Boston report: 12th American

Geez, I'm gone for 2 months and nobody misses me? I had a
horrible preparation period for Boston. The over-training
from last fall never really cleared my legs, so I couldn't
get over 90 mpw. I'm pop 2-3 good workouts and be careful to
recover, yet my legs would go to crap and it would be two
weeks before I could run well again. With my wedding coming
up only 3 weeks after Boston, the stress of planning it
really affected my training. Deadlines for my graduate
program came one after the other, and I had to fly to
California (from Michigan) for two days only the week before
the race. To top it off, we buried both of my grandfathers
and another relative in the four months leading up to the
race. Then that weather. I scrapped my plans to try for 2:28
immedialy and went out at 5:50 pace for the first 14 miles
and still felt like hell. I slowed to 6:10 or so to make
sure I made it over the hills, then busted the last mile in
5:50 again. Elites were dropping all around me, it was a
tough day. It never felt like a race to me, just a long,
dreadful training run. However my conservative pace gave me
a good finishing place; 34th male and 12the American. At
least I can take that home. I even got interviewed when I
finished, probably because I was the only one there that
looked up to talking (Channel 5 Boston). Now I'm going to
take a month or more completely off to reset everything and
hopefully get back to where I was last year. Oh yeah, and
get hitched. Andy Hass

ahass@dontspamumich.edu wrote:

> Geez, I'm gone for 2 months and nobody misses me?

we were tracking you online, buddy. not to mention, big
brother was watching you. ;-)

> I had a horrible preparation period for Boston. The over-
> training from last fall never really cleared my legs, so
> I couldn't get over 90 mpw.

how's your hematocrit problem now? is it back to normal?

> I'm pop 2-3 good workouts and be careful to recover, yet
> my legs would go to crap and it would be two weeks
> before I could run well again. With my wedding coming up
> only 3 weeks after Boston, the stress of planning it
> really affected my training. Deadlines for my graduate
> program came one after the other, and I had to fly to
> California (from Michigan) for two days only the week
> before the race. To top it off, we buried both of my
> grandfathers and another relative in the four months
> leading up to the race.

life

> Then that weather. I scrapped my plans to try for 2:28
> immedialy and went out
> at 5:50 pace for the first 14 miles and still felt like
> hell. I slowed to 6:10 or
> so to make sure I made it over the hills, then busted the
> last mile in 5:50 again.

online, i saw your projected finish drop from 2:31 to
2:33 to ....

> Elites were dropping all around me, it was a tough day. It
> never felt like a race to me, just a long, dreadful
> training run. However my conservative pace gave me

yup, it was pretty hot, from what i read. when it started,
the website said something like: ".... (something about the)
heat... leaders have gotten off to a slow start.. covering
the first mile in 5:02.."

> a good finishing place; 34th male and 12the American. At
> least I can take that

congrats. nice effort. i noticed you were 44th overall.

> home. I even got interviewed when I finished, probably
> because I was the only one there that looked up to talking
> (Channel 5 Boston).

that must've been cool, eh?

> Now I'm going to take a month or more completely off to
> reset everything and hopefully get back to where I was
> last year. Oh yeah, and get hitched. Andy Hass

was a boston finish a part of the pre-nup agreement?

congrats once again and enjoy your break.

regards jobs

<ahass@dontspamumich.edu> wrote in message
> Geez, I'm gone for 2 months and nobody misses me?

haha, I did - your training week is generally the first one
I like to look at, when you are posting them.

<snip report>
> Now I'm going to take a month or more completely off to
> reset
everything and
> hopefully get back to where I was last year. Oh yeah, and
> get hitched.

I wish you the best. Are you considering running
Chicago again?

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
down constantly."

ahass@dontspamumich.edu wrote:

> Geez, I'm gone for 2 months and nobody misses me?

We all missed ya!!

> Then that weather. I scrapped my plans to try for 2:28
> immedialy and went out at 5:50 pace for the first 14
> miles and still felt like hell. I slowed to 6:10 or so
> to make sure I made it over the hills, then busted the
> last mile in 5:50 again. Elites were dropping all
> around me, it was a tough day. It never felt like a
> race to me, just a long, dreadful training run. However
> my conservative pace gave me a good finishing place;
> 34th male and 12the American. At least I can take that
> home. I even got interviewed when I finished, probably
> because I was the only one there that looked up to
> talking (Channel 5 Boston).

You made the right choice for the day and for your training.
A 2:38 is a damn fine run even if you felt like ****.

> Now I'm going to take a month or more completely off to
> reset everything and hopefully get back to where I was
> last year. Oh yeah, and get hitched.

Oh boy, drum roll!! Let's see, getting married and get back
to where you were last year? Have I got a bridge to sell
you. Saying "I do" means "you're done". I'm going on 36
years of marital bliss and still waiting for that to happen.
This is the fourth biggest
lie.

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I – I took the one less
traveled by, And that has made all the difference."

You're taking the path most traveled. Good luck!!!

--
Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" dfreeseS@NOBShvc.rr.com

ahass@dontspamumich.edu wrote:
> Geez, I'm gone for 2 months and nobody misses me?

We sure did! We've been wondering where you were - other
than Monday

>Deadlines for my graduate program came one after the other,
>and I had to fly to California (from Michigan) for two days
>only the week before the race.

Does this mean you're close to finishing? And then a
lifetime of unending deadlines

> Then that weather. I scrapped my plans to try for 2:28
> immedialy and went out at 5:50 pace for the first 14
> miles and still felt like hell. I slowed to 6:10 or so
> to make sure I made it over the hills, then busted the
> last mile in 5:50 again. Elites were dropping all
> around me, it was a tough day. It never felt like a
> race to me, just a long, dreadful training run. However
> my conservative pace gave me a good finishing place;
> 34th male and 12the American. At least I can take that
> home. I even got interviewed when I finished, probably
> because I was the only one there that looked up to
> talking (Channel 5 Boston).

Congratulations, Andy! Great way to adapt your strategy.
Excellent showing, esp. for the conditions.

> Now I'm going to take a month or more completely off to
> reset everything and hopefully get back to where I was
> last year. Oh yeah, and get hitched.

Just a thought: 3 wks to wedding. "month or more completely
off" means only 1 wk for honeymoon or whatever. Maybe a
little more thought to the "or more" aspect of time off
unless the first runs are with your bride and puppy (iirc,
you got a pup in the fall).

Good luck and rest up!

Dot

--
"Success is different things to different people" -Bernd
Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

Good to hear from you again
Well done
J
<ahass@dontspamumich.edu> wrote in message
news:y6yhc.4323$Nz2.91452@news.itd.umich.edu...
>
> Geez, I'm gone for 2 months and nobody misses me? I
> had a horrible preparation period for Boston. The over-
> training from last fall never really cleared my legs, so
> I couldn't get over 90 mpw. I'm pop 2-3 good workouts
> and be careful to recover, yet my legs would go
to
> crap and it would be two weeks before I could run well
> again. With my
wedding
> coming up only 3 weeks after Boston, the stress of
> planning it really
affected
> my training. Deadlines for my graduate program came one
> after the other,
and
> I had to fly to California (from Michigan) for two days
> only the week
before the
> race. To top it off, we buried both of my grandfathers
> and another
relative in the
> four months leading up to the race. Then that weather. I
> scrapped my plans to try for 2:28 immedialy and
went out
> at 5:50 pace for the first 14 miles and still felt like
> hell. I slowed to
6:10 or
> so to make sure I made it over the hills, then busted the
> last mile in
7:50 again.
> Elites were dropping all around me, it was a tough day. It
> never felt
like a race to
> me, just a long, dreadful training run. However my
> conservative pace gave
me
> a good finishing place; 34th male and 12the American. At
> least I can take
that
> home. I even got interviewed when I finished, probably
> because I was the
only one
> there that looked up to talking (Channel 5 Boston). Now
> I'm going to take a month or more completely off to reset
everything and
> hopefully get back to where I was last year. Oh yeah, and
> get hitched. Andy Hass

ahass@dontspamumich.edu wrote in message
>
> Then that weather. I scrapped my plans to try for 2:28
> immedialy and went out
> at 5:50 pace for the first 14 miles and still felt like
> hell. I slowed to 6:10 or
> so to make sure I made it over the hills, then busted the
> last mile in 5:50 again.
Smart run on a tough day.

One of the elite runners, Andrew Letherby, an Aussie based
in the States has a PR of around 2:12, and was in the shape
of his life, and hoping to break 2:12 and qualify for the
Aussie Olympic team. He ended up with a 2:19.

Congrats on the upcoming wedding!

Anthony.

You're still recovering from your training for Chicago last
Fall? Sorry Andy, but that's hard to believe. I understand
you have a lot going on, but enough excuses already. You
obviously got some talent, so after your wedding, buckle
down and get it done!

-Steve

<ahass@dontspamumich.edu> wrote in message
news:y6yhc.4323$Nz2.91452@news.itd.umich.edu...
>
> Geez, I'm gone for 2 months and nobody misses me? I
> had a horrible preparation period for Boston. The over-
> training from last fall never really cleared my legs, so
> I couldn't get over 90 mpw. I'm pop 2-3 good workouts
> and be careful to recover, yet my legs would go
to
> crap and it would be two weeks before I could run well
> again. With my
wedding
> coming up only 3 weeks after Boston, the stress of
> planning it really
affected
> my training. Deadlines for my graduate program came one
> after the other,
and
> I had to fly to California (from Michigan) for two days
> only the week
before the
> race. To top it off, we buried both of my grandfathers
> and another
relative in the
> four months leading up to the race. Then that weather. I
> scrapped my plans to try for 2:28 immedialy and
went out
> at 5:50 pace for the first 14 miles and still felt like
> hell. I slowed to
6:10 or
> so to make sure I made it over the hills, then busted the
> last mile in
7:50 again.
> Elites were dropping all around me, it was a tough day. It
> never felt
like a race to
> me, just a long, dreadful training run. However my
> conservative pace gave
me
> a good finishing place; 34th male and 12the American. At
> least I can take
that
> home. I even got interviewed when I finished, probably
> because I was the
only one
> there that looked up to talking (Channel 5 Boston). Now
> I'm going to take a month or more completely off to reset
everything and
> hopefully get back to where I was last year. Oh yeah, and
> get hitched. Andy Hass

Hey Andy,

congratulations awesome achievment considering the
brutal heat!!!

It was my first Boston, was planning 2:45. During the first
hour I was okay passing 10m in 59 minutes well on track, but
then the heat really kicked in. After half way in 1:22
decided to jog home, didn't want to find myself in the
medical tent and finished in a PW 3:16.

Later on checked at the finish and it looked like a war
zone. Runners carrying each other over the finish line,
runners coming in totally exhausted close to a
collapse. Never seen so many walking during the last
10k of a marathon.

Well done! U

Andy Hass wrote:

>Geez, I'm gone for 2 months and nobody misses me?

I did miss you. I was afraid that you just left, like Troy.
A couple of us followed your progress online.

> I had a horrible preparation period for Boston. The over-
> training from last fall never really cleared my legs, so
> I couldn't get over 90 mpw. I'm pop 2-3 good workouts and
> be careful to recover, yet my legs would go to crap and
> it would be two weeks before I could run well again.

I was wondering about this. It seemed to me that the time
you took off after Chicago was ok for a case of simple
overreaching, but full-blown overtraining needs something
more like 1-3 months off. I wonder if the physiology
department at Ball State (Dr. Davic Costill's place) might
be able to help you here.

>With my wedding coming up only 3 weeks after Boston, the
>stress of planning it really affected my training.
>Deadlines for my graduate program came one after the other,
>and I had to fly to California (from Michigan) for two days
>only the week before the race. To top it off, we buried
>both of my grandfathers and another relative in the four
>months leading up to the race. Then that weather. I
>scrapped my plans to try for 2:28 immedialy and went out at
>5:50 pace for the first 14 miles and still felt like hell.
>I slowed to
>6:10 or so to make sure I made it over the hills, then
> busted the last mile in 5:50 again. Elites were dropping
> all around me, it was a tough day. It never felt like a
> race to me, just a long, dreadful training run. However
> my conservative pace gave me a good finishing place;
> 34th male and 12the American. At least I can take that
> home. I even got interviewed when I finished, probably
> because I was the only one there that looked up to
> talking (Channel 5 Boston). Now I'm going to take a
> month or more completely off to reset everything and
> hopefully get back to where I was last year. Oh yeah,
> and get hitched. Andy Hass
>
I agree with Dot that you're probably looking at a "little"
more than a month off. "Life" counts a training load, and
the more life, the less training. And vice versa.

Hope you make it back in time for Chicago.

Lyndon

"Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!" --US
Olympic Track Coach Brooks Johnson

"Doug Freese" <dfreese@NOBShvc.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> ahass@dontspamumich.edu wrote:
>
> > Geez, I'm gone for 2 months and nobody misses me?
>
> We all missed ya!!
>
>
> > Then that weather. I scrapped my plans to try for
> > 2:28 immedialy and
went out
> > at 5:50 pace for the first 14 miles and still felt like
> > hell. I slowed
to 6:10 or
> > so to make sure I made it over the hills, then busted
> > the last mile in
5:50 again.
> > Elites were dropping all around me, it was a tough day.
> > It never felt
like a race to
> > me, just a long, dreadful training run. However my
> > conservative pace
gave me
> > a good finishing place; 34th male and 12the American. At
> > least I can
take that
> > home. I even got interviewed when I finished, probably
> > because I was
the only one
> > there that looked up to talking (Channel 5 Boston).
>
> You made the right choice for the day and for your
> training. A 2:38 is a damn fine run even if you felt like
> ****.
>
Yes my wife went out like she was going to still be able to
3:10 and was thinking about dropping out by mile 5. I was
just glad to get across the line. It wasn't a case of if I
was going to cramp, it was how long before they started. The
answer was 30k. So for the last 7 to 8 miles I ran until the
cramps wouldn't allow me to, walked as fast as I could,
started running again, repeated until Copley Plaza. It's
very frustrating when you're not bonking but just aren't
able to run. I won't try this again unless I qualify with
3:15 or less and am in the same shape on race day. It may
never happen but at least I did it.

> > Now I'm going to take a month or more completely off
> > to reset
everything and
> > hopefully get back to where I was last year. Oh yeah,
> > and get hitched.
>
> Oh boy, drum roll!! Let's see, getting married and get
> back to where you were last year? Have I got a bridge to
> sell you. Saying "I do" means "you're done". I'm going on
> 36 years of marital bliss and still waiting for that to
> happen. This is the fourth biggest
> lie.

There was an interesting twist for me. I found that I got
into really good shape when my wife was pregnant. Probably
the result of having more time on my hands. Once the
children arrive though, it's a whole new ballgame,
especially if your wife to be is a runner also. I ran my
first Marathon when my wife was expecting our second child
and she thought I was out of my mind. Now she wants to
break 3 hours!

>
> "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one
> less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
>
>
> You're taking the path most traveled. Good luck!!!
>
> --
> Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" dfreeseS@NOBShvc.rr.com

Dot wrote:

> Good luck and rest up!

He needs to rest up for the honeymoon!!!

--
Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" dfreeseS@NOBShvc.rr.com

Doug Freese <dfreese@nobshvc.rr.com> wrote:
> Oh boy, drum roll!! Let's see, getting married and get
> back to where you were last year? Have I got a bridge to
> sell you. Saying "I do" means "you're done". I'm going on
> 36 years of marital bliss and still waiting for that to
> happen. This is the fourth biggest
> lie.

I know, I know Doug. Thing is not a lot is going to change
for us in the next year or two. Until I get out of school or
she gets pregnant, it will pretty much be the status quo.
Besides, she is extremely supportive of my running and even
told me she can't wait until I start training again. I guess
I'm not as restless and such when I'm training. We'll see.
I'm pretty driven to still train though. Andy

Dot <dot.h@#att.net> wrote:

> Does this mean you're close to finishing? And then a
> lifetime of unending deadlines

---No, unfortunately. To finish the PhD is about another 1.5-
2 years. But I am unhappy with the job opportunities I am
facing and have an application into the UofM MBA program for
this fall. If I get accepted I'll opt out with an MS and
switch...my finishing date will be about the same, my stress
much less, and my employment opportunities MUCH better.

SB <beguin@purdue.edu> wrote:
> You're still recovering from your training for Chicago
> last Fall? Sorry Andy, but that's hard to believe. I
> understand you have a lot going on, but enough excuses
> already. You obviously got some talent, so after your
> wedding, buckle down and get it done!

> -Steve

Hey man, I used to eat 100 mile weeks for breakfast! Now
I can't even run one and be able to jog at the end. It's
not for lack of trying, there is some residual problems in
the legs. Look at Salazar and Beardsley. Ran an impressive
year or two of races, continued to increase their training
loads, then all of a sudden lacked the ability to perform
despite the training. over-training can have long-lasting
effects. Andy Hass