Slightly O.T. <Dishwasher Product> (long)

As of late we have been having a huge problem with streaking on our
stainless steel and milky filming on our china and glassware, all due to a
combination of extremely hard water and detergent. I knew I could polish
all the metal pieces, but I was afraid the china and glassware was
permanently affected and would have to be replaced. Installing a water
softener is not an option.

We've tried every brand of dishwasher detergent on the market, as well as
every brand of rinse agent. We've also tried adding vinegar to the final
rinse, which resulted in only a trace improvement.

Shopping today for yet another option, I came across a product called
"Lemi-Shine", 'The Hard Water Expert'. This is a powdered product made
solely from real fruit acids, natural citrus oils, and fragrance. It
contains no phosphates and is safe for septic tanks. It's said to be so
environmentally safe, and partial proceeds from the sale of the product are
donated to help save endangered species and habitats.

I was highly skeptical, but I loaded our worst examples into the
dishwasher: the glass carafe from our coffee maker, several drinking
glasses, a number of pieces of Pyrex, a couple of stainless steel
saucepans, and some flatware. The results were absolutely incredible.
Every piece except the carafe came out sparkling like new. The carafe went
into a second load and emerged just as clear. I ran back to back loads
until I had washed all our glassware and everyday dishes, all our flatware,
and all our stainless steel cookware. I feel like I've outfitted out
kitchen with everything new!

It is NOT recommended for aluminum, porcelain enamel coated cookware, or
painted glassware. My Pyrex measuring cups were so bad that I was planning
to replace them anyway, but washing them didn't seem to harm the
measurement markings at all.

Lemi-Shine is made by Envirocon Technilogies, Inc. in Midland, Texas. I
highly recommend it to anyone who is experiencing these types of problems
with their dishwasher cleaning.

I am not affiliated with either the company or the product, but strictly an
amazed and satisfied customer.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

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Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974


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"Tang" gives the same results at less cost.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> As of late we have been having a huge problem with streaking on our
> stainless steel and milky filming on our china and glassware, all due to a
> combination of extremely hard water and detergent.
>
> Installing a water softener is not an option.

Why not?

Sheldon

terrenceg@webtv.net (Terry) wrote:

>"Tang" gives the same results at less cost.
>
Seriously?

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On Sun 03 Jul 2005 05:32:33a, Sheldon wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
>
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> As of late we have been having a huge problem with streaking on our
>> stainless steel and milky filming on our china and glassware, all due
>> to a combination of extremely hard water and detergent.
>>
>> Installing a water softener is not an option.
>
> Why not?
>
> Sheldon
>

I'm currently in a rental house. We'll be moving in the Fall when our own
house is completed. The owner of the house we're renting is not
interested in having a water softener installed. We've already been down
that road.

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On Sun 03 Jul 2005 05:20:51a, Terry wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> "Tang" gives the same results at less cost.

Interesting! Would Tang be as strong as this product? Lemi-Shine does have
a caution about taking internally.

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AlleyGator wrote:

> terrenceg@webtv.net (Terry) wrote:
>
> >"Tang" gives the same results at less cost.
> >
> Seriously?

Grape Tang, not the orange stuff.

Hope this helps! :-)

On 7/3/2005 6:29 AM or thereabouts, Wayne Boatwright appears, somewhat
unbelievably, to have opined:

> As of late we have been having a huge problem with streaking on our
> stainless steel and milky filming on our china and glassware, all due to a
> combination of extremely hard water and detergent. I knew I could polish
> all the metal pieces, but I was afraid the china and glassware was
> permanently affected and would have to be replaced. Installing a water
> softener is not an option.
>
> We've tried every brand of dishwasher detergent on the market, as well as
> every brand of rinse agent. We've also tried adding vinegar to the final
> rinse, which resulted in only a trace improvement.
>
> Shopping today for yet another option, I came across a product called
> "Lemi-Shine", 'The Hard Water Expert'. This is a powdered product made
> solely from real fruit acids, natural citrus oils, and fragrance. It
> contains no phosphates and is safe for septic tanks. It's said to be so
> environmentally safe, and partial proceeds from the sale of the product are
> donated to help save endangered species and habitats.
>
> I was highly skeptical, but I loaded our worst examples into the
> dishwasher: the glass carafe from our coffee maker, several drinking
> glasses, a number of pieces of Pyrex, a couple of stainless steel
> saucepans, and some flatware. The results were absolutely incredible.
> Every piece except the carafe came out sparkling like new. The carafe went
> into a second load and emerged just as clear. I ran back to back loads
> until I had washed all our glassware and everyday dishes, all our flatware,
> and all our stainless steel cookware. I feel like I've outfitted out
> kitchen with everything new!
>
> It is NOT recommended for aluminum, porcelain enamel coated cookware, or
> painted glassware. My Pyrex measuring cups were so bad that I was planning
> to replace them anyway, but washing them didn't seem to harm the
> measurement markings at all.
>
> Lemi-Shine is made by Envirocon Technilogies, Inc. in Midland, Texas. I
> highly recommend it to anyone who is experiencing these types of problems
> with their dishwasher cleaning.
>
> I am not affiliated with either the company or the product, but strictly an
> amazed and satisfied customer.
>


The Lemi Shine is produced locally in my home town (the home of "W" as
well). It was first produced by a former neighbor of mine in his garage.
The original name was Citra Clean which he was forced to change rather
than to fight a legal battle over the naming rights. It is extremely
popular locally as our water is TERRIBLE. It works, simple as that. The
original formula was pure citric acid which a number of people had been
using for years in their dishwashers to fight hard water deposits.
Citric acid had never been specifically marketed for this purpose,
however. With the name change he reformulated it a bit to add the lemon
oil and fragrance. The business was sold to a nice young couple who have
since created a couple of other products that have met with less than
resounding success.

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On Sun 03 Jul 2005 08:02:48a, Dennis Turner wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 7/3/2005 6:29 AM or thereabouts, Wayne Boatwright appears, somewhat
> unbelievably, to have opined:
>
>> As of late we have been having a huge problem with streaking on our
>> stainless steel and milky filming on our china and glassware, all due
>> to a combination of extremely hard water and detergent. I knew I could
>> polish all the metal pieces, but I was afraid the china and glassware
>> was permanently affected and would have to be replaced. Installing a
>> water softener is not an option.
>>
>> We've tried every brand of dishwasher detergent on the market, as well
>> as every brand of rinse agent. We've also tried adding vinegar to the
>> final rinse, which resulted in only a trace improvement.
>>
>> Shopping today for yet another option, I came across a product called
>> "Lemi-Shine", 'The Hard Water Expert'. This is a powdered product made
>> solely from real fruit acids, natural citrus oils, and fragrance. It
>> contains no phosphates and is safe for septic tanks. It's said to be
>> so environmentally safe, and partial proceeds from the sale of the
>> product are donated to help save endangered species and habitats.
>>
>> I was highly skeptical, but I loaded our worst examples into the
>> dishwasher: the glass carafe from our coffee maker, several drinking
>> glasses, a number of pieces of Pyrex, a couple of stainless steel
>> saucepans, and some flatware. The results were absolutely incredible.
>> Every piece except the carafe came out sparkling like new. The carafe
>> went into a second load and emerged just as clear. I ran back to back
>> loads until I had washed all our glassware and everyday dishes, all our
>> flatware, and all our stainless steel cookware. I feel like I've
>> outfitted out kitchen with everything new!
>>
>> It is NOT recommended for aluminum, porcelain enamel coated cookware,
>> or painted glassware. My Pyrex measuring cups were so bad that I was
>> planning to replace them anyway, but washing them didn't seem to harm
>> the measurement markings at all.
>>
>> Lemi-Shine is made by Envirocon Technilogies, Inc. in Midland, Texas.
>> I highly recommend it to anyone who is experiencing these types of
>> problems with their dishwasher cleaning.
>>
>> I am not affiliated with either the company or the product, but
>> strictly an amazed and satisfied customer.
>>
>
>
> The Lemi Shine is produced locally in my home town (the home of "W" as
> well). It was first produced by a former neighbor of mine in his garage.
> The original name was Citra Clean which he was forced to change rather
> than to fight a legal battle over the naming rights. It is extremely
> popular locally as our water is TERRIBLE. It works, simple as that. The
> original formula was pure citric acid which a number of people had been
> using for years in their dishwashers to fight hard water deposits.
> Citric acid had never been specifically marketed for this purpose,
> however. With the name change he reformulated it a bit to add the lemon
> oil and fragrance. The business was sold to a nice young couple who have
> since created a couple of other products that have met with less than
> resounding success.
>

Thanks for the background, Dennis. I find product history interesting.

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____________________________________________

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"Dennis Turner" <nobody@no.where> wrote in message
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> On 7/3/2005 6:29 AM or thereabouts, Wayne Boatwright appears, somewhat
> unbelievably, to have opined:
>
>> As of late we have been having a huge problem with streaking on our
>> stainless steel and milky filming on our china and glassware, all due to
>> a combination of extremely hard water and detergent. I knew I could
>> polish all the metal pieces, but I was afraid the china and glassware was
>> permanently affected and would have to be replaced. Installing a water
>> softener is not an option.
>>
>> We've tried every brand of dishwasher detergent on the market, as well as
>> every brand of rinse agent. We've also tried adding vinegar to the final
>> rinse, which resulted in only a trace improvement.
>>
>> Shopping today for yet another option, I came across a product called
>> "Lemi-Shine", 'The Hard Water Expert'. This is a powdered product made
>> solely from real fruit acids, natural citrus oils, and fragrance. It
>> contains no phosphates and is safe for septic tanks. It's said to be so
>> environmentally safe, and partial proceeds from the sale of the product
>> are donated to help save endangered species and habitats.
>>
>> I was highly skeptical, but I loaded our worst examples into the
>> dishwasher: the glass carafe from our coffee maker, several drinking
>> glasses, a number of pieces of Pyrex, a couple of stainless steel
>> saucepans, and some flatware. The results were absolutely incredible.
>> Every piece except the carafe came out sparkling like new. The carafe
>> went into a second load and emerged just as clear. I ran back to back
>> loads until I had washed all our glassware and everyday dishes, all our
>> flatware, and all our stainless steel cookware. I feel like I've
>> outfitted out kitchen with everything new!
>>
>> It is NOT recommended for aluminum, porcelain enamel coated cookware, or
>> painted glassware. My Pyrex measuring cups were so bad that I was
>> planning to replace them anyway, but washing them didn't seem to harm the
>> measurement markings at all.
>>
>> Lemi-Shine is made by Envirocon Technilogies, Inc. in Midland, Texas. I
>> highly recommend it to anyone who is experiencing these types of problems
>> with their dishwasher cleaning.
>>
>> I am not affiliated with either the company or the product, but strictly
>> an amazed and satisfied customer.
>>
>
>
> The Lemi Shine is produced locally in my home town (the home of "W" as
> well). It was first produced by a former neighbor of mine in his garage.
> The original name was Citra Clean which he was forced to change rather
> than to fight a legal battle over the naming rights. It is extremely
> popular locally as our water is TERRIBLE. It works, simple as that. The
> original formula was pure citric acid which a number of people had been
> using for years in their dishwashers to fight hard water deposits. Citric
> acid had never been specifically marketed for this purpose, however. With
> the name change he reformulated it a bit to add the lemon oil and
> fragrance. The business was sold to a nice young couple who have since
> created a couple of other products that have met with less than resounding
> success.
>
I've oft wondered why manufacturers will add 'fragrance' to an otherwise
great product. So, here's one of the reasons --
I hope it isn't too disgusting to me -- yikes, I'm so bad with fragrance I
can't even get my nose up to a flower or walk the soap aisles.
Thanks for this information, tho. If I can't take the fragrance, I know
where to get citric acid and lemon oil.
Dee

On Sun 03 Jul 2005 08:17:53a, Dee Randall wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> I've oft wondered why manufacturers will add 'fragrance' to an otherwise
> great product. So, here's one of the reasons --
> I hope it isn't too disgusting to me -- yikes, I'm so bad with fragrance I
> can't even get my nose up to a flower or walk the soap aisles.
> Thanks for this information, tho. If I can't take the fragrance, I know
> where to get citric acid and lemon oil.
> Dee
>

I don't find it to be a strong scent, Dee. It reminds me of Wyler's powdered
lemonade mix.

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"Wayne Boatwright" <waynesgang@waynes.gang> wrote in message
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> On Sun 03 Jul 2005 08:17:53a, Dee Randall wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> I've oft wondered why manufacturers will add 'fragrance' to an otherwise
>> great product. So, here's one of the reasons --
>> I hope it isn't too disgusting to me -- yikes, I'm so bad with fragrance
>> I
>> can't even get my nose up to a flower or walk the soap aisles.
>> Thanks for this information, tho. If I can't take the fragrance, I know
>> where to get citric acid and lemon oil.
>> Dee
>>
>
> I don't find it to be a strong scent, Dee. It reminds me of Wyler's
> powdered
> lemonade mix.
>

I'm looking forward to it -- I bought a few days ago twelve heavy 20 oz.
beer glasses from Costco (CHEAP! - $6.99), put them in the dishwasher (with
the new additional Jet Spray) and they already had a film out of them when I
took them out. I'm just SICK of it!
Dee

On Sun 03 Jul 2005 08:30:31a, Dee Randall wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" <waynesgang@waynes.gang> wrote in message
> news:Xns9688551306EBFwaynesgang@217.22.228.19...
>> On Sun 03 Jul 2005 08:17:53a, Dee Randall wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> I've oft wondered why manufacturers will add 'fragrance' to an
>>> otherwise great product. So, here's one of the reasons --
>>> I hope it isn't too disgusting to me -- yikes, I'm so bad with
>>> fragrance I
>>> can't even get my nose up to a flower or walk the soap aisles.
>>> Thanks for this information, tho. If I can't take the fragrance, I
>>> know where to get citric acid and lemon oil.
>>> Dee
>>>
>>
>> I don't find it to be a strong scent, Dee. It reminds me of Wyler's
>> powdered lemonade mix.
>>
>
> I'm looking forward to it -- I bought a few days ago twelve heavy 20 oz.
> beer glasses from Costco (CHEAP! - $6.99), put them in the dishwasher
> (with the new additional Jet Spray) and they already had a film out of
> them when I took them out. I'm just SICK of it!
> Dee

It is very discouraging. I was at the point of putting almost everything
in the trash bin and replacing it, but I knew it would happen all over
again. I have always used Jet Dry and while it did help with the water
spotting, it seemed to do nothing to prevent the filming. This stuff has
given all my kitchen stuff (and me) a new lease on life! :-)

There are also instructions on the bottle for ongoing maintenance which I
haven't tried yet. After everything you have is spotlessly clean and
crystal clear, they recommend mixing the Lemi-Shine 50-50 with a powdered
dishwasher detergent. This is supposed to prevent filming on an ongoing
basis. You should also continue to use the Jet Dry, as there can always be
water "spotting" even if you have a water softener (which I don't).

--
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"Wayne Boatwright" <waynesgang@waynes.gang> wrote in message
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> On Sun 03 Jul 2005 08:30:31a, Dee Randall wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" <waynesgang@waynes.gang> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9688551306EBFwaynesgang@217.22.228.19...
>>> On Sun 03 Jul 2005 08:17:53a, Dee Randall wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>> I've oft wondered why manufacturers will add 'fragrance' to an
>>>> otherwise great product. So, here's one of the reasons --
>>>> I hope it isn't too disgusting to me -- yikes, I'm so bad with
>>>> fragrance I
>>>> can't even get my nose up to a flower or walk the soap aisles.
>>>> Thanks for this information, tho. If I can't take the fragrance, I
>>>> know where to get citric acid and lemon oil.
>>>> Dee
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't find it to be a strong scent, Dee. It reminds me of Wyler's
>>> powdered lemonade mix.
>>>
>>
>> I'm looking forward to it -- I bought a few days ago twelve heavy 20 oz.
>> beer glasses from Costco (CHEAP! - $6.99), put them in the dishwasher
>> (with the new additional Jet Spray) and they already had a film out of
>> them when I took them out. I'm just SICK of it!
>> Dee
>
> It is very discouraging. I was at the point of putting almost everything
> in the trash bin and replacing it, but I knew it would happen all over
> again. I have always used Jet Dry and while it did help with the water
> spotting, it seemed to do nothing to prevent the filming. This stuff has
> given all my kitchen stuff (and me) a new lease on life! :-)
>
> There are also instructions on the bottle for ongoing maintenance which I
> haven't tried yet. After everything you have is spotlessly clean and
> crystal clear, they recommend mixing the Lemi-Shine 50-50 with a powdered
> dishwasher detergent. This is supposed to prevent filming on an ongoing
> basis. You should also continue to use the Jet Dry, as there can always
> be
> water "spotting" even if you have a water softener (which I don't).
>

they recommend mixing the Lemi-Shine 50-50 with a powdered
> dishwasher detergent.

Well, I'm going to stick to my 'liquid' dishwasher detergent. I'm not sure
whether the powder will cut glass or not. Some say yes. I've heard that
powder will cut crystal, but the little crystal I have, I don't put in the
dishwasher anyway.
I had stopped using the powder thinking that it was the powder that was
cutting into the glass, but perhaps it wasn't.
Dee

"Wayne Boatwright" <waynesgang@waynes.gang> wrote in message
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>
> There are also instructions on the bottle for ongoing maintenance
> which I
> haven't tried yet. After everything you have is spotlessly clean and
> crystal clear, they recommend mixing the Lemi-Shine 50-50 with a
> powdered
> dishwasher detergent. This is supposed to prevent filming on an
> ongoing
> basis. You should also continue to use the Jet Dry, as there can
> always be
> water "spotting" even if you have a water softener (which I don't).

Wayne.. is all this caused by hard water? Here in Scotland our water
is very soft which is maybe why I have never seen these problems. But..
it is useful to know in case we ever move into a hard water area.

O