I just replaced some badly worn Michelins for Armadillo Turbo Clinchers. No matter how I adjust them in the bracket, they don't seem to seat without rubbing against the fork of Trek 2200.

Even the Michelin 23's were tight, but these seem taller.
At even a lower PSI of 100, how do I get these 23cm's to fit?

> I just replaced some badly worn Michelins for Armadillo Turbo Clinchers. No matter how I adjust
> them in the bracket, they don't seem to seat without rubbing against the fork of Trek 2200.
>
> Even the Michelin 23's were tight, but these seem taller. At even a lower PSI of 100, how do I get
> these 23cm's to fit?

I don't sell Specialized tires so I can't say how large a 23c Armadillo really is, but if it's
actually larger than a Michelin, then it's not particularly small (since Michelins are among the
larger 23c tires out there).

Where is the tire rubbing? Against the top of the fork? Towards the front or the back? And what
year 2200?

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

vrkelley wrote:

> I just replaced some badly worn Michelins for Armadillo Turbo Clinchers. No matter how I adjust
> them in the bracket, they don't seem to seat without rubbing against the fork of Trek 2200.
>
> Even the Michelin 23's were tight, but these seem taller. At even a lower PSI of 100, how do I get
> these 23cm's to fit?

Does it only rub on one side? Flip the front wheel round so the QR handle is on the other side. If
the tyre now rubs on the opposite side, the front wheel is incorrectly dished and needs a little TLC
with the spoke key.

>Where is the tire rubbing? Against the top of the fork? Towards >the front or the back? And what
>year 2200?


This is a year 2002 Trek2200 with a carbon fork. I've always had trouble seating tires without rubbing. With the bike upside down the tire rubs at the center fork. It looks like the fender bracket is in the way.

The tire spins OK without any weight but then when It rubs. How many mms are needed between the fork and the tire?

This bike loves to go! What sort of flat-resistant tire would best fit this bike. The tire has to corner well in the rain and I commute on some faster desents.

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:

> I don't sell Specialized tires so I can't say how large a 23c Armadillo really is, but if it's
> actually larger than a Michelin, then it's not particularly small (since Michelins are among the
> larger 23c tires out there).

I just bought some 25c Armadillos that are considerably larger than the 28c Panaracer Pasela's they
replaced. As I recall, the Panaracers actually measure less than 26c. The Armadillos wont fit under
the fenders.

So Armadillos are one of the few tires that actually measure larger than their marketed size.

Great... wonder what sort of rolling resistance these tires have. While at the shop, somebody was returning a Nimbus Armadillo with a blown out bead- wire hanging out of the side of the tire. Thing blew out after just one ride.

I'm having 2nd thoughts about these tires. Any recommendations for a fast, flat-resistant tire that can handle Seattle Rainy weather?

On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 04:51:39 GMT, vrkelley
<usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> may have said:

>I just replaced some badly worn Michelins for Armadillo Turbo Clinchers. No matter how I adjust
>them in the bracket, they don't seem to seat without rubbing against the fork of Trek 2200.
>
>Even the Michelin 23's were tight, but these seem taller. At even a lower PSI of 100, how do I get
>these 23cm's to fit?

Welcome to the world of "23 isn't always 23". I have heard from others that the Armadillo tires run
large relative to their advertised dimensions. Given the tight fit that the tire already had in the
area of the fork crown on that Trek, it's probably just not going to work. Unfortunately, the 700c23
is the smallest size that Specialized makes in the Armadillo line.

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Conti Gatorskins. Preferably the 25 or 28 variety.

I usually get 1-2 flats all winter long with these, riding ~100-150mi/wk.

-pete

"vrkelley" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
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> Tim Lines wrote:
> > Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > > I don't sell Specialized tires so I can't say how large a 23c Armadillo really is, but if
> > > it's actually larger than a Michelin,
then
> > > it's not particularly small (since Michelins are among the larger
23c
> > > tires out there).
> > I just bought some 25c Armadillos that are considerably larger than the 28c Panaracer Pasela's
> > they replaced. As I recall, the Panaracers actually measure less than 26c. The Armadillos wont
> > fit under the fenders. So Armadillos are one of the few tires that actually measure larger
than
> > their marketed size.
>
>
>
> Great... wonder what sort of rolling resistance these tires have. While at the shop,
> somebody was returning a Nimbus Armadillo with a blown out bead- wire hanging out of the side of
> the tire. Thing blew out after just one ride.
>
> I'm having 2nd thoughts about these tires. Any recommendations for a fast, flat-resistant tire
> that can handle Seattle Rainy weather?
>
>
>
> --

> I'm having 2nd thoughts about these tires. Any recommendations for a
> fast, flat-resistant tire that can handle Seattle Rainy
> weather?

Tires are one of those strange things where some customers will swear by a certain tire, while
others swear at them. When you find something that works, stick with it until your luck changes.
For my winter bike, I run Conti GP 4-Seasons with phenomenal results. Of course, I should add that
I don't get flats, period (maybe one every 4-5k miles, used to be one every 3k or so... I like
this trend!). The Conti Ultra Gatorskin is a similar tire with a wire bead (the 4-Seasons is a
folding tire).

However, please note that the Conti Ultra Gatorskin and GP-4 Seasons, while more durable than a
conventional tire, are built to still ride nicely too, so there's some compromises in terms of what
they'll handle. Some tires ride like a rock (jarring ride, don't feel like they want to accelerate,
etc) but offer superior resistance to major trauma (big pieces of glass & other sharp objects).
Definitely trade-offs, and the narrower the tire, the more you'll notice the downside to those rock-
like tires.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

"vrkelley" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
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> Tim Lines wrote:
> > Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > > I don't sell Specialized tires so I can't say how large a 23c Armadillo really is, but if
> > > it's actually larger than a Michelin,
then
> > > it's not particularly small (since Michelins are among the larger
23c
> > > tires out there).
> > I just bought some 25c Armadillos that are considerably larger than the 28c Panaracer Pasela's
> > they replaced. As I recall, the Panaracers actually measure less than 26c. The Armadillos wont
> > fit under the fenders. So Armadillos are one of the few tires that actually measure larger
than
> > their marketed size.
>
>
>
> Great... wonder what sort of rolling resistance these tires have. While at the shop,
> somebody was returning a Nimbus Armadillo with a blown out bead- wire hanging out of the side of
> the tire. Thing blew out after just one ride.
>
> I'm having 2nd thoughts about these tires. Any recommendations for a fast, flat-resistant tire
> that can handle Seattle Rainy weather?
>
>
>
> --

I actually bought these tires but returned them because the side walls were incredibly thin and I was afraid that this tire wouldn't hold up well under wet cold conditions.

If you're worried about flats, whatever you do...don't buy Airfree "flatproof performance tires. They are death traps on inclines and wet surfaces. Nothing like dropping a bike in traffic due to "safe" tires And good luck getting a refund!

Pete Grey <peteg@microsoft.com> wrote:
> "vrkelley" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
>>
>> I'm having 2nd thoughts about these tires. Any recommendations for a fast, flat-resistant tire
>> that can handle Seattle Rainy weather?
>>
> Conti Gatorskins. Preferably the 25 or 28 variety.

> I usually get 1-2 flats all winter long with these, riding ~100-150mi/wk.

I'd second that. I was getting about 2-3 flats a week with the POS Michelin Axial Kevlar. Once I
switched to the Conti Gatorskins it was about 1 flat every month or two. They were *So* much better.

--
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> > Conti Gatorskins. Preferably the 25 or 28 variety.
> > > --
>
> I actually bought these tires but returned them because the side walls were incredibly thin and I
> was afraid that this tire wouldn't hold up well under wet cold conditions.

Water does not seem to be a problem for the Conti Ultra Gatorskins; mine get ridden in very nasty
stuff and I've seen no sidewall deterioration at all. However, they probably get only ten really
nasty rides/year; our friends in Seattle will have a much larger database to draw conclusions from!

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Mike Jacoubowsky <MikeJ1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Water does not seem to be a problem for the Conti Ultra Gatorskins; mine get ridden in very nasty
>stuff and I've seen no sidewall deterioration at all. However, they probably get only ten really
>nasty rides/year; our friends in Seattle will have a much larger database to draw conclusions from!

Your friends in the UK have some pretty crappy weather, and I for one have not had any problems.
Quite a few members of the local CTC use these tyres.
--
David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> flcl?