Too much too soon??

Hi All,

I'm a newbie in the running game. I got a wild hair on New Years Eve to run a marathon. I joined a
local running club and started training the second weekend in January for the L.A. Marathon.
Training went well up to our 20 mile run. I was beat to death and my knees, hips and bottom of my
feet were pretty sore. I also noticed a few days later that my resting heart rate (normally around
53-55 bpm) was up to 68-72. A trip to Kaiser for a complete physical and treadmill test put my mind
at ease. They had no idea why my h/r changed so dramatically but said I was fit enough to proceed.
I finished the marathon in 5:25:58. We had been training at 11min/mile so I was well behind the
pace. I took a week off and went back at it, adding a 3.2 mile/day run during my lunch 1/2 hour
along with my regular long runs on Sunday. I also do the circuit training runs with the group
Wednesday evening. Since the marathon I have been struggling to keep the 11 min. pace with the
running group. I feel weak and I'm trembling uncontrollably when I stand still. It seems like the
harder I try the worse things get. Does anybody have any advise or has anyone gone through the same
symptoms I'm feeling?

Thanks,

Ken

>Does anybody have any advise

Do several more twenty milers as close together as possible, this'll solve your problem.

Bill R.

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OO

I wonder if you're discovering why newbie marathon training programs typically last 6+ months, not
2. La marathon was March 2, right? yikes

<kwbosch@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:tisgavceakgg9dcvn54c3tum3odh642296@4ax.com...
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm a newbie in the running game. I got a wild hair on New Years Eve to
run a marathon. I joined a local running club
> and started training the second weekend in January for the L.A. Marathon. Training went well up to
> our 20 mile run. I was beat to death and my
knees, hips and bottom of my feet were pretty sore.
> I also noticed a few days later that my resting heart rate (normally
around 53-55 bpm) was up to 68-72.
> A trip to Kaiser for a complete physical and treadmill test put my mind at
ease. They had no idea why my h/r changed so
> dramatically but said I was fit enough to proceed. I finished the marathon in 5:25:58. We had been
> training at 11min/mile so
I was well behind the pace.
> I took a week off and went back at it, adding a 3.2 mile/day run during my
lunch 1/2 hour along with my regular long
> runs on Sunday. I also do the circuit training runs with the group
Wednesday evening.
> Since the marathon I have been struggling to keep the 11 min. pace with
the running group. I feel weak and I'm trembling
> uncontrollably when I stand still. It seems like the harder I try the
worse things get.
> Does anybody have any advise or has anyone gone through the same symptoms
I'm feeling?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken

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What out for the trolls. I fear one again may be risking someone's health with his foolishness.

Most of us who have run 20+ miles know that around 18-22 miles we hit the "wall" your body just
runs out of go (that's the official technical term)

I would guess the heart rate was a result of just one of those days. Maybe a little cold or
other infection. BTW it is not uncommon to come down with a cold or other sort of infection
after a really long run like a marathon.

Since your doctor gave you an ok. get back to the program. Remember that we all have good and
bad days, my guess is that 20 miles was on a bad day.

The other thing is the time you have been training. Each of us are different, and if you are
young and were if general good health to start with, you might be ok with your training plan,
however, for me (I'm 55 years old by the way) those few months since you started would make 20
miles an unreasonable goal, unless I had been running before. Your program my be a little
optimistic.

Listen to your body, if it is saying no, then don't push. You can get there without killing
yourself. Slow steady progress with just a few backslides for bad days or colds or just a busy
week is the best way in my book.

Good Luck and I would not plan on a lot of 20 mile runs right away. Two weeks from the last one
might be a good time.

--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

<kwbosch@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:tisgavceakgg9dcvn54c3tum3odh642296@4ax.com...
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm a newbie in the running game. I got a wild hair on New Years Eve to
run a marathon. I joined a local running club
> and started training the second weekend in January for the L.A. Marathon. Training went well up to
> our 20 mile run. I was beat to death and my
knees, hips and bottom of my feet were pretty sore.
> I also noticed a few days later that my resting heart rate (normally
around 53-55 bpm) was up to 68-72.
> A trip to Kaiser for a complete physical and treadmill test put my mind at
ease. They had no idea why my h/r changed so
> dramatically but said I was fit enough to proceed. I finished the marathon in 5:25:58. We had been
> training at 11min/mile so
I was well behind the pace.
> I took a week off and went back at it, adding a 3.2 mile/day run during my
lunch 1/2 hour along with my regular long
> runs on Sunday. I also do the circuit training runs with the group
Wednesday evening.
> Since the marathon I have been struggling to keep the 11 min. pace with
the running group. I feel weak and I'm trembling
> uncontrollably when I stand still. It seems like the harder I try the
worse things get.
> Does anybody have any advise or has anyone gone through the same symptoms
I'm feeling?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken

make sure you're eating sufficiently and drinking tons of fluids with electrolytes (gatorade, etc).
i know it sounds simple but if you're not doing these two things then you're doing your body a
disservice.

jOe

<kwbosch@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:tisgavceakgg9dcvn54c3tum3odh642296@4ax.com...
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm a newbie in the running game. I got a wild hair on New Years Eve to
run a marathon. I joined a local running club
> and started training the second weekend in January for the L.A. Marathon. Training went well up to
> our 20 mile run. I was beat to death and my
knees, hips and bottom of my feet were pretty sore.
> I also noticed a few days later that my resting heart rate (normally
around 53-55 bpm) was up to 68-72.
> A trip to Kaiser for a complete physical and treadmill test put my mind at
ease. They had no idea why my h/r changed so
> dramatically but said I was fit enough to proceed. I finished the marathon in 5:25:58. We had been
> training at 11min/mile so
I was well behind the pace.
> I took a week off and went back at it, adding a 3.2 mile/day run during my
lunch 1/2 hour along with my regular long
> runs on Sunday. I also do the circuit training runs with the group
Wednesday evening.
> Since the marathon I have been struggling to keep the 11 min. pace with
the running group. I feel weak and I'm trembling
> uncontrollably when I stand still. It seems like the harder I try the
worse things get.
> Does anybody have any advise or has anyone gone through the same symptoms
I'm feeling?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken

In article <tisgavceakgg9dcvn54c3tum3odh642296@4ax.com>, kwbosch@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm a newbie in the running game. I got a wild hair on New Years Eve to run a marathon. I joined a
> local running club and started training the second weekend in January for the L.A. Marathon.
> Training went well up to our 20 mile run. I was beat to death and my knees, hips and bottom of my
> feet were pretty sore. I also noticed a few days later that my resting heart rate (normally around
> 53-55 bpm) was up to 68-72. A trip to Kaiser for a complete physical and treadmill test put my
> mind at ease. They had no idea why my h/r changed

Then "they" are stupid. It's a well-known symptom of overtraining.

> so dramatically but said I was fit enough to proceed. I finished the marathon in 5:25:58. We had
> been training at 11min/mile so I was well behind the pace. I took a week off and went back at it,
> adding a 3.2 mile/day run during my lunch 1/2 hour along with my regular long runs on Sunday. I
> also do the circuit training runs with the group Wednesday evening. Since the marathon I have been
> struggling to keep the 11 min. pace with the running group. I feel weak and I'm trembling
> uncontrollably when I stand still. It seems like the harder I try the worse things get. Does
> anybody have any advise or has anyone gone through the same symptoms I'm feeling?

You ran a marathon without adequate preparation, and now you're severely overtrained. It looks like
the 1 week you took was inadequate.

Take a break. Don't go back to training until your resting heart is back to normal. And don't worry
about "losing training time" -- you've done enough training for now, and you're going to be faster
after your rest than you are now.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

In article <Mx%pa.155379$0X.33450511@twister.columbus.rr.com>, Joseph Meehan wrote:

> I would guess the heart rate was a result of just one of those days.
> Maybe a little cold or other infection. BTW it is not uncommon to come down

Really ? He shows other signs of overtraining (reduced performance, and other physical symptoms) and
you think it's "one of those days" ? Betcha that wasn't just a sporadic measurement error.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

>I'm 55 years old by the way

HOLY ****! And you can still find strength to type this late in the evening at your age? I'm
impressed Joe.

Bill R.

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OO

>What out for the trolls

At least our trolls are literate.

Bill R.

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OO

GOTCHA ALL! LOLOL Gosh you people are easy, all I need to do now is reply with a silly reply to my
own troll, and you guys buy it hook, line, and sinker. You're just too easy. LOLOL

Bill R.

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OO

In article <20030424215649.06015.00000043@mb-m07.aol.com>, Bill-always hard-Rodgers wrote:
> GOTCHA ALL! LOLOL Gosh you people are easy, all I need to do now is reply with a silly reply to my
> own troll, and you guys buy it hook, line, and sinker. You're just too easy. LOLOL

That was a good troll, and pretty funny in hindsight.

However, I think the fact that several people fell for it is not just a reflection on the
gullibility of the posters here. One of those parodies where the thing being parodied isn't that
much different from the caricature.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

Also good advice I missed. Very important for long runs.

I might add that drinking fluids has many benefits. In my case, it is believed that my early
years of running, when I did not worry so much about it and I often was dehydrated, caused the
kidney stones I now have. Of course like all things, it can be overdone, but that is hard to do
on a very long run.

--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

"Joe Braun" <joeblow632@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6G%pa.37746$Yj2.694082@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> make sure you're eating sufficiently and drinking tons of fluids with electrolytes (gatorade,
> etc). i know it sounds simple but if you're not doing these two things then you're doing your body
> a disservice.
>
> jOe
>
>
> <kwbosch@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:tisgavceakgg9dcvn54c3tum3odh642296@4ax.com...
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I'm a newbie in the running game. I got a wild hair on New Years Eve to
> run a marathon. I joined a local running club
> > and started training the second weekend in January for the L.A.
Marathon.
> > Training went well up to our 20 mile run. I was beat to death and my
> knees, hips and bottom of my feet were pretty sore.
> > I also noticed a few days later that my resting heart rate (normally
> around 53-55 bpm) was up to 68-72.
> > A trip to Kaiser for a complete physical and treadmill test put my mind
at
> ease. They had no idea why my h/r changed so
> > dramatically but said I was fit enough to proceed. I finished the marathon in 5:25:58. We had
> > been training at 11min/mile
so
> I was well behind the pace.
> > I took a week off and went back at it, adding a 3.2 mile/day run during
my
> lunch 1/2 hour along with my regular long
> > runs on Sunday. I also do the circuit training runs with the group
> Wednesday evening.
> > Since the marathon I have been struggling to keep the 11 min. pace with
> the running group. I feel weak and I'm trembling
> > uncontrollably when I stand still. It seems like the harder I try the
> worse things get.
> > Does anybody have any advise or has anyone gone through the same
symptoms
> I'm feeling?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ken

Thanks Bill,

I should have known from the frequency of your posts in this group that your advice would
be "Bang on"

Asshole....

On 25 Apr 2003 00:25:42 GMT, thebillrodgers@aol.comNOHAM (Bill-always hard-Rodgers ) wrote:

>>Does anybody have any advise
>
>Do several more twenty milers as close together as possible, this'll solve your problem.
>
>Bill R.
>
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>OO

You may be right, but I was considering "A trip to Kaiser for a complete physical and treadmill test
put my mind at ease. They had no idea why my h/r changed so dramatically but said I was fit enough
to proceed."

What I did not stress was the normal after marathon recovery. KW if you are reading this, plan
on taking it easy for a while, and let your body recover. It did not handle the 20 miles that
well and it is going to do the same with the 26.2. Again listen to your body.

BTW your time was just about the same as my first marathon. I am not near the front these days,
but I am finishing in the first half.

--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

"Donovan Rebbechi" <abuse@aol.com> wrote in message news:slrnbah57b.cdj.abuse@panix2.panix.com...
> In article <Mx%pa.155379$0X.33450511@twister.columbus.rr.com>, Joseph
Meehan wrote:
>
> > I would guess the heart rate was a result of just one of those days. Maybe a little cold or
> > other infection. BTW it is not uncommon to come
down
>
> Really ? He shows other signs of overtraining (reduced performance, and
other
> physical symptoms) and you think it's "one of those days" ? Betcha that
wasn't
> just a sporadic measurement error.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:15:38 GMT, "Joseph Meehan" <sligojoeSPAM2@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Also good advice I missed. Very important for long runs.
>
> I might add that drinking fluids has many benefits. In my case, it is believed that my early
> years of running, when I did not worry so much about it and I often was dehydrated, caused the
> kidney stones I now have. Of course like all things, it can be overdone, but that is hard to do
> on a very long run.

Yes, hydration for me is a problem. I'm a sweater... We run in Loma Linda, Ca. and at 7:00 am it's
usually in the upper 30's to mid 40's. I show up in shorts and tank top while all of the other
runners are layered in jackets and sweats. I'm pouring sweat by the time we hit the 1 mile marker.

Life is hard, then ya die..