Cycling and bicycle racing discussion forums.   View New Forum Topics
Today's Forum Topics

Set as homepage


Go Back   Cycling Forums > Bike Racing > Grand Tours - Giro - Tour de France - Vuelta a España
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Welcome to CyclingForums.com

You are currently viewing our website as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions. You will have to register before you can post to this thread.

By joining our free online community you will have access to post new topics, communicate privately with other cyclingforums.com members (PM), respond to polls, upload photos and access other special features like product reviews and classifieds.


Team Time Trial

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 09-07.-2004, 11:18 PM   #31
Lisbon
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Traverse City Michigan
Posts: 32
Send a message via AIM to Lisbon
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by birdman23
Agreed! Hey Lisbon are you from Portugal? If not, why do you use Lisbon as your handle? I am curious because I used to live in Portugal.

No i'm not from Portugal. I got the name while following the UEFA EURO 2004 tourniment. As you know it was the city that they played the final in.
Lisbon is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-07.-2004, 02:26 AM   #32
gntlmn
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Anchorage, Alaska, USA
Posts: 1,672
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by musette
This is even more awesome. Floyd Landis writes in his cyclingnews diary:

"The conditions were dangerous with all the wind and rain but because of the new rules our team knew we could only gain or lose so much time. We were really careful in all the turns and then went hard in middle part. It was the first time I actually enjoyed the last 5km of a time trial; we knew we couldn't get more time so we backed off."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/200...php?id=floyd047

In other words, USPS was being careful initially (and faced hard rain/wind conditions, like certain other teams). However, USPS eased off at the end and potentially could have come in at a faster time (had there not been the 2:30 rule and related rules).


People keep talking about how they don't like the time gain with the new rule that a well prepared team has to give up when they do well against the others. But they fail to mention, and I've looked through a lot of posts, that this may make the TTT a safer race. Since you cannot pile on your gains, it makes no sense to take risks. They are way more focused on avoiding crashes as a leading team. This was also a big factor in leaving Noval behind--to avoid risking a crash.

I'm beginning to see the wisdom that the race organizers bring to this event. I didn't see this at first, but this may be better than the way it was last year, all things considered.
gntlmn is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-07.-2004, 02:33 AM   #33
birdman23
Registered User
 
birdman23's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 571
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Lisbon
No i'm not from Portugal. I got the name while following the UEFA EURO 2004 tourniment. As you know it was the city that they played the final in.


Yeah I was sad to see Portugal loose in the final.
__________________
May the road you ride be a good road!
birdman23 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-07.-2004, 05:30 AM   #34
musette
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,399
Default

The TTT sequence of finishers within a team shows how deliberate USPS is as well. LA crossed before the fifth person (maybe second??), making sure that he would not be considered the laggard.

CSC shouldn't complain that Sastre didn't get the benefit of the team time. The team was just not careful enough.

Similarly for Saeco. Under the new 2:30 limit rule, it's clear that the leader should cross as one of the first four. That was always the case, to avoid a time lag that would delay the leader. However, under the 2:30 rule, it's more imperative.


An article notes:

"Had [Simoni's] team mates waited for him [they didn't know he had crashed], he would have lost one minute and 30 seconds on Armstrong, but because he crossed the line six seconds behind, his actual time was taken into account and the twice Giro champion found himself 2:42 adrift. 'I personally intervened to ask race officers to apply the spirit of the rule and not the letter in the Simoni's case. But they said the rule was the rule,' Leblanc said."
musette is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-07.-2004, 08:13 PM   #35
musette
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,399
Default

LA's publicist was in the third USPS car following the TTT, and followed Noval after he was dropped:

"It was not long before Benjamin had some trouble yesterday. The boys were flying from the start and that, combined with his two crashes, he just did not have it yesterday. The third car needs to stay in the back in case there are any mechanical problems or a rider gets dropped. So I spent the last 50K or so watching poor Benjamin struggle to keep it going, and on the phone trying to get the split times. All along the route the fans were great, cheering and clapping him along. This is Tour for you: at some points people were driving on the course coming towards him thinking that the race was over. When we finally got the word that the team had won, we pulled up along side Benjamin and told him the news, encourage him, and to remind him to be careful in some of the final turns. Mind you, my Spanish is bad, so it was something like "OK! OK! Numero Uno!" I think he got the point, but I wouldn't have blamed him for clocking me with his water bottle. By far the best part of the day was Benjamin crossing the line and heading back to the media pit behind the podium. The boys waited for him to arrive before they did the team ceremony. The other 8 are dry and in fresh uniforms, while Benjamin is up there soaked to the bone. But he made it. Chechu put his arm around him and told him that it doesn't matter, we are up here together."
musette is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-07.-2004, 10:25 PM   #36
musette
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,399
Default

More on Noval. In the OLNTV coverage today regarding the first week of the Tour, Noval is shown just having finished his individual TT essentially during the TTT stage. He is literally in tears and very distraught, as Chechu and Beltran console him, surrounding him.

He will be fine, and will help LA more in the mountains than VHP could. Noval clearly cares about supporting LA. Subsequent to the TTT, Noval gave his back wheel to LA after the first of two LA crashes on one stage.
musette is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 12-07.-2004, 06:15 AM   #37
musette
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,399
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by musette
The TTT sequence of finishers within a team shows how deliberate USPS is as well. LA crossed before the fifth person (maybe second??), making sure that he would not be considered the laggard.

CSC shouldn't complain that Sastre didn't get the benefit of the team time. The team was just not careful enough.

Similarly for Saeco. Under the new 2:30 limit rule, it's clear that the leader should cross as one of the first four. That was always the case, to avoid a time lag that would delay the leader. However, under the 2:30 rule, it's more imperative.


An article notes:

"Had [Simoni's] team mates waited for him [they didn't know he had crashed], he would have lost one minute and 30 seconds on Armstrong, but because he crossed the line six seconds behind, his actual time was taken into account and the twice Giro champion found himself 2:42 adrift. 'I personally intervened to ask race officers to apply the spirit of the rule and not the letter in the Simoni's case. But they said the rule was the rule,' Leblanc said."


Simoni writes: "My director sportif has talked to the Tour organization asking them to change the rule regarding the team time trial, and the strange thing, the paradox, is that the organization agrees to change my official time but the jury disagrees. They don't want to make any change, sticking with their decision. Personally I am getting bored by these things. I don't like to see the greatest race in the world of cycling become such a political machine. The truth is I hate politics. I want to pedal. I want to do my race. During the race it is important to stop the words and let the pedals work."

http://www.tourdefrancenews.com/tou...s1-9231,00.html
musette is offline  
Reply With Quote

Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump



All times are GMT +10. The time now is 08:28 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin Copyright © 2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2001 - 2006 cyclingforums.com

Links to websites we like:
Pezcyclingnews | Cyclingnews.com | Wine Zone | iinet