comparing speedplay x/1, bebop deluxe, eggbeaters triple ti

yup, its christmas time and my second pair of performance ti-mg pedals died within 12 months, with
pedal body falling apart from screws pulling out of the soft mg... I'm looking at options, and most
of the threads I found comparing speedplay, bebop, and eggbeater were pretty old so I thought I'd
ask for comments.

what I've found so far is that the top three are pretty close in total weight when you count the
cleats, but the eggbeaters are significantly more expensive, although all are sorta ridiculous:

x/1 - 235gr - $249 egg triple ti - 221gr - $349 bebop deluxe - 240gr - $265

my big concerns so far are that the speedplays sound super sensitive to dirt. which may be an issue
since I have a gravel driveway and would probably pick up a little dirt as I walk around before
getting on the bike, and a 1/4 dirt road before I get to pavement.

I have read indications that the bebop's can be difficult to get the cleat installed correctly,
and if you get it wrong you can either release prematurely, or have a really hard time getting
out. true?

so far, the only bad thing about the eggbeater triple ti is the price. any other comments?

Dan

Even though I'm a loyal seedplay user for ten years, I am still looking for alternatives to my
winter/summer ritual pedal/shoe change (lakemxz300 for winter is spd only). The beebop would solve
the problem but it isn't as dirt friendly as a true dirt pedal. The promising new pedal for me is
the v4 ritchey. It will come in single and double sided spd mount 200/275gm. respectively. Road
should cost under $120. Unlike most dirt pedals, this one is low profile like speedplay and beebop.
Tom-- Bruni Bicycles "Where art meets science" brunibicycles.com
410.426.3420 dan baker <botfood@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:13685ef8.0312040757.20f31d2a@posting.google.com...
> yup, its christmas time and my second pair of performance ti-mg pedals died within 12 months, with
> pedal body falling apart from screws pulling out of the soft mg... I'm looking at options, and
> most of the threads I found comparing speedplay, bebop, and eggbeater were pretty old so I thought
> I'd ask for comments.
>
> what I've found so far is that the top three are pretty close in total weight when you count the
> cleats, but the eggbeaters are significantly more expensive, although all are sorta ridiculous:
>
> x/1 - 235gr - $249 egg triple ti - 221gr - $349 bebop deluxe - 240gr - $265
>
> my big concerns so far are that the speedplays sound super sensitive to dirt. which may be an
> issue since I have a gravel driveway and would probably pick up a little dirt as I walk around
> before getting on the bike, and a 1/4 dirt road before I get to pavement.
>
> I have read indications that the bebop's can be difficult to get the cleat installed correctly,
> and if you get it wrong you can either release prematurely, or have a really hard time getting
> out. true?
>
> so far, the only bad thing about the eggbeater triple ti is the price. any other comments?
>
> Dan

dan I don't think you will like the speedplays any better than your current pedals. I have both the
pedals you mentioned and X1 speedplay. Perhaps you don't have the cleats aligned or something. I
suspect you are an animal as well.

My Performance-Wellgo Ti pedals are still tight and a RAAM rider friend who rides 20,000 miles a
year swears by them. Even if you are having problems you can replace your pedals 3 times for the
price of one set of Speedplays including one set of cleats.

Perhaps you can rethread the loose bolts to the next oversize or just give them to me. Dave Balfour
"dan baker" <botfood@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:13685ef8.0312040757.20f31d2a@posting.google.com...
> yup, its christmas time and my second pair of performance ti-mg pedals died within 12 months, with
> pedal body falling apart from screws pulling out of the soft mg... I'm looking at options, and
> most of the threads I found comparing speedplay, bebop, and eggbeater were pretty old so I thought
> I'd ask for comments.
>
> what I've found so far is that the top three are pretty close in total weight when you count the
> cleats, but the eggbeaters are significantly more expensive, although all are sorta ridiculous:
>
> x/1 - 235gr - $249 egg triple ti - 221gr - $349 bebop deluxe - 240gr - $265
>
> my big concerns so far are that the speedplays sound super sensitive to dirt. which may be an
> issue since I have a gravel driveway and would probably pick up a little dirt as I walk around
> before getting on the bike, and a 1/4 dirt road before I get to pavement.
>
> I have read indications that the bebop's can be difficult to get the cleat installed correctly,
> and if you get it wrong you can either release prematurely, or have a really hard time getting
> out. true?
>
> so far, the only bad thing about the eggbeater triple ti is the price. any other comments?
>
> Dan

botfood@yahoo.com (dan baker) wrote:

> so far, the only bad thing about the eggbeater triple ti is the price. any other comments?

Ti pedal spindles are a bad idea. Like square taper bottom bracket spindles and threaded 1" fork
steer tubes, 9/16"-20 threaded pedal spindles are sized to be *just big enough* to work reliably if
they are made of good quality steel.

Since titanium is weaker and much less stiff than good steel, components that substitute a solid Ti
part for a solid steel one of equal size may be a little lighter, but are a lot less reliable.

There is some relevant information at http://bebop.com/old%20web%20text/pa...edmata101.html

Chalo Colina

"dan baker" <botfood@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:13685ef8.0312040757.20f31d2a@posting.google.com...
> yup, its christmas time and my second pair of performance ti-mg pedals died within 12 months, with
> pedal body falling apart from screws pulling out of the soft mg... I'm looking at options, and
> most of the threads I found comparing speedplay, bebop, and eggbeater were pretty old so I thought
> I'd ask for comments.
>
> what I've found so far is that the top three are pretty close in total weight when you count the
> cleats, but the eggbeaters are significantly more expensive, although all are sorta ridiculous:
>
> x/1 - 235gr - $249 egg triple ti - 221gr - $349 bebop deluxe - 240gr - $265
>
> my big concerns so far are that the speedplays sound super sensitive to dirt. which may be an
> issue since I have a gravel driveway and would probably pick up a little dirt as I walk around
> before getting on the bike, and a 1/4 dirt road before I get to pavement.
>
> I have read indications that the bebop's can be difficult to get the cleat installed correctly,
> and if you get it wrong you can either release prematurely, or have a really hard time getting
> out. true?
>
> so far, the only bad thing about the eggbeater triple ti is the price. any other comments?
>
> Dan

Don't take this as insulting or disrespectful, but are you really the type of rider who'd notice the
81 gram (as per Crank Bros. site) difference between the Triple Ti and the Stainless 'beaters?

If you are a serious competitive racer, the type who can notice a performance difference when
bodyweight fluctuates within a pound of a target zone (as I've heard Lance say he can), then by all
means, go lightest weight possible. If not, save your wallet the hit and ignore possible longevity
problems pointed out in Chalo's post, and go stainless.

Performance-wise, nothing beats a beater. Best pedal ever; perfect on mtbs, incredible on
recumbents...though on road, if I can get in and out comfortably, I'm good.

Chris

dan-<< yup, its christmas time and my second pair of performance ti-mg pedals died within 12 months,
>><BR><BR>

I think Ti spindles are in ther 'bad idea' column.

The weight you add with steel spindles is so minor but the chance of breaking a steel one is
also minor.

Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535 http://www.vecchios.com "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

>x/1 - 235gr - $249 egg triple ti - 221gr - $349 bebop deluxe - 240gr - $265
>

what about speedplay frogs? I like them over the regular speedpay pedals and you can walk in the
shoes. no dirt problems either.

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"Chris" <chrismccrearySPAMKILL@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> Don't take this as insulting or disrespectful, but are you really the type of rider who'd notice
> the 81 gram (as per Crank Bros. site) difference between the Triple Ti and the Stainless 'beaters?
>-------------
i dunno if I notice it, and it may only make a small difference, but two of the races I do every
year are hillclimbs where every gram is something to haul up the hill. the cost per gram here is
a little crazy, I'm thinking I might switch from the performance; but so far they have replaced one
pair without a problem and I guess i could continue returning them every year. most likely the mg
bodies and ti spindles are just a little TOO light, and I'll be better with the x2 or bebop.

I am also looking at going two-sided for my tandem, not so much for weight, but to help with quicker
entry at stoplights.... so I'm still in a quandry.

d

botfood@yahoo.com (dan baker) wrote in message
> x/1 - 235gr - $249 egg triple ti - 221gr - $349 bebop deluxe - 240gr - $265
> ---------------

ah well, I just cant justify the $$, and have decided to have Performance replace the pedals with
the same Ti-Mg spd design (made by wellgo) for free, which retail for $79. seems too crazy to spend
3x-4x the amount for the same weight although I would like to switch to two-sided entry for my
tandem someday.

one tip I learned from a local Wrench (Alchemy Bikeworks in santa fe) is that with these pedals, and
many others, its a good idea to unscrew these little assembly screws, apply a drop of loctite blue,
and reassemble when they are NEW. He mentioned that they also typically have some pretty thick
grease inside and he usually cleans it all out and switches to "slick honey".

rubber-side down,

d

I have 4 sets of SpeedPlay pedals (both Ti and stainless spindle) and absolutely positively cannot tell the difference which set is on my bike while out on a ride. The only time I GOTTA have the Ti SpeedPlays installed is if I were weighing my ride. Other wise they are of no precipitable value over x2's... (BTW, I get my SpeedPlays free).

__________________
"The only thing in this world that gives orders, is balls"
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"Know your limits... Then FK'N Crush'em!!!"

I have 4 sets of SpeedPlay pedals (both Ti and stainless spindle) and absolutely positively cannot tell the difference which set is on my bike while out on a ride. The only time I GOTTA have the Ti SpeedPlays installed is if I were weighing my ride. Other wise they are of no precipitable value over x2's... (BTW, I get my SpeedPlays free).

__________________
"The only thing in this world that gives orders, is balls"
~ Ski-U-Ma! ~
"Know your limits... Then FK'N Crush'em!!!"

I have 4 sets of SpeedPlay pedals (both Ti and stainless spindle) and absolutely positively cannot tell the difference which set is on my bike while out on a ride. The only time I GOTTA have the Ti SpeedPlays installed is if I were weighing my ride. Other wise they are of no precipitable value over x2's... (BTW, I get my SpeedPlays free).

__________________
"The only thing in this world that gives orders, is balls"
~ Ski-U-Ma! ~
"Know your limits... Then FK'N Crush'em!!!"

I have 4 sets of SpeedPlay pedals (both Ti and stainless spindle) and absolutely positively cannot tell the difference which set is on my bike while out on a ride. The only time I GOTTA have the Ti SpeedPlays installed is if I were weighing my ride. Other wise they are of no precipitable value over x2's... (BTW, I get my SpeedPlays free).

__________________
"The only thing in this world that gives orders, is balls"
~ Ski-U-Ma! ~
"Know your limits... Then FK'N Crush'em!!!"

I have 4 sets of SpeedPlay pedals (both Ti and stainless spindle) and absolutely positively cannot tell the difference which set is on my bike while out on a ride. The only time I GOTTA have the Ti SpeedPlays installed is if I were weighing my ride. Other wise they are of no precipitable value over x2's... (BTW, I get my SpeedPlays free).

__________________
"The only thing in this world that gives orders, is balls"
~ Ski-U-Ma! ~
"Know your limits... Then FK'N Crush'em!!!"

I have 4 sets of SpeedPlay pedals (both Ti and stainless spindle) and absolutely positively cannot tell the difference which set is on my bike while out on a ride. The only time I GOTTA have the Ti SpeedPlays installed is if I were weighing my ride. Other wise they are of no precipitable value over x2's... (BTW, I get my SpeedPlays free).

__________________
"The only thing in this world that gives orders, is balls"
~ Ski-U-Ma! ~
"Know your limits... Then FK'N Crush'em!!!"