Metronome a crazy idea?

I'm considering using a metronome on my training rides. The digital device has cadences from 40 to
over 200. Any usefulness in this?

Pat Fleming <nothing@nothing.com> wrote:
: I'm considering using a metronome on my training rides. The digital device has cadences from 40 to
: over 200. Any usefulness in this?

you'll find out how far a metronome can fly outdoors. i can tell you from my younger days playing
cello that the distance indoors is limited only by walls.
--
david reuteler reuteler@visi.com

"Pat Fleming" <nothing@nothing.com> wrote in message
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> I'm considering using a metronome on my training rides. The digital
device
> has cadences from 40 to over 200. Any usefulness in this?
>
Can't say about using it to keep a cadence on a bike ... they're pretty maddening for music IMHO.

If it was me, I would use some cadence CD's. My little brother is in the army, and he gets them all
the time, you know the kind ... "Ain't no use lookin' down, ain't no discharge on the ground".
They're great for running, although I prefer Slayer or Cannibal Corpse myself.

Before this turns into a "no headphones" flame war, when on public streets, I only use one earpiece.

Do a search on Kazaa (Lite) for cadence. Lotsa good stuff available apart from military.

C.Q.C.

Do the cadence CD's offer different incantations at various speeds? (I have no idea myself.) If not,
how would they be useful?

It would seem the virtue of a metronome is that you could set your desired cadence in very fine
increments for training purposes.

Disclaimer: I'm a professional musician in my other life, and do find a metronome valuable. After a
time, you internalize the numbers so you can accurately tell what 80 or 90 or 100 bpm is, without
aid of a metronome.

Joe

"Joseph Kubera" <kuberaj@aol.com> wrote

> Do the cadence CD's offer different incantations at various speeds? (I
have no
> idea myself.) If not, how would they be useful?

Yes. You're right, they would not be useful otherwise. It's meant for a training regime, slow at
first, then faster etc. They're excellent for running and the end result of decades of military
experience.

> It would seem the virtue of a metronome is that you could set your desired cadence in very fine
> increments for training purposes.

I suppose that would be more precise for pure training, but you can also have many songs at
different speeds and skip to them accordingly as well, or burn the training sequence in order ahead
of time. I've been thinking about an MP3 player for just such a purpose. I've made my own "cadence"
CD's for my girlfriend ... she's from India and dances the gurpa, and I mix them on Acid Pro to get
just the right beat, but it would not be too hard to search a persons own library to come up with
songs that match the desired cadence. Again it's only an option, but I've found music, or military
style cadence to be more useful to me since they seem to "inspire", for lack of a better term.

What do you think about the idea of attaching some sort of audible "clicker" to the pedals, to be
even more precise? This would be in addition to the metronome.

C.Q.C.

Joseph Kubera wrote:
> Do the cadence CD's offer different incantations at various speeds? (I have no idea myself.) If
> not, how would they be useful?
>

I've toyed with the idea of computer generated music for a given beat. The idea was to be able to
dial in a beat, or a pattern of beats - say a 30 minute workout, with a 20 minute warmup. Program
the thing to play at 80 bpm for 10 minutes (warmup), then 90 BPM going to 110 BPM over 5 minutes,
then hold 110 BPM for 5 minutes, etc.

Alas, I never found a music generator that I could use as an engine. I did find lots of cool
experimental music that way, but not a simple generator that would lay down a beat and maybe some
random instrument vocies.

I think that there would be a clientele for this, though. If anyone is aware of such an engine, let
me know....

-Kamus

--
What am I on? I'm on my bike, o__ 6 hours a day, busting my ass. ,>/'_ What are you on? --Lance
Armstrong (_)\(_)

>From: "Pat Fleming"

>I'm considering using a metronome on my training rides. The digital device has cadences from 40 to
>over 200. Any >usefulness in this?

(Disclaimer): Some people think that cadence doesn't matter. Some people mock any emphasis on
"spinning".

I found it useful to work on cadence because while winter roller training years ago while living in
the GFN, I noticed that certain metronome- "controlled" cadences were markedly more difficult for me
while remaining in the same gear. IOW, I could go a little "easier" or a little "harder" with less
effort than trying to maintain, say, a 103 rpm cadence v. 98 or 106 (or whatever those detents were
on my old black Bakelight box Seth Thomas electric click/light 'nome.)

Fun and games, a lot harder to concentrate on while dealing with the outdoor world. You can get a
loud 'nome for @$20 (national guitar chain store). Curious? Get one and play with it, enjoy.
--Tom Paterson

"Kamus of Kadizhar" <yan@NsOeSiPnAeMr.com> wrote in message news:br1im2$fkoq$1@news3.infoave.net...
> Joseph Kubera wrote:
> > Do the cadence CD's offer different incantations at various speeds? (I
have no
> > idea myself.) If not, how would they be useful?
> >
>
> I've toyed with the idea of computer generated music for a given beat. The idea was to be able to
> dial in a beat, or a pattern of beats - say a 30 minute workout, with a 20 minute warmup. Program
> the thing to play at 80 bpm for 10 minutes (warmup), then 90 BPM going to 110 BPM over 5 minutes,
> then hold 110 BPM for 5 minutes, etc.
>
> Alas, I never found a music generator that I could use as an engine. I did find lots of cool
> experimental music that way, but not a simple generator that would lay down a beat and maybe some
> random instrument vocies.
>
> I think that there would be a clientele for this, though. If anyone is aware of such an engine,
> let me know....

It's pretty simple to do this by building an MP3 list of songs with the chosen tempo. If you
really want to be precise, there are software modules that allow you to change the tempo over a
pretty large range without affecting the pitch. When I ride a trainer to music (not all that
often) I usually throw together such a list (w/o tempo tweaking) that matches a rough profile,
it's not very hard.

In article <br1im2$fkoq$1@news3.infoave.net>,
Kamus of Kadizhar <yan@NsOeSiPnAeMr.com> wrote:

> Joseph Kubera wrote:
> > Do the cadence CD's offer different incantations at various speeds? (I have no idea myself.) If
> > not, how would they be useful?
> >
>
> I've toyed with the idea of computer generated music for a given beat. The idea was to be able to
> dial in a beat, or a pattern of beats - say a 30 minute workout, with a 20 minute warmup. Program
> the thing to play at 80 bpm for 10 minutes (warmup), then 90 BPM going to 110 BPM over 5 minutes,
> then hold 110 BPM for 5 minutes, etc.
>
> Alas, I never found a music generator that I could use as an engine. I did find lots of cool
> experimental music that way, but not a simple generator that would lay down a beat and maybe some
> random instrument vocies.
>
> I think that there would be a clientele for this, though. If anyone is aware of such an engine,
> let me know....
>
> -Kamus

Apple's Soundtrack sounds like exactly what you want. It's not a music composition program in the
conventional sense: you set the tempo and key of the work, and then insert loops and samples (it
comes with 4000). The program does the dirty work of making them match the key and tempo. The result
is a way for non-musicians to work up some fairly sophisticated original works, mainly for use as
soundtracks against a video of some work.

http://www.apple.com/soundtrack/

--
Ryan Cousineau, rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote in message
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[snip, insert allegro from Vivaldi Op. IV, "La Stravaganza," Concerto No. 1 B flat major, RV 383a,
preferably Neville Marriner]

>
> Apple's Soundtrack sounds like exactly what you want. It's not a music composition program in the
> conventional sense: you set the tempo and key of the work, and then insert loops and samples (it
> comes with 4000). The program does the dirty work of making them match the key and tempo. The
> result is a way for non-musicians to work up some fairly sophisticated original works, mainly for
> use as soundtracks against a video of some work.
>
> http://www.apple.com/soundtrack

Dear Ryan,

Let's not try to run while holding scissors. We might slip on the paste that Ralph Wiggums spilled
on the floor at Springfield Elementary.

[insert theme from "Patton" with echoing trumpets]

When we "insert loops and samples" from a library, using a program to take care of "the key and
tempo," "collage" may be a more "conventional" and accurate description than "fairly sophisticated
original works."

[insert Looney Tunes "Th-th-that's All, Folks" closing]

Carl Fogel

Peter Cole wrote:

> It's pretty simple to do this by building an MP3 list of songs with the chosen tempo. If you
> really want to be precise, there are software modules that allow you to change the tempo over a
> pretty large range without affecting the pitch. When I ride a trainer to music (not all that
> often) I usually throw together such a list (w/o tempo tweaking) that matches a rough profile,
> it's not very hard.
>
>

Really? Where do I find these? Any that work with linux?

Thanks.

--
What am I on? I'm on my bike, o__ 6 hours a day, busting my ass. ,>/'_ What are you on? --Lance
Armstrong (_)\(_)

"Pat Fleming" wrote...
> I'm considering using a metronome on my training rides. The digital
device
> has cadences from 40 to over 200. Any usefulness in this?

I had a racer friend that used to do this on his rollers with an old fashion metronome in the late
1970's. Nothing wrong with it if you have a need or reason to work on cadence Rod Raisanen
Chillicothe, OH

The Reply take out garbage

In article <8bbde8fc.0312081050.60f2d675@posting.google.com>, carlfogel@comcast.net (Carl
Fogel) wrote:

> Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote in message
> news:<rcousine-0E8929.07061908122003@morgoth.sfu.ca>...
>
> [snip, insert allegro from Vivaldi Op. IV, "La Stravaganza," Concerto No. 1 B flat major, RV 383a,
> preferably Neville Marriner]
>
> >
> > Apple's Soundtrack sounds like exactly what you want. It's not a music composition program in
> > the conventional sense: you set the tempo and key of the work, and then insert loops and samples
> > (it comes with 4000). The program does the dirty work of making them match the key and tempo.
> > The result is a way for non-musicians to work up some fairly sophisticated original works,
> > mainly for use as soundtracks against a video of some work.
> >
> > http://www.apple.com/soundtrack
>
> Dear Ryan,
>
> Let's not try to run while holding scissors. We might slip on the paste that Ralph Wiggums spilled
> on the floor at Springfield Elementary.
>
> [insert theme from "Patton" with echoing trumpets]
>
> When we "insert loops and samples" from a library, using a program to take care of "the key and
> tempo," "collage" may be a more "conventional" and accurate description than "fairly sophisticated
> original works."
>
> [insert Looney Tunes "Th-th-that's All, Folks" closing]
>
> Carl Fogel

Oh ye of little faith:

A review, including mention of a similar PC product, ACID:

http://www.digitalpostproduction.com....cgi?/2003/10_
oct/reviews/soundtrack_spot.htm

Okay, it's not Mozart:

http://www.soundtracklounge.com/file...ption_in_C.mp4

(much more available at the site)

Also, none of your suggestions beat the occasional thoughtful use of classical music on the
Simpsons. Two examples come to mind: in an early episode, Homer gets promoted, and is given the key
to the executive washroom. It features a string quartet playing the opening notes of Debussy's
string quartet, Op. 10. Maybe my favourite piece of music.

Another happened when Itchy and Scratchy got boring after Marge protested their violence. The kids
all turn off their TVs and go outside, in a pretty montage set to Beethoven's Pastoral Symphony.

ObBike: rode to work today. Nothing special to report.

--
Ryan Cousineau, rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

"Kamus of Kadizhar" <yan@NsOeSiPnAeMr.com> wrote in message news:br32hq$egg$1@news3.infoave.net...
> Peter Cole wrote:
>
> > It's pretty simple to do this by building an MP3 list of songs with the
chosen
> > tempo. If you really want to be precise, there are software modules that
allow
> > you to change the tempo over a pretty large range without affecting the
pitch.
> > When I ride a trainer to music (not all that often) I usually throw
together
> > such a list (w/o tempo tweaking) that matches a rough profile, it's not
very
> > hard.
> >
> >
>
> Really? Where do I find these? Any that work with linux?

What I use is Winamp ( http://www.winamp.com/ ). As you might surmise from the name, it's a windows
program. It has a published API, so lots of people have written plugins to do all kinds of cool
stuff. The tempo changer is cool, my son used it to slow down a recording of a music piece he was
learning to play.

For Linux, you might try SourceForge, there are so many open source projects that someone must have
done a MP3 player with DSP plugins.

"Pat Fleming" <nothing@nothing.com> wrote in message
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> I'm considering using a metronome on my training rides.

Why would you want a city-dwelling elf on your bike?

Oh, sorry...that's a metro GNOME.

Bill "posted something similar yesterday but it never showed up (for good reason!)" S.