Is This What It's Like?

This was typed out yesterday by our esteemed 'tenkbabe'. It
kind of shocked me. I need to know, is this generally the
way people feel in the US, particularly Bush supporters?

quote: "tenkbabe"

> spreads disease and dysfunction. It should not be
> validated with

/unquote

Sorry for being off-topic. This is just more than a little
disturbing, though, and I'd like the truth. It's important.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
down constantly."

No I dont think so....

Most people in this country dont care about anything unless
it affects them... If the country legalized murder, thy
wouldn't care, as long as they are safe in their homes
eating Pizza Hut pizza.

As far as opinions are concerned, the majority of people
think that

myself, consider it to be wrong, and I think that it is a
mental disorder like Bipoler, or Chronic Depression... But
no scientists are bold enough to come out with a type of
medicine to cure "gayness".

"SwStudio" <shhhh_secrets@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> This was typed out yesterday by our esteemed 'tenkbabe'.
> It kind of shocked me. I need to know, is this generally
> the way people feel in the US, particularly Bush
> supporters?
>
>
>
> quote: "tenkbabe"
>

> > spreads disease and dysfunction. It should not be
> > validated with

>
> /unquote
>
>
>
> Sorry for being off-topic. This is just more than a little
> disturbing, though, and I'd like the truth. It's
> important.
>
>
> cheers,
> --
> David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
> insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
> down constantly."

"Kevin Lietz" <KLietz@new.rr.com> wrote in message
> No I dont think so....
>
> Most people in this country dont care about anything
> unless it affects them... If the country legalized murder,
> thy wouldn't care, as long as
they
> are safe in their homes eating Pizza Hut pizza.
>
> As far as opinions are concerned, the majority of people
> think that

> myself, consider it to be wrong, and I think that it is a
> mental disorder like Bipoler, or Chronic Depression... But
> no scientists are bold enough
to
> come out with a type of medicine to cure "gayness".

Thanks for your opinion.

Okay, so that's two people that feel that being gay is a
"disorder" that is "wrong" and needs to be "cured".

I'm frankly shocked if this is the prevailing attitude in
the US. It's very disturbing, to say the least.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
down constantly."

"SwStudio" <shhhh_secrets@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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: "Kevin Lietz" <KLietz@new.rr.com> wrote in message
: > No I dont think so....
: >
: > Most people in this country dont care about anything
: > unless it affects them... If the country legalized
: > murder, thy wouldn't care, as long as
: they
: > are safe in their homes eating Pizza Hut pizza.
: >
: > As far as opinions are concerned, the majority of people
: > think that

: > myself, consider it to be wrong, and I think that it is
: > a mental
disorder
: > like Bipoler, or Chronic Depression... But no scientists
: > are bold enough
: to
: > come out with a type of medicine to cure "gayness".
:
:
:
: Thanks for your opinion.
:
: Okay, so that's two people that feel that being gay is a
: "disorder" that is "wrong" and needs to be "cured".
:
: I'm frankly shocked if this is the prevailing attitude in
: the US. It's very disturbing, to say the least.
:
:
:
: cheers,
: --
: David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
: insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
: down constantly."
:

"mental disorder" is not the prevailing opinion. Most of us
who have had gay friends, though, have seen the trend-
almost all of the men I've known who were gay had no father
in the home. And the majority were abused at

great guy and her life has radically changed. Including her
outlook- which is now positive. She feels good about herself
and her life- which she never did before...(And yes, it was
a "God-thing" that changed her life)

Regardless, I don't believe in looking down upon or in any
way being hateful towards those who are different from me or
think differently. I hope you feel the same.

"SwStudio" <shhhh_secrets@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> This was typed out yesterday by our esteemed 'tenkbabe'.
> It kind of shocked me. I need to know, is this generally
> the way people feel in the US, particularly Bush
> supporters?

Unfortunately, probably yes. Religious right, ultra
conservative. It appears that the followers see things like
their leader, in black and white.

>
>
>
> quote: "tenkbabe"
>

> > spreads disease and dysfunction. It should not be
> > validated with

>
> /unquote
>
>
>
> Sorry for being off-topic. This is just more than a little
> disturbing, though, and I'd like the truth. It's
> important.
>
>
> cheers,
> --
> David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
> insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
> down constantly."

spreads disease and dysfunction. It should not be validated
with marriage. Do

However, I'd prefer to table the issue until after the
election.

Mike

"SwStudio" <shhhh_secrets@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FQufc.6748$9f.2517@read1.cgocable.net...
> This was typed out yesterday by our esteemed 'tenkbabe'.
> It kind of shocked me. I need to know, is this generally
> the way people feel in the US, particularly Bush
> supporters?
>
>
>
> quote: "tenkbabe"
>

> > spreads disease and dysfunction. It should not be
> > validated with

>
> /unquote
>
>
>
> Sorry for being off-topic. This is just more than a little
> disturbing, though, and I'd like the truth. It's
> important.
>
>
> cheers,
> --
> David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
> insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
> down constantly."
>
>

Not MY opinion. I am a lesbian raising a son with my partner
that we both planned together. Do I want to get married,
hell yes! Will it happen in my lifetime, probably not.

behavior is to straight people. (getting off my soap box
now)

The opinion of my country? The majority think it is
wrong. Does that majority think is choice or disorder? I
have no idea.

Where are you from and what is the prevailing opinion there?

jojo

Parker Race wrote:
> "SwStudio" <shhhh_secrets@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:FQufc.6748$9f.2517@read1.cgocable.net...
>> This was typed out yesterday by our esteemed 'tenkbabe'.
>> It kind of shocked me. I need to know, is this generally
>> the way people feel in the US, particularly Bush
>> supporters?
>
> Unfortunately, probably yes. Religious right, ultra
> conservative. It appears that the followers see things
> like their leader, in black and white.
>
It seems that growing Christian Fundamentalism parallels
growing Islamic Fundamentalism. Tit for tat?

Most believe that they are special; for instance, that only
they can go to heaven. Such religious doctrine smacks of
manipulation by the ministers and demagoguery, IMO. A return
to the Dark Ages.

The religious right has supported Israel in its struggle
with Arabs, and would side with Israeli hawks, rather than
moderates--much to the pleasure and surprise of the
Israelis. Reasons? Their interpretation of some passages in
the Bible. Though, one has to wonder which came first, the
decision to pick sides or the interpretation.

They support a war against Iraq as a method of countering
Islamic Fundamentalist terrorism, a crusade mentality. In
this case, we know that George II used the antiterror
justification to help justify his decision to invade. Maybe,
he hopes to make his way to heaven via this "jihad".

According to the 60 Minutes Program this week, the numbers
in the US have grown to some 40% of the population?

At its root are fear, insecurity, ignorance and instinct,
and a perceived failure of secular politics to speak for
them. In a manner similar to Islamic Fundamentalist Mullahs,
clerics gain power by emotional religious manipulation.

Maybe, not the best time for gays to test their limits.

psychological disorder--or a behavioral choice, or a mixture
of both. To

this, I'd like to offer some observations.


ranges anywhere from 2 to 20% of the human population.
Whatever number

hair must be recessive.

3) Most mainstream biologists now believe that the
primary driver of

genetic traits for the furtherance and development of a
species. In a

Diversity" Bruce Bagemihl bucks this reasoning with a
plethora of

non-functional (non-reproductive) nature as a biological
fact that must be accepted. After much effort, however, even
Bagemihl punts, knowing he stands on shaky ground: "Nothing,
in the end, has really been explained--and rightly so, for
it was sensible explanations that ran aground in the first
place." No sensible, explanation. Oh, well. So much for
science and being able to make any claims as to whether

Bagemihl's observations notwithstanding, when we add 1+2+3,
we have a significant scientific hurdle with regards to the
passing on of the

gene be passed on--in increasing numbers, it seems, as the
political winds change--through a biological mixture of
individuals expressing

like cistic fibrosis, an abherration that negatively impacts
the gene pool? That wouldn't work, would it? Yet again, how
can a gene that leads to non-reproduction prove functional
in the natural selection process?

hard case proving itself as "natural". Either that, or well-
established evolutionary science must become non-sensical.

Let us, for the sake of argument, however, assume the
natural

incest, which, by the way, also has a negative impact on the
passing on of traits for the sake of furthering and
developing the species. Add rape to the list, while we are
at it. Must we, as humans, accept and

mammalian cousins?

With regards to passed on traits, we find that society does
not by default endorse every behavior that arises [arguably]
from inherited genetics. Studies suggest some individuals
are more genetically predisposed to violent or addictive
behavior, yet society does not condone either, whether
learned, willed or inherited. Rather, society judges whether
a behavior is detrimental or helpful to its survival. In the
case of marriage, society has for centuries upheld the
obvious, and that which our greatest scientific discoveries
now seems to uphold:

species. Conversely, society has made the opposite
determination with

common sense.

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slavery, banning interracial marriages, and segregation.
There is nothing right or wrong about being gay. You either
are or you aren't. You're still a human being just like
everyone else. You deserve the same rights and treatment as
any other person.

the person who is gay is absurd. There are several good
studies using monozygotic and dizygotic twins showing a high
degree of genetic association with being gay.

All the gays I know have grown up in loving homes with
two parents. They all have told that they just knew
there was something different about them all throughout
there childhood. Whether it is genetic, environmental,
or more likely both is yet to be determined. But does it
really matter?

"bikeme" <bikeme@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
> "SwStudio" <shhhh_secrets@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1zvfc.6756$9f.5218@read1.cgocable.net...
> : "Kevin Lietz" <KLietz@new.rr.com> wrote in message
> : > No I dont think so....
> : >
> : > Most people in this country dont care about anything
> : > unless it affects them... If the country legalized
> : > murder, thy wouldn't care, as long as
> : they
> : > are safe in their homes eating Pizza Hut pizza.
> : >
> : > As far as opinions are concerned, the majority of
> : > people think that

> : > myself, consider it to be wrong, and I think that it
> : > is a mental
> disorder
> : > like Bipoler, or Chronic Depression... But no
> : > scientists are bold
enough
> : to
> : > come out with a type of medicine to cure "gayness".
> :
> :
> :
> : Thanks for your opinion.
> :
> : Okay, so that's two people that feel that being gay is a
> : "disorder" that is "wrong" and needs to be "cured".
> :
> : I'm frankly shocked if this is the prevailing attitude
> : in the US. It's very disturbing, to say the least.
> :
> :
> :
> : cheers,
> : --
> : David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
> : insecure people are the ones you see, putting other
> : people down constantly."
> :
>

a
> "mental disorder" is not the prevailing opinion. Most of
> us who have had gay friends, though, have seen the trend-
> almost all of the men I've known who were gay had no
> father in the home. And the majority were abused at

mine

> great guy and her life has radically changed. Including
> her outlook-
which
> is now positive. She feels good about herself and her life-
> which she
never
> did before...(And yes, it was a "God-thing" that changed
> her life)
>
> Regardless, I don't believe in looking down upon or in any
> way being
hateful
> towards those who are different from me or think
> differently. I hope you feel the same.

>I need to know, is this generally the way people feel in
>the US, particularly
Bush supporters?

David: "The U.S." is a BIG place!! We also have regional
divisions much like Canada has its French-speaking and English-
speaking areas, and its western individualism. We are about
300 million people, I think.

California, for example is the size of France, but bigger
and with a larger GDP, and in this state the political
climate is totally different than it is, say, in Idaho or
Mississippi. It is simply not possible to say that the
country as a whole has an opinion on this subject. It is
also why the entire notion of a US constitutional amendment
on the subject of gay marriage was stillborn, even if it
were supported by the President and by a majority of the
population of the US as a whole. No way they could EVER get
38/50 of the state legislatures to vote for such a thing,
which would be a necessary component of the ratification
process. This "proposal" by the Prez must have been simply a
political ploy to clearly state his opinion while knowing
that in reality the matter was dead in the water. One must
be careful never to take politicians at face value.

as something they perhaps can't really relate to or
understand (they may giggle about it in a non-mean way,
which is not unusual for something you can't relate to), but
not something on the order of mental illness or a disorder.
You may very rarely hear the word "faggot" from rednecks,
but not in mainstream conversation, so I do not think this
view is the predominant one.

TopCounsel wrote:

>>I need to know, is this generally the way people feel in
>>the US, particularly

> as something they perhaps can't really relate to or
> understand (they may giggle about it in a non-mean way,
> which is not unusual for something you can't relate to),
> but not something on the order of mental illness or a
> disorder. You may very rarely hear the word "faggot" from
> rednecks, but not in mainstream conversation, so I do not
> think this view is the predominant one.

of rednecks. TopC, since you live in SoCal, do you have many
Hispanic friends? If not, since Hispanics will soon be the
majority in California, in order to get the true pulse of
how the state feels

you. Your world might be rocked a little.

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"Joe" <joeblow632@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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: slavery, banning interracial marriages, and segregation.
: There is nothing right or wrong about being gay. You
: either are or you aren't. You're
still
: a human being just like everyone else. You deserve the
: same rights and treatment as any other person.
:

: the person who is gay is absurd. There are several good
: studies using monozygotic and dizygotic twins showing a
: high degree of genetic
association
: with being gay.
:
: All the gays I know have grown up in loving homes with
: two parents. They all have told that they just knew there
: was something different about them all throughout there
: childhood. Whether it is genetic, environmental, or more
: likely both is yet to be determined. But does it really
: matter?

of us may not. Because there are a few studies that suggest
there may be an

those who believe some measure of choice or lack of
restraint is involved

involves no choice, what do you do about the pedophile? The
rapist? The dude who's screwing his neighbor's sheep? Are
they not culpable?

Yes, gays and lesbians deserve the same respect and care as
any member of society. I did not suggest otherwise. Even
those who are intolerant and bigoted should not be hated.
But they often are by those who preach tolerance of people
who are different. Hmmm...

:
:
: "bikeme" <bikeme@cox.net> wrote in message
: news:xGvfc.15864$XP2.9442@lakeread06...
: >
: > "SwStudio" <shhhh_secrets@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: > news:1zvfc.6756$9f.5218@read1.cgocable.net...
: > : "Kevin Lietz" <KLietz@new.rr.com> wrote in message
: > : > No I dont think so....
: > : >
: > : > Most people in this country dont care about anything
: > : > unless it
affects
: > : > them... If the country legalized murder, thy
: > : > wouldn't care, as long
as
: > : they
: > : > are safe in their homes eating Pizza Hut pizza.
: > : >
: > : > As far as opinions are concerned, the majority of
: > : > people think that

I
: > : > myself, consider it to be wrong, and I think that it
: > : > is a mental
: > disorder
: > : > like Bipoler, or Chronic Depression... But no
: > : > scientists are bold
: enough
: > : to
: > : > come out with a type of medicine to cure "gayness".
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > : Thanks for your opinion.
: > :
: > : Okay, so that's two people that feel that being gay is
: > : a "disorder" that is "wrong" and needs to be "cured".
: > :
: > : I'm frankly shocked if this is the prevailing attitude
: > : in the US. It's very disturbing, to say the least.
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > : cheers,
: > : --
: > : David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
: > : insecure people are the ones you see, putting other
: > : people down constantly."
: > :
: >

being
: a
: > "mental disorder" is not the prevailing opinion. Most of
: > us who have
had
: > gay friends, though, have seen the trend- almost all of
: > the men I've
known
: > who were gay had no father in the home. And the majority
: > were abused at

: mine

a
: > great guy and her life has radically changed. Including
: > her outlook-
: which
: > is now positive. She feels good about herself and her
: > life- which she
: never
: > did before...(And yes, it was a "God-thing" that changed
: > her life)
: >
: > Regardless, I don't believe in looking down upon or in
: > any way being
: hateful
: > towards those who are different from me or think
: > differently. I hope
you
: > feel the same.
: >
: >
: >
:
:

"Bill" <utthitaxpam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c5m97r$38unr$1@ID-127845.news.uni-berlin.de...
: Parker Race wrote:
: > "SwStudio" <shhhh_secrets@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: > news:FQufc.6748$9f.2517@read1.cgocable.net...
: >> This was typed out yesterday by our esteemed
: >> 'tenkbabe'. It kind of shocked me. I need to know, is
: >> this generally the way people feel in the US,
: >> particularly Bush supporters?
: >
: > Unfortunately, probably yes. Religious right, ultra
: > conservative. It appears that the followers see things
: > like their leader, in black and white.
: >
: It seems that growing Christian Fundamentalism parallels
: growing Islamic Fundamentalism. Tit for tat?

:
: Most believe that they are special; for instance, that
: only they can go to heaven. Such religious doctrine smacks
: of manipulation by the ministers
and
: demagoguery, IMO. A return to the Dark Ages.
:
: The religious right has supported Israel in its struggle
: with Arabs, and would side with Israeli hawks, rather than
: moderates--much to the pleasure and surprise of the
: Israelis. Reasons? Their interpretation of some passages
: in the Bible. Though, one has to wonder which came first,
: the decision to pick sides or the interpretation.
:
: They support a war against Iraq as a method of countering
: Islamic Fundamentalist terrorism, a crusade mentality. In
: this case, we know that George II used the antiterror
: justification to help justify his decision
to
: invade. Maybe, he hopes to make his way to heaven via this
: "jihad".

Actually, GWB believes he is going to heaven based upon
Christ's death for him on the cross- nothing more, nothing
less; his actions aren't the issue for entrance into heaven.

:
: According to the 60 Minutes Program this week, the numbers
: in the US have grown to some 40% of the population?

OHF'ingG- 40 %??? Hide the kids, leave the country!!!! The
Fundamentalists are coming!!! You know, if 60 Minutes said
it, it MUST be true. Nevermind the fact that American
practice shows otherwise. Belief about subjectivity,
relative nature of right and wrong, etc. Thanks for the
laugh, though.

:
: At its root are fear, insecurity, ignorance and instinct,
: and a perceived failure of secular politics to speak for
: them. In a manner similar to Islamic Fundamentalist
: Mullahs, clerics gain power by emotional religious
: manipulation.
:
: Maybe, not the best time for gays to test their limits.
:
:

"Parker Race" <pokey@slopoke.net> wrote in message
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:
: "SwStudio" <shhhh_secrets@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: news:FQufc.6748$9f.2517@read1.cgocable.net...
: > This was typed out yesterday by our esteemed 'tenkbabe'.
: > It kind of shocked me. I need to know, is this generally
: > the way people feel in the US, particularly Bush
: > supporters?
:
: Unfortunately, probably yes. Religious right, ultra
: conservative. It appears that the followers see things
: like their leader, in black and white.

and should not be the norm.

:
: >
: >
: >
: > quote: "tenkbabe"
: >

: > > spreads disease and dysfunction. It should not be
: > > validated with

: >
: > /unquote
: >
: >
: >
: > Sorry for being off-topic. This is just more than a
: > little disturbing, though, and I'd like the truth. It's
: > important.
: >
: >
: > cheers,
: > --
: > David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
: > insecure people are the ones you see, putting other
: > people down constantly."
: >
: >
:
: