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Old 29-09.-2004, 07:22 AM   #331
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your idea of de training, the idea is to prevent plateu, otherwords to prevent you hitting that point in training where you don't seem to progress any further, the rest period aids in increasing the rate at which you get to recover completly and avoid overtraining and the exhausted fategue feeling.

over a period of severn days there would be minimum effects to performance if at all any dependant upon your level of fitness.

not own3d, just goes to show he trolls and knows nothing about training. but gives me something to do, untill its time for work or my next ride



I've read this three times and still can't understand it.




But you did get own3d champ, face it.
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Old 29-09.-2004, 07:25 AM   #332
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I've read this three times and still can't understand it.




But you did get own3d champ, face it.
by the argumentative shite he is, nah! i'm bored passing the time. you want me to write the full thing on recovery, as carmicheal states, he is probably a little better with words than i am.

like with the thing about iodine, i'll get bored with him eventually. like pedalling at the speed of cyclist, drafting off them, i'll get bored and move onto something faster......
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Old 29-09.-2004, 07:31 AM   #333
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your idea of de training, the idea is to prevent plateu, otherwords to prevent you hitting that point in training where you don't seem to progress any further, the rest period aids in increasing the rate at which you get to recover completly and avoid overtraining and the exhausted fategue feeling.


as a sports scientist and professional coach who works with pro riders to recreational level cyclists i'm well aware of the idea of recovery to promote improvement in performance. without recovery you won't progress.

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over a period of severn days there would be minimum effects to performance if at all any dependant upon your level of fitness.


unfortunately, as with many of the topics you post about you only have a basic understanding of the principles involved. no elite cyclist in their right mind would take a week off from training every 4th or 5th week. you're talking absolute rubbish.

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unfortunately you appear to be rather delusional. you don't know what you're talking about and you can't write coherently whatsoever. maybe you have something interesting to say, maybe you mean something else but we're all interpreting you wrongly. i don't know. anyway, you should enroll at your local college for English lessons.

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Old 29-09.-2004, 07:37 AM   #334
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by the argumentative shite he is, nah! i'm bored passing the time. you want me to write the full thing on recovery, as carmicheal states, he is probably a little better with words than i am.


you appear to have read some books on training and/or sports science. unfortunately you don't appear to understand them or make any coherent points, generally writing tosh and deluding yourself that it's correct.

I suggest you pass time on a different board and stop wasting bandwidth

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Old 29-09.-2004, 07:47 AM   #335
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you appear to have read some books on training and/or sports science. unfortunately you don't appear to understand them or make any coherent points, generally writing tosh and deluding yourself that it's correct.

I suggest you pass time on a different board and stop wasting bandwidth

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Go suck on a tail pipe! maybe you'll understand how it feels the next time your blowing hot air. you work with them, I ride and what i know to work does, what is your average speed over 65miles for instance?. your max speed on the flat or the power you can generate at a max with your overal cadenance....

where are you Ric...
you wouldn't happen to be in the UK would you.

I could do with a race, just to proove a point or an arorgant irratating training partner just to drop on longer rides and out perform durning training rides and sessions.

however, i do agree that i ain't to good with english or explaining myself very well. but i can't be bothered going to college, cost to much money takes up to much time.

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Go suck on a tail pipe! maybe you'll understand how it feels the next time your blowing hot air. you work with them, I ride and what i know to work does, what is your average speed over 65miles for instance?. your max speed on the flat or the power you can generate at a max with your overal cadenance....

where are you Ric...
you wouldn't happen to be in the UK would you.

I could do with a race, just to proove a point


do you randomly mix your words on purpose? what is candenance?

yes, i'm in sunny south Wales, as the location states.

there would be no point in me mentioning my stats, it's obvious you'd be able to beat them with your average power of 370 W over 3 hrs. no point you racing either as you'd beat everyone else too. Hahahaha!

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Old 29-09.-2004, 07:57 AM   #337
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carmicheal states, he is probably a little better with words than i am.


I was in France last week, they have a better command of the English language than you. I think "little better" maybe an understatement of huge proportions.

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do you randomly mix your words on purpose? what is candenance?

yes, i'm in sunny south Wales, as the location states.

there would be no point in me mentioning my stats, it's obvious you'd be able to beat them with your average power of 370 W over 3 hrs. no point you racing either as you'd beat everyone else too. Hahahaha!

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there you go again with making a point of my english Cadence
rather you happy now.

you have nothing to say ric, and your saying it far to loud. although i probably wouldn't beat everyone, but it would be fun trying , unfortunately i'll never get the opertunity to.

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I was in France last week, they have a better command of the English language than you. I think "little better" maybe an understatement of huge proportions.

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lol.... i agree, speaking english is really all i need to know, not to articulate either but, i can read and i can ride.
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Old 29-09.-2004, 11:47 PM   #340
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The guy I knew experimented with both variants but I wish I'd had the sense to adopt the same system (or something similar). It's generally agreed that most athletes overtrain - a trend that's been going on for years. We all naturally assume that if A is riding 2 hours a day and B rides 4 hours a day, B will make more progress. But it's been pointed out that much of this overtraining is a result of steroid use.
However the case may be, you should have seen how this guy trained when he wasn't taking his fourth week off. Moreover, everybody though he used steroids but he was clean as a whistle, aerobically fit and with very low body fat. Ask yourself, how many people really train hard? How many folks know what the pain barrier involves or how to push through it?
I don't have any problem with a light week instead of total time off but it's always very hard to curb enthusiasm when you enjoy your sport.


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in an elite or even non-elite athlete, if you took a week off, especially on a regular basis you would detrain. having a week off is different to having a recovery week.



do you mean Paula Radcliffe... or is Paula Ratcliffe a friend of Paula Catcliffe



unfortunately, the Olympics weren't able to wait until she was better

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Old 30-09.-2004, 12:12 AM   #341
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It's generally agreed that most athletes overtrain - a trend that's been going on for years.


I don't know where you've come up with such an idea, but most athletes do NOT overtrain. I'd guess that very few people overtrain.

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I don't know where you've come up with such an idea, but most athletes do NOT overtrain. I'd guess that very few people overtrain.

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Blah blah blah di blah, you wouldn't know ric, your not an athlete are you, you coach don't you, athletes have big cahoonies and make many sacrafices to accomplish there goals, so yes lots of them probably do overtrain.

No research required to know that. still nothing constructive to say i see, but still saying it far to loud.

i agree it is hard to take time off, especially once your into your routine, light rides easy rides i say, its always a good thing to have a little time off. yes ric "we know you disagree." I don't like light training, i enjoy sprinting and going as fast as i can when ever i ride, usually turns into a race against the clock and if i feel i can do more then i will.

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Blah blah blah di blah, you wouldn't know ric, your not an athlete are you, you coach don't you, athletes have big cahoonies and make many sacrafices to accomplish there goals, so yes lots of them probably do overtrain.


i do race. lots of them do not overtrain. people might over reach more regularly, but there isn't a majority who overtrain.


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No research required to know that. still nothing constructive to say i see, but still saying it far to loud.


if you don't like it, don't bother coming here. ok?

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i agree it is hard to take time off, especially once your into your routine, light rides easy rides i say, its always a good thing to have a little time off. yes ric "we know you disagree." I don't like light training, i enjoy sprinting and going as fast as i can when ever i ride, usually turns into a race against the clock.


obviously, not only can you not write, you appear to have difficulties with reading comprehension too. i didn't say that athletes shouldn't have recovery periods i said that they didn't have whole weeks off on a regular basis.

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Old 30-09.-2004, 12:52 AM   #344
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Blah blah blah di blah, you wouldn't know ric, your not an athlete are you, you coach don't you, athletes have big cahoonies and make many sacrafices to accomplish there goals, so yes lots of them probably do overtrain.

No research required to know that. still nothing constructive to say i see, but still saying it far to loud.

i agree it is hard to take time off, especially once your into your routine, light rides easy rides i say, its always a good thing to have a little time off. yes ric "we know you disagree." I don't like light training, i enjoy sprinting and going as fast as i can when ever i ride, usually turns into a race against the clock and if i feel i can do more then i will.


I'm trying to follow this thread but struggling ......

closesupport - you seem confused with your ideas about training cycles. I really think you need to read something like Cyclists Training Bible - by Joe Friel. Its not perfect but it provides a very good explanation of training periodization........then maybe you'll understand better what Ric and others are trying to point out..... and you'll then be abel to reach 400W (ho, ho ,ho)
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I'd guess that very few people overtrain.


If by "people" you mean anyone, athletic or not, then you're probably right. If by "people" you mean serious recreational or professional athletes, I would have to "guess" that you are wrong.

Do you distinguish between overreaching and overtraining?
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