometres on them on a road bike.

The bearings are bad. It seems like the grease is ejected from the bearings quite fast and as the
bushing wears there is a significant amount of play between the spindle and the pedal body. Newer
models have supposedly better seals on the inside of the pedals, but I don't think the latter
problem has been addressed.

The cleats also wear rapidly, compared to for example Shimano SPD cleats. 5000 km seems to the
absolute maximum, although the manufacturer claims that they should last 800 hours of use.
After 200 hours mine were so worn that the play between the pedal and the cleat was easily felt
while pedaling.

In general, they look neat and are light, and they even work well when new, but in the long run
there must be better deals out there.

-as

botfood@yahoo.com (dan baker) wrote in message
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> "Chris" <chrismccrearySPAMKILL@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > Don't take this as insulting or disrespectful, but are you really the type of rider who'd notice
> > the 81 gram (as per Crank Bros. site) difference between the Triple Ti and the Stainless
> > 'beaters?
> >-------------
> i dunno if I notice it, and it may only make a small difference, but two of the races I do every
> year are hillclimbs where every gram is something to haul up the hill. the cost per gram here
> is a little crazy, I'm thinking I might switch from the performance; but so far they have replaced
> one pair without a problem and I guess i could continue returning them every year. most likely the
> mg bodies and ti spindles are just a little TOO light, and I'll be better with the x2 or bebop.
>
> I am also looking at going two-sided for my tandem, not so much for weight, but to help with
> quicker entry at stoplights.... so I'm still in a quandry.
>

Worrying about < 100 g is odd, IMHO. If you weigh 150 lbs that is less than .1% of your body weight.
What you eat for breakfast will be more significant than the weight savings of Ti spindles on pedals
over stainless spindles. Save your $$$ and get a more reliable component - go stainless.

- rick

Antti Salonen wrote:
> Chris <chrismccrearySPAMKILL@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Performance-wise, nothing beats a beater. Best pedal ever; perfect on mtbs, incredible on
>>recumbents...though on road, if I can get in and out comfortably, I'm good.
>
>
> I have a set of 2002 model EggBeaters, and I must say that they've been quite a dissappointment.
> I've put about 10,500 kilometres on them on a road bike.

While I agree that their longevity leaves quite a lot to be desired, they do perform extremely well
in muddy conditions, way better than anything else I've used.

James

Cipher <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message news:<3fd110bb$1_3@news.chariot.net.au>...
> I have 4 sets of SpeedPlay pedals (both Ti and stainless spindle) and absolutely positively cannot
> tell the difference which set is on my bike while out on a ride. The only time I GOTTA have the Ti
> SpeedPlays installed is if I were weighing my ride. Other wise they are of no precipitable value
> over x2's... (BTW, I get my SpeedPlays free).

You have *20* sets of Speedplay pedals???

cipher-<< . (BTW, I get my SpeedPlays free). >><BR><BR>

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Qui Si Parla Ca

Ya need to pay for your ISP...5 dupe posts...

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Adam Rush

You have *20* sets of Speedplay pedals???

QUOTE]

I wish!

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I've been riding bebops since August and have had Zero problems with them. The deluxe vs the
standard stainless isn't worth the price. I like the fact that the cleat is lower profile than
speedplay. I picked up the cheaper SL ones, and have since landed a set of deluxes with cleats for
$65. The weight difference isn't worth the price difference. Also, I'm 205lbs and feared a Ti axle.
The deluxe weighs in at 240g for the pair with cleats and 180g without cleats. The SL's are 195
grams on my scale for the pedals. Hi-tech Bikes here in SD had them for $160 for the SL's. I think
the biggest advantage is the lower profile cleat, I've got them recessed on some shimano TO-92
touring shoes and they almost don't touch the ground. SPD's were the only cleat that was completely
rescessed but then I gave up float, and single sided spd's like you had are a pain to clip into as
they don't always end up facing up. I'll probably replace the spd's on my wifes bike as she's
learing of clipping in anyway.

Mark On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 07:57:27 -0800, dan baker wrote:

> yup, its christmas time and my second pair of performance ti-mg pedals died within 12 months, with
> pedal body falling apart from screws pulling out of the soft mg... I'm looking at options, and
> most of the threads I found comparing speedplay, bebop, and eggbeater were pretty old so I thought
> I'd ask for comments.
>
> what I've found so far is that the top three are pretty close in total weight when you count the
> cleats, but the eggbeaters are significantly more expensive, although all are sorta ridiculous:
>
> x/1 - 235gr - $249 egg triple ti - 221gr - $349 bebop deluxe - 240gr - $265
>
> my big concerns so far are that the speedplays sound super sensitive to dirt. which may be an
> issue since I have a gravel driveway and would probably pick up a little dirt as I walk around
> before getting on the bike, and a 1/4 dirt road before I get to pavement.
>
> I have read indications that the bebop's can be difficult to get the cleat installed correctly,
> and if you get it wrong you can either release prematurely, or have a really hard time getting
> out. true?
>
> so far, the only bad thing about the eggbeater triple ti is the price. any other comments?
>
> Dan

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I've been using BeBop pedals since June, during that time I've put more than 7000K on them generally
road, but I move them to my cross bike as well.

My results:

I started on SPD pedals, and after a short period of time hated the lack of float and the difficulty
getting in and out of the pedals. I started searching for a better solution. I wanted something with
more float, ease of entry and release and durability in the pedal and cleat.

Speedplay markets a heck of a lot, and they have a pretty good design. The problem I had with their
product was the lifespan of the bearings (which seemed relatively short) the size of their cleat and
its longevity due to walking.

Bebop was sued by Speedplay, additionally I've heard that speedplay tells is vendors if you carry
them, you won't carry us... common practise I hear in the bike business. This has greatly curtailed
their marketing and customer awareness.

I have now used my Bebops in everything from rain, mud, snow and anything else you can throw at
them. They are easy to get in and out of, shed mud and dirt and are an excellent road/cross/mountain
pedal . You know when you've clicked in and out, and best of all, you can rotate out and NOT have to
re-enter, rather you can just rotate back, and you're back in business.

I've never been stuck in them, the float is more than ample yet clickout is very easy. It does not
try to centre your foot, so you can keep any angle you wish. The stack height is very low, which
means you are very close to the axle of the pedal.

The cleats are very durable, I've walked on them many times, and other than being scratched they
look like they have several years of life left in them yet.

The bearings of the pedals are in immaculate condition, no wear, and no exposure to the elements
thanks to excellent seals and ample lubrication (original lube) being in the pedal. I am using the
basic model, and to save 20grams (about the weight of a pair of sunglasses) I am not going to spend
another $150.00 to have the high end version.

In conclusion:

For $120 you get a great pedal that is quite light, very durable and does the job no matter what
the conditions. In my mind, it exceeds speedplay as you're not paying double for their marketing
costs, its all metal and has no moving parts in the cleat mechanism, a great product which I
readily recomend.

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"Chalo" <chumpychump@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> botfood@yahoo.com (dan baker) wrote:
>
> > so far, the only bad thing about the eggbeater triple ti is the price. any other comments?
>
> Ti pedal spindles are a bad idea. Like square taper bottom bracket spindles and threaded 1" fork
> steer tubes, 9/16"-20 threaded pedal spindles are sized to be *just big enough* to work reliably
> if they are made of good quality steel.
>
> Since titanium is weaker and much less stiff than good steel, components that substitute a solid
> Ti part for a solid steel one of equal size may be a little lighter, but are a lot less reliable.
>
> There is some relevant information at http://bebop.com/old%20web%20text/pa...edmata101.html
>
> Chalo Colina

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"JayofMontreal" <winickn0spam@vif.com> wrote

>[Bebops are] a great product which I readily recomend.

I'm equally enthusiastic about my Bebops. Far superior to the Frogs they replaced. Since the Frogs
pretty much sucked for shedding mud/grit I'm pretty sure I would find the Speedplay road pedals
completely unacceptable for that reason, not to mention the monster cleat. I've often wondered why
I've never seen a pair of Bebops for sale in bike shops next to all the Speedplays...

I've not tried the beaters, but I'm so happy with my Bebops that I have absolutely no motivation to
try another pedal system. I like them so well that several years ago I bought a second set just in
case they went out of business.

I think Bebops are the best kept secret in cycling. I looked at coombe, but I couldn't justify 230
for a pedal with their massive cleat.

Now you know why you don't see both at the same place. The lawsuit had the effect of crippling
Bebop's ability to market, which is probably what the objective of the lawsuit was in the
first place.

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> "JayofMontreal" <winickn0spam@vif.com> wrote
>
> >[Bebops are] a great product which I readily recomend.
>
> I'm equally enthusiastic about my Bebops. Far superior to the Frogs they replaced. Since the Frogs
> pretty much sucked for shedding mud/grit I'm pretty sure I would find the Speedplay road pedals
> completely unacceptable for that reason, not to mention the monster cleat. I've often wondered
why
> I've never seen a pair of Bebops for sale in bike shops next to all the Speedplays...
>
> I've not tried the beaters, but I'm so happy with my Bebops that I have absolutely no motivation
> to try another pedal system. I like them so well that several years ago I bought a second set just
> in case they went out of business.
>
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by JayofMontreal
[B]I think Bebops are the best kept secret in cycling.

Based on the posts that I've read and their website, I bought the stainless Bebops sight unseen. My Shimano shoes needed to be trimmed for the pedal spindle ( the Bebop website said I'd need to do this) which took about 5-10 minutes per shoe -- pretty trivial task, but I took my time so that I wouldn't damage the sole of the shoe.
Clicking in is very easy (of course, I thought my old SPDs and my even older Times were easy). Knee surgery convinced me that float was good but I was a little worried about the "riding on ice cubes" feeling that I've seen mentioned. After riding the Bebops I notice the float but there isn't any concern at all about how well I'm clipped in. In other words, there isn't any "riding on ice cubes" feeling.

All in all I'm very pleased. The pedals appear to be well made and are easy to use.
As a side note I bought these from Universal Cycles since there were none available locally. The pedals were shipped immediately and arrived as advertised. Good service.

"artl" wrote
> Originally posted by JayofMontreal I think Bebops are the best kept secret in cycling.
>
> Clicking in is very easy...

Bebops are all I'll ride anymore, but I was reading about the Coombe pedals on roadbikereviews.com
or whatever. Everybody said that they compared favorably to the usual suspects Shimano, Speedplay,
Look, and Time but there was no mention of Bebops at all! I don't get it... Bebops have all the
advantages of the Coombes with the added advantage of easy, second nature clip-in, yet not one
person in15 or 20 reviews mentioned them.

Bebop's low profile in the marketplace is probably due to several reasons:

1. They were involved in a lawsuit with Speedplay see: http://www.ll.georgetown.edu/federal...98opinions/98-
1527.html

2. From what I understand Speedplay tells distributors that if they carry Bebop's they won't be
carrying Speedplay.

The lawsuit is based on the fact that Speedplay says Bebop is infringing on their patent, the suit
was won by Bebop, however, they guy with the most money wins, and I'd imagine that Bebop was
probably injured financiallly (the joy of lawyers).

I have Bebops on all my bikes, and they kick Speedplay's butt. Real bearings instead of the crappy
undersized crap on speedplays. $20 cleats that last forever (even if you walk on pavement).

Its the ultimate proof that marketing works, as speedplay has an inferior product at a much
higher price.

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> "artl" wrote
> > Originally posted by JayofMontreal I think Bebops are the best kept secret in cycling.
> >
> > Clicking in is very easy...
>
> Bebops are all I'll ride anymore, but I was reading about the Coombe
pedals
> on roadbikereviews.com or whatever. Everybody said that they compared favorably to the usual
> suspects Shimano, Speedplay, Look, and Time but
there
> was no mention of Bebops at all! I don't get it... Bebops have all the advantages of the Coombes
> with the added advantage of easy, second nature clip-in, yet not one person in15 or 20 reviews
> mentioned them.
>
>

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