Extra spokes & Chainwhip?

Bbense+Rec Bicy

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<bc2b2f85.0405141501.34be3c8a@posting.google.com>, Rick
Warner <rickwarner@earthlink.net> wrote:
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>You have no idea what tools I carry, yet you seem to think
>you have such knowledge. Jobst may carry a chainwhip, since
>his bike has a freewheel. I have one bike left with a
>freewheel, but I only ride that around town so carry just a
>basic tube and patch kit on that setup. On my touring bike
>I carry a very small hypercracker instead to remove/install
>cassettes.

_ You don't need a chainwhip to remove freewheels, just a
long cresent wrench and the right freewheel tool. Chainwhips
are needed for cassette removal if you don't have a
hypercracker.

_ Booekr C. Bense

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Rick Warner

<bbense+rec.bicycles.rides.May.17.04@telemark.slac.stanford.edu> wrote in message news:<c8am24$ev9$3@news.Stanford.EDU>...
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> _ You don't need a chainwhip to remove freewheels, just a
> long cresent wrench and the right freewheel tool.
> Chainwhips are needed for cassette removal if you don't
> have a hypercracker.
>
> _ Booekr C. Bense
>

Who said anything about needing the chainwhip for removal? I
sure did not. You need the chainwhip to get the freewheel
back on tightly. And chainwhips are not needed for cassette
removal, even if you do not have a hypercracker (but why
would you not have a hypercracker? Small and light). My
Stein freehub wrench holds the cassette tightly while I use
the removal tool and crescent wrench to loosen the cassette
lockring when I am in the shop. Only thing I use chainwhips
for these days are tightening on the freewheels and taking
cogs off freewheels.

- rick

David Kerber

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<bc2b2f85.0405181024.1c9dce7a@posting.google.com>,
rickwarner@earthlink.net says...
> <bbense+rec.bicycles.rides.May.17.04@telemark.slac.stanfo-
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> > _ You don't need a chainwhip to remove freewheels, just
> > a long cresent wrench and the right freewheel tool.
> > Chainwhips are needed for cassette removal if you don't
> > have a hypercracker.
> >
> > _ Booekr C. Bense
> >
>
> Who said anything about needing the chainwhip for removal?
> I sure did not. You need the chainwhip to get the
> freewheel back on tightly.

Pedaling does that just fine for me.

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Rick Onanian

On 18 May 2004 11:24:19 -0700, rickwarner@earthlink.net (Rick
Warner) wrote:
>Who said anything about needing the chainwhip for removal?
>I sure did not. You need the chainwhip to get the freewheel
>back on tightly.

Why? Pedalling doesn't tighten it enough?

>And chainwhips are not needed for cassette removal, even if
>you do not have a hypercracker (but why would you not have
>a hypercracker? Small and light). My Stein freehub wrench
>holds the cassette tightly while I use the removal tool and
>crescent wrench to loosen the cassette lockring when I am
>in the shop. Only thing I use chainwhips for these days are
>tightening on the freewheels and taking cogs off
>freewheels.

How does your stein freehub wrench compare in volume and
mass to a chainwhip? If it's not lighter, I'd prefer the
chainwhip...more versatile. I'm sure there are some very
lightweight chainwhips out there, and if not, a homemade one
would be easy to do lightly. Anyway, I thought this thread
was about equipment for touring, not tools in shops...
--
Rick "Whip that unruly chain into line!" Onanian

Rick Warner

Rick Onanian <spamsink@cox.net> wrote in message news:<ftbla0tfp775795ggr34n9g7isvt4pmnb5@4ax.com>...
> On 18 May 2004 11:24:19 -0700, rickwarner@earthlink.net
> (Rick Warner) wrote:
> >Who said anything about needing the chainwhip for
> >removal? I sure did not. You need the chainwhip to get
> >the freewheel back on tightly.
>
> Why? Pedalling doesn't tighten it enough?

Not when the bike is in the stand and the wheel on the
bench. Read carefully, digest the entire thread, do not leap
to conclusions, etc. etc.

> >And chainwhips are not needed for cassette removal, even
> >if you do not have a hypercracker (but why would you not
> >have a hypercracker? Small and light). My Stein freehub
> >wrench holds the cassette tightly while I use the removal
> >tool and crescent wrench to loosen the cassette lockring
> >when I am in the shop. Only thing I use chainwhips for
> >these days are tightening on the freewheels and taking
> >cogs off freewheels.
>
> How does your stein freehub wrench compare in volume and
> mass to a chainwhip? If it's not lighter, I'd prefer the
> chainwhip...more versatile.

Who cares about size in the shop? The Stein tool is much
easier to use when dealing with a very tight lockring,
the old 'squeeze the wrenches together' trick, sinilar
to squeezing the wrenches together to loosen a tight
headset locknut.

> Anyway, I thought this thread was about equipment for
> touring, not tools in shops...

Right you are, but I was not the person that inferred, quite
incorrectly and without any evidence to support such an
incorrect assumption, that if I mentioned someone carrying a
chainwhip that I must be talking of freewheel removal. If
you bothered to read the thread you would see I was merely
pointing out the error of the poster's ways. Now if you go
back to the original thread, read the whole thing, you will
see I said that I do not carry a chainwhip. I said, also,
that I do not ride a freewheel on tour. I merely pointed out
that one poster *might* carry one since I knew he does tour
with a freewheel. My chainwhip stays in the shop, and gets
little use. I enumerated the tools I take on tour, tools now
set aside to be packed and schlepped to Italy in the near
future, where I hope to use a few tools for
assembly/disassembly but that some tools (e.g., spoke wrench
and cassette cracker) sit in the bags and do not see the
light of day for the next month.

- rick

Jobst Brandt

Rick Warner writes:

>> _ You don't need a chainwhip to remove freewheels, just a
>> long Crescent wrench and the right freewheel tool.
>> Chainwhips are needed for cassette removal if you don't
>> have a hypercracker.

> Who said anything about needing the chainwhip for removal?
> I sure did not. You need the chainwhip to get the
> freewheel back on tightly.

I trust you are making a joke. Freewheels screw on all by
themselves. No tools are required. Large adjustable or box
end wrenches that fit a standard FW remover are available at
most auto shops and many gas stations. If you don't ride low
spoke count wheels on a tour, you can ride all day with a
broken spoke with no more than the brake QR opened to
prevent drag... that is if you aren't riding one of those
tight pseudo racing bicycles with 2mm clearance to frame and
fork as if that had any benefit what so ever.

Jobst Brandt jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org

Sergio Servadio

On Thu, 20 May 2004 jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
> I trust you are making a joke. Freewheels screw on all by
> themselves. No tools are required.

Though that must have been a joke, let me caution novice
readers. It's happened to me to have a new freewheel
installed by hand, without screwing it in tightly. I started
out coasting downhill and it unscrew without mercy!

Sergio Pisa

Tm

"Rick Warner" <rickwarner@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> to Italy in the near future, where I hope to use a few
> tools for assembly/disassembly but that some tools (e.g.,
> spoke wrench and cassette cracker) sit in the bags and do
> not see the light of day for the next month.
>

I wish you a mechanical free month in Italy!

Watching the Giro really makes me jealous of your trip.

Enjoy.