The boys and now the wife.

Rick

My son bought his Schwinn comfort bike from Canadian tire, I
know its not the good old schwinn but a very decent bike for
300.00 canadian.

The welding on the frame seems to be well done, good paint
job,wheels turn freely etc I tweaked the brakes and
derailleur and everything works as intended. Then my wife
tried it and asked for one...so we have 2 new bikes for the
price of 1 very good one.

This product seems to be an honest product.I compared this
schwinn with some raleigh, supercycle, CCM and they are
superior for the same price IMHO

So yes we bought relatively low quality bikes but for our
application they are quite competent.

Schwinn is maybe back on track ?

Curt

> Schwinn is maybe back on track ?

I didn't think Schwinn was that good ever. I had a brand new
one in the 70's as a kid and my sister had a Raleigh. I
gotta tell you the Raleigh was much better in all aspects.

Curt

The Queen Of Ca

curt <nospam@verizon.net> wrote:

> > Schwinn is maybe back on track ?
>
> I didn't think Schwinn was that good ever.

you coulda fooled me. i rode the holy hell out of my schwinn
sierra, and passed it on to someone else when i was done
with it. same situation with my exhusband's schwinn
cimarron. they were fine bikes.

and if the paramount isn't one of the all-time classic road
bikes, i'll eat my hat.

Gooserider

"The Queen of Cans and Jars" <dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet> wrote in message
news:1gfj1wt.173f5uakrl3jlN%dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet...
> curt <nospam@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > Schwinn is maybe back on track ?
> >
> > I didn't think Schwinn was that good ever.
>
> you coulda fooled me. i rode the holy hell out of my
> schwinn sierra, and passed it on to someone else when i
> was done with it. same situation with my exhusband's
> schwinn cimarron. they were fine bikes.
>
> and if the paramount isn't one of the all-time classic
> road bikes, i'll eat my hat.

My Schwinn Peloton(one of the last of the real Schwinns)
has been a fantastic bike. Reynolds 853 frame, rides
like a dream.

Rick

"Gooserider" <gooserider@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
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>
> "The Queen of Cans and Jars" <dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet> wrote
> in message
> news:1gfj1wt.173f5uakrl3jlN%dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet...
> > curt <nospam@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > Schwinn is maybe back on track ?
> > >
> > > I didn't think Schwinn was that good ever.
> >
> > you coulda fooled me. i rode the holy hell out of my
> > schwinn sierra, and passed it on to someone else when i
> > was done with it. same situation with my exhusband's
> > schwinn cimarron. they were fine bikes.
> >
> > and if the paramount isn't one of the all-time classic
> > road bikes, i'll eat my hat.
>
> My Schwinn Peloton(one of the last of the real Schwinns)
> has been a fantastic bike. Reynolds 853 frame, rides like
> a dream.

Pardon my ignorance but Schwinn wasn't big here in Canada
not big at least for the ordinary people.

What was a real Schwinn ?

Gooserider

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>
> "Gooserider" <gooserider@mouse-potato.com> wrote in
> message
> news:ZNoAc.84904$w34.3996714@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> >
> > "The Queen of Cans and Jars" <dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet>
> > wrote in message
> > news:1gfj1wt.173f5uakrl3jlN%dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet...
> > > curt <nospam@verizon.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Schwinn is maybe back on track ?
> > > >
> > > > I didn't think Schwinn was that good ever.
> > >
> > > you coulda fooled me. i rode the holy hell out of my
> > > schwinn sierra, and passed it on to someone else when
> > > i was done with it. same situation with my exhusband's
> > > schwinn cimarron. they were fine bikes.
> > >
> > > and if the paramount isn't one of the all-time classic
> > > road bikes,
i'll
> > > eat my hat.
> >
> > My Schwinn Peloton(one of the last of the real Schwinns)
> > has been a fantastic bike. Reynolds 853 frame, rides
> > like a dream.
>
> Pardon my ignorance but Schwinn wasn't big here in Canada
> not big at
least
> for the ordinary people.
>
> What was a real Schwinn ?

That depends who you ask, but I consider a real Schwinn any
Schwinn built before the Pacific Cycle buyout. Mine was made
in 1990, when Schwinns were only available at Schwinn
dealers. A friend of mine has a Schwinn Sidewinder he
purchased at Wal-Mart, and it's just not the same. It
bothers me to see a classic American name being cranked out
by Chinese slave labor. But it's a decent bike, for a
department store bike. It's nowhere near as nice or smooth
as a low end bike shop bike, though.

Curt

> What was a real Schwinn ?

A heavy road bike. Not very advanced, but they did last. Too
heavy IMHO. Many European bicycles were much lighter and
more advanced, but Schwinn had the name here in the states.

Curt

Gooserider

"curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> > What was a real Schwinn ?
>
> A heavy road bike. Not very advanced, but they did last.
> Too heavy IMHO. Many European bicycles were much lighter
> and more advanced, but Schwinn
had
> the name here in the states.

Not to nitpick, but Paramounts weren't heavy. Schwinns made
from the mid 80s on weren't exactly heavy, either. Varsities
were heavy, for sure, though.

Michael J . Kle

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:56:17 GMT, "Gooserider"
<gooserider@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

<snip>

>he purchased at Wal-Mart, and it's just not the same. It
>bothers me to see a classic American name being cranked out
>by Chinese slave labor. But it's a

Comments such as these almost make me laugh, except that
some people take them seriously. Do you have any idea what
you are talking about?

Michael J. Klein mklein@mousepotato.com Dasi Jen, Taoyuan
Hsien, Taiwan, ROC Please replace mousepotato with
asiancastings
---------------------------------------------

Gooserider

"Michael J. Klein" <mklein@mousepotato.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:56:17 GMT, "Gooserider" <gooserider@mouse-
> potato.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >he purchased at Wal-Mart, and it's just not the same. It
> >bothers me to
see a
> >classic American name being cranked out by Chinese slave
> >labor. But it's
a
>
> Comments such as these almost make me laugh, except that
> some people take them seriously. Do you have any idea what
> you are talking about?
>
>
Question is, do YOU know what you're talking about. You do
know that workers in MAINLAND Chinese bicycle factories work
in conditions that would make an OSHA inspector have a
coronary, right? 20 hour days, no safety equipment, no
respirators for the painters, no union, no representation.
Workers are required to live in a company dormitory(for
which they must pay) and eat at a company cafeteria(bad food
for which they also must pay). It's not a good thing.
Mainland China isn't Taiwan. China is a horrible human
rights violator, worse than Iraq, but greedy CEOs and cheap
consumers don't care. I don't buy Chinese stuff if there's a
non-Chinese product available. So, yes, I DO know what I'm
talking about.

Michael J . Kle

On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 22:11:37 GMT, "Gooserider"
<gooserider@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

>
>"Michael J. Klein" <mklein@mousepotato.com> wrote in
>message news:7n20e0lh1bd06g51ngsik97ao9r22dsmfu@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:56:17 GMT, "Gooserider" <gooserider@mouse-
>> potato.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> >he purchased at Wal-Mart, and it's just not the same. It
>> >bothers me to
>see a
>> >classic American name being cranked out by Chinese slave
>> >labor. But it's
>a
>>
>> Comments such as these almost make me laugh, except that
>> some people take them seriously. Do you have any idea
>> what you are talking about?
>>
>>
>Question is, do YOU know what you're talking about. You do
>know that workers in MAINLAND Chinese bicycle factories
>work in conditions that would make an OSHA inspector have a
>coronary, right? 20 hour days, no safety equipment, no
>respirators for the painters, no union, no representation.
>Workers are required to live in a company dormitory(for
>which they must pay) and eat at a company cafeteria(bad
>food for which they also must pay). It's not a good thing.
>Mainland China isn't Taiwan. China is a horrible human
>rights violator, worse than Iraq, but greedy CEOs and cheap
>consumers don't care. I don't buy Chinese stuff if there's
>a non-Chinese product available. So, yes, I DO know what
>I'm talking about.

I was reffering specifically to the "slave labor" comment.
Also, I'm not going to discuss this issue with anyone who
has not been to China and spent time in rural factories.
Michael J. Klein mklein@mousepotato.com Dasi Jen, Taoyuan
Hsien, Taiwan, ROC Please replace mousepotato with
asiancastings
---------------------------------------------

Gooserider

"Michael J. Klein" <mklein@mousepotato.com> wrote in
message > I was reffering specifically to the "slave labor"
comment. Also, I'm
> not going to discuss this issue with anyone who has not
> been to China and spent time in rural factories.

Please read and absorb this:

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/55/312.html

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/s642502.htm

http://www.afpc.org/crm/crm305.htm

I can list example after example, but that's unnecessary.
Buying Chinese made products is wrong. It's wrong because
exploiting poor people is wrong, and it's wrong because
exporting jobs away from the US and Europe is wrong. I will
not buy Chinese products, and I do not shop at WalMart. I'm
sure, though, that your experiences in the factories are
totally different that what Chinese factory workers report.

Michael J . Kle

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 15:47:49 GMT, "Gooserider"
<gooserider@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

>
>"Michael J. Klein" <mklein@mousepotato.com> wrote in
>message > I was reffering specifically to the "slave labor"
>comment. Also, I'm
>> not going to discuss this issue with anyone who has not
>> been to China and spent time in rural factories.
>
>Please read and absorb this:
>
>http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/55/312.html
>
>http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/s642502.htm
>
>http://www.afpc.org/crm/crm305.htm
>
>I can list example after example, but that's unnecessary.
>Buying Chinese made products is wrong. It's wrong because
>exploiting poor people is wrong, and it's wrong because
>exporting jobs away from the US and Europe is wrong. I will
>not buy Chinese products, and I do not shop at WalMart. I'm
>sure, though, that your experiences in the factories are
>totally different that what Chinese factory workers report.

In other words, you haven't been there. End of discussion
(like I said). Michael J. Klein mklein@mousepotato.com Dasi
Jen, Taoyuan Hsien, Taiwan, ROC Please replace mousepotato
with asiancastings
---------------------------------------------

Gooserider

"Michael J. Klein" <mklein@mousepotato.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 15:47:49 GMT, "Gooserider" <gooserider@mouse-
> potato.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Michael J. Klein" <mklein@mousepotato.com> wrote in
> >message > I was reffering specifically to the "slave
> >labor" comment. Also, I'm
> >> not going to discuss this issue with anyone who has not
> >> been to China and spent time in rural factories.
> >
> >Please read and absorb this:
> >
> >http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/55/312.html
> >
> >http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/s642502.htm
> >
> >http://www.afpc.org/crm/crm305.htm
> >
> >I can list example after example, but that's unnecessary.
> >Buying Chinese made products is wrong. It's wrong because
> >exploiting poor people is
wrong,
> >and it's wrong because exporting jobs away from the US
> >and Europe is
wrong.
> >I will not buy Chinese products, and I do not shop at
> >WalMart. I'm sure, though, that your experiences in the
> >factories are totally different that what Chinese factory
> >workers report.
>
> In other words, you haven't been there. End of discussion
> (like I said).

So people is Chinese factories work a reasonable number of
hours for good pay and benefits, in a factory as safe as one
in the US or Europe? Factories in China meet the same
environmental standars as those in the US or Europe?