Theory / conjecture / erythrocytosis

Earlier there was question .. discussion as to the theory of .. lack of blood flow to the
intestines. This was is supported by many studies including evidenced based medicine of heparin
being quite useful in the treatment of intestinal disorder. Heparin being a blood 'thinner'
therefore allowing the blood to flow further into the tiny microvessels .. due to it NOW not being
so 'milkshake like'.

My theory being the same as your doctor who gives you iron to make more red blood cells . The
consumption of a high iron diet leads to .. more red blood cells.

Erythrocytosis. This leads to thicker blood .. and lack of blood flow through the tiny microvessels
which line the gut.

This is evidenced in the 25% of polycythemia / thick blood patients who manifest irritable bowel
syndrome / colitis , etc .

Erythrocytosis leads to .. anemia .. hemolytic anemia .. the same type of anemia the astronauts are
manifesting due to the free radicals / oxidative stress / radiation found in space. This leads to an
.. iron LOADING .. anemia.

1: Nutrition 2002 Oct;18(10):864-6 Related Articles, Links

Red blood cell and iron metabolism during space flight.

Smith SM.

Human Adaptation and Countermeasures Office, NASA Johnson Space Center, Houston, Texas 77058, USA.
scott.m.smith1@jsc.nasa.gov

Space flight anemia is a widely recognized phenomenon in astronauts. Reduction in circulating red
blood cells and plasma volume results in a 10% to 15% decrement in circulatory volume. This effect
appears to be a normal physiologic adaptation to weightlessness and results from the removal of
newly released blood cells from the circulation. Iron availability increases, and (in the few
subjects studied) iron stores increase during long-duration space flight. The consequences of these
changes are not fully understood.

Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial

PMID: 12361780 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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This article shows clearly there is an underlying .. elevated red blood cell count / erythrocytosis
.. in this problem of intestinal disorder.

Br J Haematol 2002 Apr;117(1):47-53

Serum erythropoietin values in erythrocytoses and in primary thrombocythaemia.

Messinezy M, Westwood NB, El-Hemaidi I, Marsden JT, Sherwood RS, Pearson TC Department of
Haematological Medicine and Department of Clinical Pathology, Guy's, King's and St Thomas' School of
Medicine, London, UK.

Serum erythropoietin (Epo) values were estimated in samples from 125 patients with erythrocytosis to
examine the specificity and sensitivity of reduced and raised values in the diagnosis of
polycythaemia vera (PV) and secondary erythrocytosis (SE) respectively. Additionally, Epo values
were estimated in samples from 49 patients with primary thrombocythaemia (PT) to determine whether
Epo values were altered. We found high specificity (92%) and moderate sensitivity (64%) of low serum
Epo values (below the reference range) in the diagnosis of PV, and also poor sensitivity (47%) of
raised Epo values in the diagnosis of SE. Raised Epo values were not observed in PV patients with Hb
> 14.0 g/dl and were only observed in one PV patient with a relatively low Hb recovering from a
gastro-intestinal haemorrhage. Raised Epo values occurred in some patients with apparent
erythrocytosis (AE) and idiopathic erythrocytosis (IE), mainly at normal (rather than raised) Hb
values (< 16 g/dl). Low Epo values occurred in a few AE, IE and SE patients at higher Hb values (>
16 g/dl). Low Epo values were less specific for PV when the Hb was raised, while raised Epo values
were less specific for SE when the Hb was not raised. Approximately one third of patients with PT
had a low (below the reference range) Epo value, this being associated with a high normal Hb (> 14
g/dl, P < 0.001) and showing a trend towards association with absence of treatment. The high normal
Hb values were in turn associated with an increased incidence of thrombotic events (P < 0.05). These
findings could influence the future investigation and management of PT patients.

PMID: 11918532, UI: 21916492

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As evidenced this leads to swelling .. edema .. vascular thrombosis ..

This article shows clearly the EXTENT of too many red blood cells in the body.

Polycythemia .. raises red blood cell count / erythrocytosis .

J Pediatr 1984 Nov;105(5):804-9 Kunstmann G Necrotizing enterocolitis (NEC) is an extremely severe
clinical entity in whose pathogenesis at least two of the following factors are involved: intestinal
ischaemia, pathogenic bacterial colonization and excessive substrate in the intestinal contents.
Common risk factors are prematurity, rapid increase of feeding volume, polycythemia and perinatal
asphyxia. Clinical features are abdominal distention, gastric retention, bloody stools and
intestinal wall pneumatosis; while its complications are bowel perforation, peritonitis and shock.
Early diagnosis allows prompt medical treatment based upon intestinal rest, no oral feeding,
parenteral hydration and nutrition, nasogastric intubation, broad spectrum antibiotics and close
surveillance. Surgery is kept to treat complications. Prevention includes feeding with human milk in
prematures with slow increase of partial and total volumes, early initial fastening in cases of
asphyxia and careful and close surveillance of high-risk newborns.

PMID: 2485516, UI: 91018694

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Necrotizing enterocolitis can be caused by polycythemic hyperviscosity in the newborn dog.

LeBlanc MH, D'Cruz C, Pate K Although necrotizing enterocolitis has been associated with
polycythemia in human infants, a causal relationship has not been established. Forty-six
unanesthetized puppies were studied (age 6 to 14 days). Normovolemic polycythemia (Hct 0.70) was
induced in 19 pups by exchange transfusion with 75 ml/kg packed red blood cells. Hypervolemic
polycythemia (Hct 0.70) was induced in 14 pups by transfusion with 50 ml/kg RBC. Thirteen pups
received exchange transfusion with whole blood and served as controls (Hct 0.40). Gross autopsy was
performed on all pups 24 hours after transfusion or at death. Necrotizing enterocolitis was defined
as areas of violaceous discoloration of the bowel associated with blood in the intestinal lumen.
Although lesions appeared throughout the bowel in some pups, involvement of the distal small bowel
was most common. Diagnosis was confirmed by microscopic examination. Both gross and microscopic
lesions appeared similar to those in necrotizing enterocolitis in human infants. The disorder was
seen in 11 of 19 pups with normovolemic polycythemia, eight of 14 pups with hypervolemic
polycythemia, and only one of 13 control animals (P less than .01). Polycythemia can cause
necrotizing enterocolitis in the newborn dog.

PMID: 6502314, UI: 85057407

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Low iron diet is known to reduce erythrocytosis.

http://herbivore.7h.com/erythrocytosis.htm

Who loves ya. Tom
--
Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore!
http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore

Hi Tom, see you haven't changed you theories on Iron. How are you feeling? UM MOM Susan
"ironjustice" <thennesy@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
news:wGP4a.94223$Q_1.2225540@news2.telusplanet.net...
> Earlier there was question .. discussion as to the theory of .. lack of blood flow to the
> intestines. This was is supported by many studies including evidenced based medicine of heparin
> being quite useful in the treatment of intestinal disorder. Heparin being a blood 'thinner'
> therefore allowing the blood to flow
further
> into the tiny microvessels .. due to it NOW not being so 'milkshake like'.
>
> My theory being the same as your doctor who gives you iron to make more
red
> blood cells . The consumption of a high iron diet leads to .. more red blood cells.
>
> Erythrocytosis. This leads to thicker blood .. and lack of blood flow through the tiny
> microvessels which line the gut.
>
> This is evidenced in the 25% of polycythemia / thick blood patients who manifest irritable bowel
> syndrome / colitis , etc .
>
> Erythrocytosis leads to .. anemia .. hemolytic anemia .. the same type of anemia the astronauts
> are manifesting due to the free radicals / oxidative stress / radiation found in space. This leads
> to an .. iron LOADING .. anemia.
>
> 1: Nutrition 2002 Oct;18(10):864-6 Related Articles, Links
>
>
> Red blood cell and iron metabolism during space flight.
>
> Smith SM.
>
> Human Adaptation and Countermeasures Office, NASA Johnson Space Center, Houston, Texas 77058, USA.
> scott.m.smith1@jsc.nasa.gov
>
> Space flight anemia is a widely recognized phenomenon in astronauts. Reduction in circulating red
> blood cells and plasma volume results in a
10%
> to 15% decrement in circulatory volume. This effect appears to be a normal physiologic adaptation
> to weightlessness and results from the removal of newly released blood cells from the circulation.
> Iron availability increases, and (in the few subjects studied) iron stores increase during
> long-duration space flight. The consequences of these changes are not
fully
> understood.
>
> Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial
>
> PMID: 12361780 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ----
>
>
>
> This article shows clearly there is an underlying .. elevated red blood
cell
> count / erythrocytosis .. in this problem of intestinal disorder.
>
> Br J Haematol 2002 Apr;117(1):47-53
>
>
>
> Serum erythropoietin values in erythrocytoses and in primary thrombocythaemia.
>
> Messinezy M, Westwood NB, El-Hemaidi I, Marsden JT, Sherwood RS, Pearson
TC
> Department of Haematological Medicine and Department of Clinical
Pathology,
> Guy's, King's and St Thomas' School of Medicine, London, UK.
>
> Serum erythropoietin (Epo) values were estimated in samples from 125 patients with erythrocytosis
> to examine the specificity and sensitivity of reduced and raised values in the diagnosis of
> polycythaemia vera (PV) and secondary erythrocytosis (SE) respectively. Additionally, Epo values
> were estimated in samples from 49 patients with primary thrombocythaemia (PT)
to
> determine whether Epo values were altered. We found high specificity (92%) and moderate
> sensitivity (64%) of low serum Epo values (below the
reference
> range) in the diagnosis of PV, and also poor sensitivity (47%) of raised
Epo
> values in the diagnosis of SE. Raised Epo values were not observed in PV patients with Hb > 14.0
> g/dl and were only observed in one PV patient with
a
> relatively low Hb recovering from a gastro-intestinal haemorrhage. Raised Epo values occurred in
> some patients with apparent erythrocytosis (AE) and idiopathic erythrocytosis (IE), mainly at
> normal (rather than raised) Hb values (< 16 g/dl). Low Epo values occurred in a few AE, IE and SE
patients
> at higher Hb values (> 16 g/dl). Low Epo values were less specific for PV when the Hb was raised,
> while raised Epo values were less specific for SE when the Hb was not raised. Approximately one
> third of patients with PT
had
> a low (below the reference range) Epo value, this being associated with a high normal Hb (> 14
> g/dl, P < 0.001) and showing a trend towards association with absence of treatment. The high
> normal Hb values were in turn associated with an increased incidence of thrombotic events (P <
.05).
> These findings could influence the future investigation and management of
PT
> patients.
>
> PMID: 11918532, UI: 21916492
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ----
>
> As evidenced this leads to swelling .. edema .. vascular thrombosis ..
>
> This article shows clearly the EXTENT of too many red blood cells in the body.
>
> Polycythemia .. raises red blood cell count / erythrocytosis .
>
>
> J Pediatr 1984 Nov;105(5):804-9 Kunstmann G Necrotizing enterocolitis (NEC) is an extremely severe
> clinical entity in whose pathogenesis at least two of the following factors are involved:
> intestinal ischaemia, pathogenic bacterial colonization and excessive substrate in the intestinal
> contents. Common risk factors are prematurity, rapid increase of feeding volume, polycythemia and
> perinatal asphyxia. Clinical features are abdominal distention, gastric retention, bloody
stools
> and intestinal wall pneumatosis; while its complications are bowel perforation, peritonitis and
> shock. Early diagnosis allows prompt medical treatment based upon intestinal rest, no oral
> feeding, parenteral
hydration
> and nutrition, nasogastric intubation, broad spectrum antibiotics and
close
> surveillance. Surgery is kept to treat complications. Prevention includes feeding with human milk
> in prematures with slow increase of partial and total volumes, early initial fastening in cases of
> asphyxia and careful
and
> close surveillance of high-risk newborns.
>
> PMID: 2485516, UI: 91018694
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ----
>
> Necrotizing enterocolitis can be caused by polycythemic hyperviscosity in the newborn dog.
>
> LeBlanc MH, D'Cruz C, Pate K Although necrotizing enterocolitis has been associated with
> polycythemia
in
> human infants, a causal relationship has not been established. Forty-six unanesthetized puppies
> were studied (age 6 to 14 days). Normovolemic polycythemia (Hct 0.70) was induced in 19 pups by
> exchange transfusion
with
> 75 ml/kg packed red blood cells. Hypervolemic polycythemia (Hct 0.70) was induced in 14 pups by
> transfusion with 50 ml/kg RBC. Thirteen pups
received
> exchange transfusion with whole blood and served as controls (Hct 0.40). Gross autopsy was
> performed on all pups 24 hours after transfusion or at death. Necrotizing enterocolitis was
> defined as areas of violaceous discoloration of the bowel associated with blood in the intestinal
> lumen. Although lesions appeared throughout the bowel in some pups, involvement
of
> the distal small bowel was most common. Diagnosis was confirmed by microscopic examination. Both
> gross and microscopic lesions appeared
similar
> to those in necrotizing enterocolitis in human infants. The disorder was seen in 11 of 19 pups
> with normovolemic polycythemia, eight of 14 pups
with
> hypervolemic polycythemia, and only one of 13 control animals (P less than .01). Polycythemia can
> cause necrotizing enterocolitis in the newborn
dog.
>
> PMID: 6502314, UI: 85057407
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ----
>
> Low iron diet is known to reduce erythrocytosis.
>
> http://herbivore.7h.com/erythrocytosis.htm
>
> Who loves ya. Tom
> --
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore!
> http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore

Tommy:
>Heparin being a blood 'thinner' therefore allowing the blood to flow
further
>into the tiny microvessels .. due to it NOW not being so 'milkshake like'.

If you had the slightest idea what you are cutting and pasting, you'd know that "blood thinner"
refers to coagulability and not viscosity. But, in biology as in religion, as in English grammar,
you know nothing of what you try to speak.

Get back on your medicine regimen and leave the adults alone.

--
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slenon@tampabay.rr.com http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

sdores <sdores@myacc.net> wrote in message news:b30h3q$1gqqgm$1@ID-132317.news.dfncis.de...
> Hi Tom, see you haven't changed you theories on Iron. How are you
feeling?

I was thinking of you when I posted it .. due to the edema ..

I am feeling good ..

Who loves ya. Tom

> UM MOM Susan "ironjustice" <thennesy@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
> news:wGP4a.94223$Q_1.2225540@news2.telusplanet.net...
> > Earlier there was question .. discussion as to the theory of .. lack of blood flow to the
> > intestines. This was is supported by many studies including evidenced based medicine of heparin
> > being quite useful in the treatment of intestinal disorder. Heparin being a blood 'thinner'
> > therefore allowing the blood to flow
> further
> > into the tiny microvessels .. due to it NOW not being so 'milkshake
like'.
> >
> > My theory being the same as your doctor who gives you iron to make more
> red
> > blood cells . The consumption of a high iron diet leads to .. more red blood cells.
> >
> > Erythrocytosis. This leads to thicker blood .. and lack of blood flow through the tiny
> > microvessels which line the gut.
> >
> > This is evidenced in the 25% of polycythemia / thick blood patients who manifest irritable bowel
> > syndrome / colitis , etc .
> >
> > Erythrocytosis leads to .. anemia .. hemolytic anemia .. the same type
of
> > anemia the astronauts are manifesting due to the free radicals /
oxidative
> > stress / radiation found in space. This leads to an .. iron LOADING .. anemia.
> >
> > 1: Nutrition 2002 Oct;18(10):864-6 Related Articles, Links
> >
> >
> > Red blood cell and iron metabolism during space flight.
> >
> > Smith SM.
> >
> > Human Adaptation and Countermeasures Office, NASA Johnson Space Center, Houston, Texas 77058,
> > USA. scott.m.smith1@jsc.nasa.gov
> >
> > Space flight anemia is a widely recognized phenomenon in astronauts. Reduction in circulating
> > red blood cells and plasma volume results in a
> 10%
> > to 15% decrement in circulatory volume. This effect appears to be a
normal
> > physiologic adaptation to weightlessness and results from the removal of newly released blood
> > cells from the circulation. Iron availability increases, and (in the few subjects studied) iron
> > stores increase during long-duration space flight. The consequences of these changes are not
> fully
> > understood.
> >
> > Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial
> >
> > PMID: 12361780 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > ----
> >
> >
> >
> > This article shows clearly there is an underlying .. elevated red blood
> cell
> > count / erythrocytosis .. in this problem of intestinal disorder.
> >
> > Br J Haematol 2002 Apr;117(1):47-53
> >
> >
> >
> > Serum erythropoietin values in erythrocytoses and in primary thrombocythaemia.
> >
> > Messinezy M, Westwood NB, El-Hemaidi I, Marsden JT, Sherwood RS, Pearson
> TC
> > Department of Haematological Medicine and Department of Clinical
> Pathology,
> > Guy's, King's and St Thomas' School of Medicine, London, UK.
> >
> > Serum erythropoietin (Epo) values were estimated in samples from 125 patients with
> > erythrocytosis to examine the specificity and sensitivity
of
> > reduced and raised values in the diagnosis of polycythaemia vera (PV)
and
> > secondary erythrocytosis (SE) respectively. Additionally, Epo values
were
> > estimated in samples from 49 patients with primary thrombocythaemia (PT)
> to
> > determine whether Epo values were altered. We found high specificity
(92%)
> > and moderate sensitivity (64%) of low serum Epo values (below the
> reference
> > range) in the diagnosis of PV, and also poor sensitivity (47%) of raised
> Epo
> > values in the diagnosis of SE. Raised Epo values were not observed in PV patients with Hb > 14.0
> > g/dl and were only observed in one PV patient
with
> a
> > relatively low Hb recovering from a gastro-intestinal haemorrhage.
Raised
> > Epo values occurred in some patients with apparent erythrocytosis (AE)
and
> > idiopathic erythrocytosis (IE), mainly at normal (rather than raised) Hb values (< 16 g/dl). Low
> > Epo values occurred in a few AE, IE and SE
> patients
> > at higher Hb values (> 16 g/dl). Low Epo values were less specific for
PV
> > when the Hb was raised, while raised Epo values were less specific for
SE
> > when the Hb was not raised. Approximately one third of patients with PT
> had
> > a low (below the reference range) Epo value, this being associated with
a
> > high normal Hb (> 14 g/dl, P < 0.001) and showing a trend towards association with absence of
> > treatment. The high normal Hb values were in turn associated with an increased incidence of
> > thrombotic events (P <
> .05).
> > These findings could influence the future investigation and management
of
> PT
> > patients.
> >
> > PMID: 11918532, UI: 21916492
> >
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > ----
> >
> > As evidenced this leads to swelling .. edema .. vascular thrombosis ..
> >
> > This article shows clearly the EXTENT of too many red blood cells in the body.
> >
> > Polycythemia .. raises red blood cell count / erythrocytosis .
> >
> >
> > J Pediatr 1984 Nov;105(5):804-9 Kunstmann G Necrotizing enterocolitis (NEC) is an extremely
> > severe clinical entity
in
> > whose pathogenesis at least two of the following factors are involved: intestinal ischaemia,
> > pathogenic bacterial colonization and excessive substrate in the intestinal contents. Common
> > risk factors are
prematurity,
> > rapid increase of feeding volume, polycythemia and perinatal asphyxia. Clinical features are
> > abdominal distention, gastric retention, bloody
> stools
> > and intestinal wall pneumatosis; while its complications are bowel perforation, peritonitis and
> > shock. Early diagnosis allows prompt
medical
> > treatment based upon intestinal rest, no oral feeding, parenteral
> hydration
> > and nutrition, nasogastric intubation, broad spectrum antibiotics and
> close
> > surveillance. Surgery is kept to treat complications. Prevention
includes
> > feeding with human milk in prematures with slow increase of partial and total volumes, early
> > initial fastening in cases of asphyxia and careful
> and
> > close surveillance of high-risk newborns.
> >
> > PMID: 2485516, UI: 91018694
> >
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > ----
> >
> > Necrotizing enterocolitis can be caused by polycythemic hyperviscosity
in
> > the newborn dog.
> >
> > LeBlanc MH, D'Cruz C, Pate K Although necrotizing enterocolitis has been associated with
> > polycythemia
> in
> > human infants, a causal relationship has not been established. Forty-six unanesthetized puppies
> > were studied (age 6 to 14 days). Normovolemic polycythemia (Hct 0.70) was induced in 19 pups by
> > exchange transfusion
> with
> > 75 ml/kg packed red blood cells. Hypervolemic polycythemia (Hct 0.70)
was
> > induced in 14 pups by transfusion with 50 ml/kg RBC. Thirteen pups
> received
> > exchange transfusion with whole blood and served as controls (Hct 0.40). Gross autopsy was
> > performed on all pups 24 hours after transfusion or at death. Necrotizing enterocolitis was
> > defined as areas of violaceous discoloration of the bowel associated with blood in the
> > intestinal
lumen.
> > Although lesions appeared throughout the bowel in some pups, involvement
> of
> > the distal small bowel was most common. Diagnosis was confirmed by microscopic examination. Both
> > gross and microscopic lesions appeared
> similar
> > to those in necrotizing enterocolitis in human infants. The disorder was seen in 11 of 19 pups
> > with normovolemic polycythemia, eight of 14 pups
> with
> > hypervolemic polycythemia, and only one of 13 control animals (P less
than
> > .01). Polycythemia can cause necrotizing enterocolitis in the newborn
> dog.
> >
> > PMID: 6502314, UI: 85057407
> >
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > ----
> >
> > Low iron diet is known to reduce erythrocytosis.
> >
> > http://herbivore.7h.com/erythrocytosis.htm
> >
> > Who loves ya. Tom
> > --
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore!
http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore
> >
> >
>

(Gawd), how many handles does this guy have??? jeffy

"sdores" <sdores@myacc.net> wrote in message news:b30h3q$1gqqgm$1@ID-132317.news.dfncis.de...
> Hi Tom, see you haven't changed you theories on Iron. How are you
feeling?
> UM MOM Susan "ironjustice" <thennesy@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
> news:wGP4a.94223$Q_1.2225540@news2.telusplanet.net...
> > Earlier there was question .. discussion as to the theory of .. lack of blood flow to the
> > intestines. This was is supported by many studies including evidenced based medicine of heparin
> > being quite useful in the treatment of intestinal disorder. Heparin being a blood 'thinner'
> > therefore allowing the blood to flow
> further
> > into the tiny microvessels .. due to it NOW not being so 'milkshake
like'.
> >
> > My theory being the same as your doctor who gives you iron to make more
> red
> > blood cells . The consumption of a high iron diet leads to .. more red blood cells.
> >
> > Erythrocytosis. This leads to thicker blood .. and lack of blood flow through the tiny
> > microvessels which line the gut.
> >
> > This is evidenced in the 25% of polycythemia / thick blood patients who manifest irritable bowel
> > syndrome / colitis , etc .
> >
> > Erythrocytosis leads to .. anemia .. hemolytic anemia .. the same type
of
> > anemia the astronauts are manifesting due to the free radicals /
oxidative
> > stress / radiation found in space. This leads to an .. iron LOADING .. anemia.
> >
> > 1: Nutrition 2002 Oct;18(10):864-6 Related Articles, Links
> >
> >
> > Red blood cell and iron metabolism during space flight.
> >
> > Smith SM.
> >
> > Human Adaptation and Countermeasures Office, NASA Johnson Space Center, Houston, Texas 77058,
> > USA. scott.m.smith1@jsc.nasa.gov
> >
> > Space flight anemia is a widely recognized phenomenon in astronauts. Reduction in circulating
> > red blood cells and plasma volume results in a
> 10%
> > to 15% decrement in circulatory volume. This effect appears to be a norm
al
> > physiologic adaptation to weightlessness and results from the removal of newly released blood
> > cells from the circulation. Iron availability increases, and (in the few subjects studied) iron
> > stores increase during long-duration space flight. The consequences of these changes are not
> fully
> > understood.
> >
> > Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial
> >
> > PMID: 12361780 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > ----
> >
> >
> >
> > This article shows clearly there is an underlying .. elevated red blood
> cell
> > count / erythrocytosis .. in this problem of intestinal disorder.
> >
> > Br J Haematol 2002 Apr;117(1):47-53
> >
> >
> >
> > Serum erythropoietin values in erythrocytoses and in primary thrombocythaemia.
> >
> > Messinezy M, Westwood NB, El-Hemaidi I, Marsden JT, Sherwood RS, Pearson
> TC
> > Department of Haematological Medicine and Department of Clinical
> Pathology,
> > Guy's, King's and St Thomas' School of Medicine, London, UK.
> >
> > Serum erythropoietin (Epo) values were estimated in samples from 125 patients with
> > erythrocytosis to examine the specificity and sensitivity
of
> > reduced and raised values in the diagnosis of polycythaemia vera (PV)
and
> > secondary erythrocytosis (SE) respectively. Additionally, Epo values
were
> > estimated in samples from 49 patients with primary thrombocythaemia (PT)
> to
> > determine whether Epo values were altered. We found high specificity
(92%)
> > and moderate sensitivity (64%) of low serum Epo values (below the
> reference
> > range) in the diagnosis of PV, and also poor sensitivity (47%) of raised
> Epo
> > values in the diagnosis of SE. Raised Epo values were not observed in PV patients with Hb > 14.0
> > g/dl and were only observed in one PV patient
with
> a
> > relatively low Hb recovering from a gastro-intestinal haemorrhage.
Raised
> > Epo values occurred in some patients with apparent erythrocytosis (AE)
and
> > idiopathic erythrocytosis (IE), mainly at normal (rather than raised) Hb values (< 16 g/dl). Low
> > Epo values occurred in a few AE, IE and SE
> patients
> > at higher Hb values (> 16 g/dl). Low Epo values were less specific for
PV
> > when the Hb was raised, while raised Epo values were less specific for
SE
> > when the Hb was not raised. Approximately one third of patients with PT
> had
> > a low (below the reference range) Epo value, this being associated with
a
> > high normal Hb (> 14 g/dl, P < 0.001) and showing a trend towards association with absence of
> > treatment. The high normal Hb values were in turn associated with an increased incidence of
> > thrombotic events (P <
> .05).
> > These findings could influence the future investigation and management
of
> PT
> > patients.
> >
> > PMID: 11918532, UI: 21916492
> >
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > ----
> >
> > As evidenced this leads to swelling .. edema .. vascular thrombosis ..
> >
> > This article shows clearly the EXTENT of too many red blood cells in the body.
> >
> > Polycythemia .. raises red blood cell count / erythrocytosis .
> >
> >
> > J Pediatr 1984 Nov;105(5):804-9 Kunstmann G Necrotizing enterocolitis (NEC) is an extremely
> > severe clinical entity
in
> > whose pathogenesis at least two of the following factors are involved: intestinal ischaemia,
> > pathogenic bacterial colonization and excessive substrate in the intestinal contents. Common
> > risk factors are
prematurity,
> > rapid increase of feeding volume, polycythemia and perinatal asphyxia. Clinical features are
> > abdominal distention, gastric retention, bloody
> stools
> > and intestinal wall pneumatosis; while its complications are bowel perforation, peritonitis and
> > shock. Early diagnosis allows prompt
medical
> > treatment based upon intestinal rest, no oral feeding, parenteral
> hydration
> > and nutrition, nasogastric intubation, broad spectrum antibiotics and
> close
> > surveillance. Surgery is kept to treat complications. Prevention
includes
> > feeding with human milk in prematures with slow increase of partial and total volumes, early
> > initial fastening in cases of asphyxia and careful
> and
> > close surveillance of high-risk newborns.
> >
> > PMID: 2485516, UI: 91018694
> >
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > ----
> >
> > Necrotizing enterocolitis can be caused by polycythemic hyperviscosity
in
> > the newborn dog.
> >
> > LeBlanc MH, D'Cruz C, Pate K Although necrotizing enterocolitis has been associated with
> > polycythemia
> in
> > human infants, a causal relationship has not been established. Forty-six unanesthetized puppies
> > were studied (age 6 to 14 days). Normovolemic polycythemia (Hct 0.70) was induced in 19 pups by
> > exchange transfusion
> with
> > 75 ml/kg packed red blood cells. Hypervolemic polycythemia (Hct 0.70)
was
> > induced in 14 pups by transfusion with 50 ml/kg RBC. Thirteen pups
> received
> > exchange transfusion with whole blood and served as controls (Hct 0.40). Gross autopsy was
> > performed on all pups 24 hours after transfusion or at death. Necrotizing enterocolitis was
> > defined as areas of violaceous discoloration of the bowel associated with blood in the
> > intestinal
lumen.
> > Although lesions appeared throughout the bowel in some pups, involvement
> of
> > the distal small bowel was most common. Diagnosis was confirmed by microscopic examination. Both
> > gross and microscopic lesions appeared
> similar
> > to those in necrotizing enterocolitis in human infants. The disorder was seen in 11 of 19 pups
> > with normovolemic polycythemia, eight of 14 pups
> with
> > hypervolemic polycythemia, and only one of 13 control animals (P less
than
> > .01). Polycythemia can cause necrotizing enterocolitis in the newborn
> dog.
> >
> > PMID: 6502314, UI: 85057407
> >
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > ----
> >
> > Low iron diet is known to reduce erythrocytosis.
> >
> > http://herbivore.7h.com/erythrocytosis.htm
> >
> > Who loves ya. Tom
> > --
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore!
http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore
> >
> >
>

slenon <slenon@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Tommy:
> >Heparin being a blood 'thinner' therefore allowing the blood to flow
> further
> >into the tiny microvessels .. due to it NOW not being so 'milkshake
like'.
>
> If you had the slightest idea what you are cutting and pasting, you'd know that "blood thinner"
> refers to coagulability and not viscosity. But, in biology as in religion, as in English grammar,
> you know nothing of what
you
> try to speak.

Oh .. it is a question of .. semantics .. is that related at all to semetic .. because THAT is the
only relationship YOU have to this thread ..

It is on a crohns / colitis list .. and you are a Jewish lab tech with an agenda ..

Know thyself ..

Who loves ya. Tom
--
Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore!
http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore

Tom this is posted to the crohns-colitis group who has many Jewish people who post here so please
don't do say this person "you are a Jewish lab tech with an
> agenda .." It gets no one anywhere except to upset a lot who already have
enough to deal with. Thanks. UM MOM Susan

"ironjustice" <thennesy@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
news:PXS4a.95895$Q_1.2301943@news2.telusplanet.net...
>
> slenon <slenon@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:6tQ4a.10237$bZ5.144567@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> > Tommy:
> > >Heparin being a blood 'thinner' therefore allowing the blood to flow
> > further
> > >into the tiny microvessels .. due to it NOW not being so 'milkshake
> like'.
> >
> > If you had the slightest idea what you are cutting and pasting, you'd
know
> > that "blood thinner" refers to coagulability and not viscosity. But, in biology as in religion,
> > as in English grammar, you know nothing of what
> you
> > try to speak.
>
> Oh .. it is a question of .. semantics .. is that related at all to
semetic
> .. because THAT is the only relationship YOU have to this thread ..
>
> It is on a crohns / colitis list .. and you are a Jewish lab tech with an agenda ..
>
> Know thyself ..
>
> Who loves ya. Tom
> --
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore!
> http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore

Tommy:
>We are on a medical newsgroup .. Got anything to say as to the thread .. ?

Yes. You are absolutely incorrect.

You are in desparate need of inpatient therapy for your apparent paranoid-schizophrenia.

You equate iron with biological, medical, and social evils based upon your blatant misinterpretation
of scripture and your attempts to puzzle out hidden meanings in Hebrew when you are unable to read
or speak the language.

You claim to have been awarded Nobel Prizes in medicine and to have cured multiple diseases when any
rational person knows these claims to be utterly false.

You are a widely known and widely laughed at cross-posting annoyance who has been repeatedly
terminated by ISP's for violation of TOS, making physical threats of violence, and other libelous
and slanderous behavior.

Shall I continue to point out what is commonly known about you, or shall you crawl off to lick your
wounds, alone, in your foul little den of misunderstanding?

And, lastly, thanks again for displaying what an unlearned, biggoted, paranoid you actually are.

--
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slenon@tampabay.rr.com http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

Tom and I go back to when I first started posting to the crohn's colitis site and a bad flame war
started. I don't agree with the iron excess and he knows it but I believe in being civil to him and
most others. UM MOM Susan "slenon" <slenon@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:TE65a.4060$163.109855@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> >Would you all delete the crohns-colitis site when >you respond to this
> thread? Thank you in >advance. UM MOM Susan
>
> Rather, I'd suggest you killfile Tommy anti-ferrous.
>
>
> --
> Stev Lenon MT(ASCP) Confused? Listen to the music play! Save a cow, eat a PETA member
> slenon@tampabay.rr.com http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

Tom and I go back to when I first started posting to the crohn's colitis site and a bad flame war
started. I don't agree with the iron excess and he knows it but I believe in being civil to him and
most others. UM MOM Susan "slenon" <slenon@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:TE65a.4060$163.109855@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> >Would you all delete the crohns-colitis site when >you respond to this
> thread? Thank you in >advance. UM MOM Susan
>
> Rather, I'd suggest you killfile Tommy anti-ferrous.
>
>
> --
> Stev Lenon MT(ASCP) Confused? Listen to the music play! Save a cow, eat a PETA member
> slenon@tampabay.rr.com http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

Tom and I go back to when I first started posting to the crohn's colitis site and a bad flame war
started. I don't agree with the iron excess and he knows it but I believe in being civil to him and
most others. UM MOM Susan "slenon" <slenon@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:TE65a.4060$163.109855@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> >Would you all delete the crohns-colitis site when >you respond to this
> thread? Thank you in >advance. UM MOM Susan
>
> Rather, I'd suggest you killfile Tommy anti-ferrous.
>
>
> --
> Stev Lenon MT(ASCP) Confused? Listen to the music play! Save a cow, eat a PETA member
> slenon@tampabay.rr.com http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

Tom I do have acute edema, cd, and a lot of extras but one thing I don't have his heart problems. It
is working excellentantly. (know on wood.........Hard) UM MOM Susan "ironjustice"
<thennesy@telusplanet.net> wrote in message news:3Y65a.101544$Q_1.2502860@news2.telusplanet.net...
>
> slenon <slenon@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:TE65a.4060$163.109855@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> > >Would you all delete the crohns-colitis site when >you respond to this
> > thread? Thank you in >advance. UM MOM Susan
> >
> > Rather, I'd suggest you killfile Tommy anti-ferrous.
>
> Is that right ..
>
> So since sdores .. has edema .. heart problems .. and the fact the post SPECIFICALLY speaks to the
> treatment of edema and heart problems and their treatment with the lowering of the red blood cell
> count .. the thinning of the blood .. making it run more easily in the veins reperfusing areas of
the
> body that haven't seen the light of blood in ages .. is .. irrelevant .. ?
>
> You making light of a treatment regimen which EVERY SINGLE DOCTOR IN THE WORLD knows about .. is
> .. what .. ?
>
> Support .. ?
>
> In YOUR .. dreams .. maybe ..
>
> Take your agenda .. and stick it ..
>
> Steve ..
>
> Who loves ya. Tom
> --
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore!
> http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore

Tom I do have acute edema, cd, and a lot of extras but one thing I don't have his heart problems. It
is working excellentantly. (know on wood.........Hard) UM MOM Susan "ironjustice"
<thennesy@telusplanet.net> wrote in message news:3Y65a.101544$Q_1.2502860@news2.telusplanet.net...
>
> slenon <slenon@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:TE65a.4060$163.109855@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> > >Would you all delete the crohns-colitis site when >you respond to this
> > thread? Thank you in >advance. UM MOM Susan
> >
> > Rather, I'd suggest you killfile Tommy anti-ferrous.
>
> Is that right ..
>
> So since sdores .. has edema .. heart problems .. and the fact the post SPECIFICALLY speaks to the
> treatment of edema and heart problems and their treatment with the lowering of the red blood cell
> count .. the thinning of the blood .. making it run more easily in the veins reperfusing areas of
the
> body that haven't seen the light of blood in ages .. is .. irrelevant .. ?
>
> You making light of a treatment regimen which EVERY SINGLE DOCTOR IN THE WORLD knows about .. is
> .. what .. ?
>
> Support .. ?
>
> In YOUR .. dreams .. maybe ..
>
> Take your agenda .. and stick it ..
>
> Steve ..
>
> Who loves ya. Tom
> --
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore!
> http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore

Tom I do have acute edema, cd, and a lot of extras but one thing I don't have his heart problems. It
is working excellentantly. (know on wood.........Hard) UM MOM Susan "ironjustice"
<thennesy@telusplanet.net> wrote in message news:3Y65a.101544$Q_1.2502860@news2.telusplanet.net...
>
> slenon <slenon@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:TE65a.4060$163.109855@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> > >Would you all delete the crohns-colitis site when >you respond to this
> > thread? Thank you in >advance. UM MOM Susan
> >
> > Rather, I'd suggest you killfile Tommy anti-ferrous.
>
> Is that right ..
>
> So since sdores .. has edema .. heart problems .. and the fact the post SPECIFICALLY speaks to the
> treatment of edema and heart problems and their treatment with the lowering of the red blood cell
> count .. the thinning of the blood .. making it run more easily in the veins reperfusing areas of
the
> body that haven't seen the light of blood in ages .. is .. irrelevant .. ?
>
> You making light of a treatment regimen which EVERY SINGLE DOCTOR IN THE WORLD knows about .. is
> .. what .. ?
>
> Support .. ?
>
> In YOUR .. dreams .. maybe ..
>
> Take your agenda .. and stick it ..
>
> Steve ..
>
> Who loves ya. Tom
> --
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore!
> http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore

Tommy:
>and the fact the post SPECIFICALLY speaks to the treatment of edema and
heart problems and their
>treatment with the lowering of the red blood cell count .. the thinning of the blood .. making it
>run more easily in the veins reperfusing areas of
the
>body that haven't seen the light of blood in ages .. is .. irrelevant .. ?

Every word you post in this thread just deepens the hole you are digging to bury yourself and
displays your massive lack of comprehension of all things medical, biological, and grammatical.

once more, viscosity and coagulability are not synonymous. Women do not rust, as you have claimed in
another of your tirades. And it is, as always, apparent that you haven't the slightest comprehension
of any of the material you cut and paste. Where do you store your Nobel? Or did they keep it in the
locked ward when you left?

--
Stev Lenon MT(ASCP) Confused? Listen to the music play! Save a cow, eat a PETA member
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