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But not exactly a 'bent. It looks like a comfort bike to me. I also didn't appreciate the blatently "creationist" content on the page. Some folks can't seem to separate their religious beliefs from other aspects of life. Religion and commerce don't mix very well unless you are selling bibles.

Charles

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It is interesting that you are so concerned about our bike not being a 'bent' when in an earlier message you stated, 'In the end, we ride whatever gives us pleasure.' I have never seen a bike with the combination of features of the Day 6 Dream and yet, it sounds like you would not be interested in our bike just because I have some vague references to creationism. If a bike is good I don't care if the designer is an atheist or Buddhist or a Muslim or a Christian. I appreciate good designs wherever they come from.

I have had hundreds of people ride our bike and think it is the best thing they have EVER ridden. Not one of them was concerned that it wasn't a 'bent'.

In fact, in the article concerning semi recumbents and recumbents it was universally accepted that there is no definition of what constitutes a true recumbent. (you, yourself, called it a 'bogus' distinction) The Day 6 bike has a 17" seat with an incredibly comfortable, adjustable, full size back and your feet are out in front of you instead of down - everyone I know calls that a recumbent. By the way, every comfort bike I have seen looks like a modified upright. There is NO comparison between our bike and a 'comfort' bike.

It is also interesting that you feel so strongly about creationism considering that there were at least 6 companies at InterBike last year who had 'evolution' in their name or in their marketing literature. Why is it that the religious left can be blatant about their beliefs in commerce but the religious right can't?

By the way, have you ever seen a product in commerce that wasn't designed? I haven't.

It is a fact that there are some people who are not open to concepts outside their own frame of reference until they try it first, therefore our slogan: One ride and your eyes will be opened. By the way, I used to be an anti-creationist - be careful what you say.

Kelly

Big front wheels don't offer much on asphalt. Just adds weight that needs extra watts to push it uphills. And riding "without hands" proves neither design integrity or intelligent piloting.

Interesting... that's nearly word-for-word what was touted about the BigHa. Funny thing is, at nearly 50 pounds and costing over 3 grand, it's easy to understand why consumers havn't been beating down their door.

If however, your creation entices cagers to park the poluting tonnage and start helping the environment and themselves, then I sincerely hope you do well.

On asphalt that is true but when commuting through potholes and off curbs the larger wheel proves its merit. Riding without hands, in itself, means nothing but it's sure nice to know your steering is true. I am always concerned about bikes that have the stem on backwards or that have a spring from the front fender to the frame to help keep their wheel true. I think that does reflect a lack of design integrity. Thanks for your comments.

Oops, didn't know these were connected. I have never seen the marketing done by BigHa but this should help. Our 'recumbent' model weighs in at 34 pounds and costs under $900. It would definitely be more for trail and road. Our semi-recumbent model (uses 11" Velo saddle instead of the 17" custom seat) weighs about 31 pounds and costs less than $700. It has incredible balance and you can take it about anywhere. We had riders taking air at Bootleg Canyon! Thanks again!

What a bore. I could care less what your religious convictions may be or what you choose to ride. The bike in question is not even remotely built like a bent. It is a so-called comfort bike, plain and simple.

As for the vague references to so called "intelligent design" what a bunch of garbage. The evolutionary process is well understood and is a broadly accepted scientific fact. Creationism is nothing more than a ploy on the part of the religious right to have religion inserted into the US school curriculum. To do so is in direct violution of the US constitution that sets out separation of church and state. We are unimpressed with nucklehead understanding of the issue and will not have anything further to say on the matter. Your last statement sounded threatening to me. Is this what your sort do? Do you enjoy threatening those who disagree with you? No, don't bother answering. I'll just put you on my ignore list and be done with it. Oh, by the way, is this bike something you are selling? Your repeated references to "our bike" suggests that it is, a fact that did not come through your original posting.

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Yes, i noticed that also. Wonder why the deception? Here's his exact words:

Yeah, that had me wondering too. For the record, I am normally tolerant of people's beliefs. I just don't care to have them thrown in my face. I also think that there are better places to discuss religion than on websites selling bikes on the internet (or Cycling Forums, for that matter). Like, how smart is that? You wanna sell your bikes but then you lay on your religious views and in doing so alienate a vast proportion of your market segment with nutty creationist garbage. Then, to top it all off, you deceive everyone with misdirection about your involvement in the distribution of the bikes. Wierd. How do you spell poseur?

Charles

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"If something is worth doing, it's worth doing poorly."

"My other car's a Bianchi!"

First, Kelly writes:
then she writes:
My emphasis added. I'll point out in the above quotes that your first post failed to mention what your second post made more apparent, namely that you are connected with the bikes in question. Maker? Distributor? Dealer? It is traditional to make that claim at the outset; to do otherwise is considered misrepresentation. Your first post was, in fact, an advertisement. Notice how skillfully Charles revealed you! Having lost your credibility with your first post, now you are reduced to defending yourself instead of promoting your bike.

The bike in question still doesn't fit my definition of a bent because it uses a saddle instead of a seat. Or, as per the evolving BROL definition, if the seat adjusts primarily up/down, then it is an upright. I have to admit though, that it is crowding the definition otherwise. While I realize that semi-bents don't have a home on the Net and I don't have a big problem with them being here, I really don't like seeing them mis-represented as full bents. Riders of true bents laugh at any suggestion that anything with a saddle represents some sort of superior comfort - a saddle is the devil's invention, only to be endured when the rider's feet aren't far enough in front to allow the use of a real seat.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. (Until I think up a better one. )

blazingpedals,

Interestingly, the EVOX seat, while a saddle, does not adjust up and down. There is only a 2 inch stub it mounts upon. The seat boom adjusts in a forward/backward direction as would any bent. I think EVOX set up the seating as they did merely to save money in both R&D and production. I would love to change the seat, but I have concluded that to do so would be too big a production in exchange for the gains to be realized. Casting about for something to call the EVOX, I have settled on CLWB, as it seems to be very much like other CLWB bikes I have seen.

Cheers

Charles

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"If something is worth doing, it's worth doing poorly."

"My other car's a Bianchi!"

Where'd people get the notion EZ Sports don't climb well. I had that problem until I moved the seat forward enough to allow me to push back into the backrest while pedaling. Once I got this leverage, climbing was much easier. Also, the more I ride the EZ Sport, the more I realize that it is a real nice piece of equipment. Not a racer mind you, but a nice bike. bk