any one tried sportlegs?

acoggan

Actually, most people go for the journal they see as having the biggest impact in their field - and I have to say, having never heard of the Journal of Wilderness Medicine myself, that I wonder if the paper was reviewed by anybody who knows anything about this area.

shming123

i would just like to say that i think that SportLegs really works! I just completed my 1st race yesterday and i gave it everything i had! i tried it for the first time yesterday before the race and I don't really know if it helped me during the race or not, probably did though.. but in all the excitement, i didn't even stretch afterwards and got in the car to drive 2 hrs. home and felt great for the rest of the day. Now, i woke up this morning, and im not even the slightest bit sore whatsoever! I am shocked! I don't feel fatigued or anything and i don't even feel like i rode yesterday!

SportLegs

Shming, thanks for sharing your experience. Results like yours are why we make SportLegs, and keep trying to tell our story, despite the persistent skepticism of certain academicians. You think they'd be more interested in furthering knowledge, not quashing it. We're fortunate that open-minded folks like you are willing to try SportLegs, and prove it to yourselves.

Thanks again.

Carl Holmes for SportLegs

ric_stern/RST

the reason, no one believes you is because you make ridiculous claims about how much you improve when you take your product. that has been discussed with you previously, and if you seriously think your product works *significantly* better than rH-Epo, then you must be deluded.

as regards your chosen journal of publication, it somewhat says it all. whilst, i'm sure the publication itself is fine, it's really not related to sports science or exercise physiology is it?

ric

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patch70

I cannot find a Journal of Wilderness Medicine.

There is a journal called Wilderness and Environmental Medicine. Is this what you are referring to?

(Impact Factor is 0.28, Immediacy Index is 0.000, which in scientific terms means it is a weiner journal.)

SportLegs

Ric, you seem to think SportLegs is blasphemy against the Church of Accepted Knowledge. Maybe it is. But do you really want to wait until every last aborigine knows about it to try it? Do people consult you because you’re the last to know, or the first to know? SportLegs wasn’t developed by some giant company with a giant research budget. And it isn’t some potentially dangerous drug that has to be proven. It’s a blend of healthy minerals that have been Recognized As Safe by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for twenty years. SportLegs was developed by athletes who could feel the difference it made themselves. A consistent, appreciable difference. What feels like a double-digit percentage difference. So when our limited-budget preliminary research quantified exactly that, we weren’t surprised. We would have been more surprised if it hadn’t. But then you’d have to try SportLegs yourself to understand.

It sure would be great if the Church of Accepted Knowledge didn’t barricade its doors so tightly against the possibility of something new; something, perish the thought, its High Priests might have missed.

C’mon, Coach. Lighten up, and give it a go. Isn’t sports all about possibilities? You require your students to open their minds and learn. Can’t you do the same?

Respectfully,

Carl Holmes for SportLegs

ric_stern/RST

i've not anywhere said that your product is a dangerous drug, andn or have i said that it needs to be validated. in fact products like yours have to have printed on the label that the claims haven't been authenticated.

there is some research on polylactates, and the results are highly equivocal. for e.g., http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...st_uids=8002124 shows no benefits to performance or physiological markers. i therefore see no reason to try your product when their seems to be little or no research to support it, and only anecdotal evidence.

i have no idea how you would be able to "feel" a double digit difference? how would that difference feel compared to a 9% difference?

Additionally, it would be my contention that you may not even be able to feel a double digit difference. A 10% increase in power may reduce time in a 10-mile TT by say 30-secs. you may not feel this. i've ridden in 10's where environmental and topographical conditions have varied a little, and my times have been out by up to a minute even though my power has been the same (or different by only one or two watts).

i have not ever suggested i'm not open to new ideas and new research, polylactates aren't new however. the Journal that the authors have chosen isn't exactly a leading sports science journal is it? with all due respect to the journals reviewers, are they really able to peer review such research. i know that when i publish work i wouldn't have sent it to such a journal and would choose a more mainstream sport science (etc) journal.

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rockthrowjoe

This guy could write the book on "Bandwagon" marketing!!!

Hopefully he means the Journal of Wilderness and Environmental Medicine. The Journal of Wilderness Medicine was discontinued in 1994 and renamed as the Journal of Wilderness and Envirionmental Medicine (as this website shows:
http://www.wemjournal.org/wmsonline...est=get-archive

Here is the website for the soicety that publishes it. http://wms.org/

Anyways, the sense of bravado and enthusiasm that SportLegs has for this product is a turn-off for me to buy the product. His silly rambling on about the "Church of Accepted Knowledge", "High Priests" and the such is really annoying. I have the same reaction when some overly-excited salesman comes up to me and tells me how incredibly awesome some product is, and that if I buy such and such a product: World Peace will be acheived, the environment will be saved, the poor will be fed, and I will have billions of dollars in my pocket, not to mention the fact I'll be able to dust Lance Armstrong. His attitude fits with those info-mercials on at 2am. or early Saturday morning.

His annoying attitude makes me not want to buy the product!!!

SportLegs

Sorry, Joe. Shouldn't let Ric's attitude get to me. It hasn't been proven that Australian creatures other than ostriches stick their heads in the sand, notwithstanding the anecdotal evidence.

ric_stern/RST

sportlegs, what attitude? i asked for some good data and you couldn't provide it. instead you've fantasised about a double digit improvement in performance and spouted rubbish.

you've obviously got nothing good to contribute to the forum, and don't particpate in anything other subject. accordingly, this thread really is just a thinly veiled attempt at spam.

and why are you insinuating that i'm an Australian creature. Obviously, you're too stupid to realise i'm from the UK.
*not that i'm suggesting there's anything wrong with anything/anyone from Oz.

Anyway, you've got no evidence to prove that your magic pills work, you can't even supply any good anecdotal evidence (e.g., my power when measured with SRM/PT/Ergomo/S720 improved xx%).

good bye
ric

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Geoman

I suggest you just give it a shot rather than relying on hearsay and potential journal reports anyway (may or may not be coming out in some journal, who knows). I tried them twice, and now just purchased some since it worked for me. Just a suggestion.... the proof is in the pudding!

ric_stern/RST

i'm quite selective about what i ingest, thanks.

unless you've got a power meter and/or race indoors on e.g., a velodrome under controlled environmental conditions, then i doubt you'll notice a difference whether it works or not. if you feel it works for you, then all well and good, but it sounds like a placebo to me.

ric

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Ted B

Being somewhat of an independent researcher who tends not to be swayed by ad copy and the placebo effect, I propose to evaluate the seller's claims on my own accord. I've not read the literature on mineral lactates, and so that I remain open minded, I will refrain from doing so until after I've concluded my own evaluation.

I regularly subject myself to interval training on an indoor trainer, using a HRM and power monitor. The setup I use has proven to be repeatable with very good precision, and rest assured I would easily be able discern even a 2-3% improvement without question.

Since I have only bulk calcium lactate on hand (need Mg lactate as well to reproduce seller's product), I've had to place an order for the small sample pack from the seller. As soon as I receive seller's product, I will conduct the with/without testing two days apart and report. I will repeat the same test until the supply is depleted.

I realize this won't be statistically valid, but being both educated and skeptical when it comes to dietary supplements and the claims made by sellers thereof, rest assured that my evaluation will be as objective as humanly possible.

Roadie_scum

Emus are Australian. Not ostriches. And emus don't stick their heads in the sand. The kind folks at the journal for wilderness medicine probably could have told you that.