dizzy when riding

Bernie

Dwayne wrote:

>Badger_South <Badger@South.net> wrote in message
>news:<cobve0pdklp1hr4luqhvtu59kj28d500jr@4ax.com>...
>
>>On 10 Jul 2004 07:43:20 GMT, Ben A Gozar
>><azigni@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Below is the way I meant my note to be read. It was an
>>>estimation of course, but we men aren't exactly known to
>>>be running to the doctor at the rate of women. The sad
>>>news is once we pass forty things go wrong and we men
>>>tend to die off rather suddenly. Two of my friends went
>>>in for a check up only for the doctors to have bp
>>>readings on both of them of almost

>>>visited my doctor for completely different problems I
>>>could no longer ignore and I found out I am not 16 any
>>>more. In the United States at least, I think the Doctor
>>>may be closer to correct, than farther from it.
>>>
>>>At any rate I do not have an informed opinion on whether
>>>it is a true statement or not, I was just passing on what
>>>was told to me.
>>>
>>>>When I read it, I gave it a totally different
>>>>interpretation than either of the above: For every man
>>>>that he sees in the office, he estimates there are 15
>>>>others with serious health problems who are not coming
>>>>in, and could be at serious risk.
>>>>
>>And I'm saying that if you are active, have no obvious
>>risk, such as smoking, overweight, alcoholic, and soforth
>>that there's no reason to be this paranoid. Of course if
>>you walk down the street you'll see lots of examples of
>>couch potatoes walking out of bars, chain smoking. I'd say
>>90% of these guys are at significant risk. But without
>>doing a physical, guess what? I'd be pulling that
>>estimation out of my ass.
>>
>>Certain risk factors might be predictable based on your
>>genetics - many black men have high blood pressure, and
>>for them, over 40, go get that checked. Otherwise, to
>>quote that kind of figure to any particular patient is a
>>scare tactic, and meaningless. You pretty much know your
>>risk factors,
>>b/c you know how you're abusing your body. But among a sub
>> group, such as bikers who have been doing it for 10
>> years and are lean and fit and active and don't overdo
>> their vices, would that be the case? My dad is 81,
>> active all his life, and has smoked a pack of unfiltered
>> cigs a day since he was 25, and still going strong - go
>> figure. In my case, go look at my pic at 50 and tell me
>> what kind of risk factors I have.
>>
>>http://www.pbase.com/image/18847396/medium
>>
>>So, IMO, for your doc to say that is meaningless,
>>irresponsible (for making you paranoid, if it did) and he
>>could have said 9 out of 10 or 1 out of 100 and both been
>>right, depending on demographic.
>>
>>I'll tell you what's dangerous, though. Go into any
>>hospital to have a minor procedure and your chances of
>>never coming out again are quite high, due to nosocomial
>>infection (hospital antibiotic resistant bugs), surgical
>>mistakes, and other misadventures. So I could say doctors
>>- stay the freak away from them, b/c you could be
>>misdiagnosed or they could just have seen a patient with
>>resistant strep and forgot to wash his hands. Did your doc
>>wash his hands before he left your exam room? He didn't?
>>OMG! ;-)
>>
>>Go check out some sites that talk about 'what they don't
>>tell you about medical exams'. Do you know that the
>>devices they use for endoscopy and rectal exams can not be
>>properly sterilized? THat's right, the chances are good
>>that the last patient they scoped has left a little bit of
>>blood or body fluid inside the device and now it's inside
>>you. There's no known way to sterilize against prion
>>infections (mad cow), so if you have an operation, you
>>might be innoculated with CJD and not know it. What if
>>you're having an appendectomy and they nick an artery and
>>you have to get blood? Or the anesthesiologist gives you
>>the wrong gas (happened to my dad and they tried to cover
>>it up - he actually went into cardiac arrest b/c they gave
>>him 5 times the dose needed by mistake when he had a
>>kidney stone removed). See, it works both ways. ;-p
>>
>>OK, sorry for the rant....
>>
>>-B
>>
>
>Ok here's what happened this morning. I got up at 7:20 and
>showered and got dressed and the entire time I was drinking
>bottles of filtered water, about 3 bottles full, plus. Then
>I ate a peanut butter granola bar and a small amount of
>peanut butter for sustained energy. I checked my BP and it
>was 129/92. I checked my blood sugar count with my wife's
>kit and it was 102, before I ate anything (fasting). She
>told me that was a fairly good reading, diabetes would be
>130 - 200+, while fasting all night. then I took one 99 mg
>potassium tablet and 3 cal/mag/zinc = 1000 mg total,
>tablets. Then, I went riding for about 2 hours and rode
>about 22 miles and the temp was about 77 with about 80 %
>humid, the temp was normal but the humid. was a little less
>than usual here. Everything went fine. I didn't get a bit
>sick. I even pushed myself to do more and had no problems.
>Even when my buddies wanted to turn back before it got too
>hot, I wanted to go further but we turned back, probably a
>good idea anyway, I thought. I rode all the way back with
>no problems. then as soon as I got in the door at home, I
>check my BP and it was 116/69. My heart rate was 98 BPM. I
>felt perfectly fine and still full of energy. What gives?
>Was it the potassium? WAs it the 3 bottles full of water
>before I rode? Oh one more thing, during the ride I
>suddenly had to "go". My bladder was full. So I stopped and
>did my business and went on. Then when I got home I had to
>go again. That doesn't usually happen.
>
3 bottles of water, like 3 liters of water or 3 of 500 ml
(half liter) bottles?

If you drank 3 liters of water your body behaved perfectly
ok in my opinion. Did you drink at all on your ride? Sounds
like you should make a habit of hydrating more than you
usually do. I find being well watered keeps my head
clearer. Bernie

Ben A Gozar

Obviously not to you or you would have been following
the thread?

"DRS" <drs@remove.this.ihug.com.au> wrote in
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Drs

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> Obviously not to you or you would have been following
> the thread?

You cannot safely assume that everyone reading your posts
has access to any prior posts in the thread, much less has
read and remembered all of them. Attributing, relevant
quoting for context and bottom-posting are all part of
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Ben A Gozar

"DRS" <drs@remove.this.ihug.com.au> wrote in
news:ccrbv6$4f9$2@lust.ihug.co.nz:

>
> You cannot safely assume that everyone reading your posts
> has access to any prior posts in the thread, much less has
> read and remembered all of them. Attributing, relevant
> quoting for context and bottom-posting are all part of
> Usenet etiquette for sound reasons.
>

I may assume that most people are using a proper news reader
or know how to use Google? A capsulated catch up...

OP gets dizzy towards the end of ride

Someone decides to practice medicine via newsgroup perhaps
w/ out a license? I have a problem with this for obvious
reasons. I sure hope this is not SOP.

I suggest OP see a doctor.

Someone takes offense that I suggest OP see a doctor.

I question the tone of that post and the validity of some
statements that were made as they may or may not apply to
the human race.

Someone questions my source on a point I made about a
hypertension. symptom.

I recite personal experience and apologise for an inference
that wasn't meant.

You jump in.

So here we are still talking about an off post subject, but
at least everyone now is updated.

Please let me apologise again for not including and
updating all readers on a minor off topic post that was
meant for a few individuals (who may not have used a valid
email address - which is a usenet violation and makes it
impossible to have a private email discussion) and not for
the whole group.

Can we let this thread die now or at least bring it
back to OP?

Drs

"Ben A Gozar" <azigni@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95236210A9826svenyahoocom@130.133.1.4
> "DRS" <drs@remove.this.ihug.com.au> wrote in
> news:ccrbv6$4f9$2@lust.ihug.co.nz:
>
>> You cannot safely assume that everyone reading your posts
>> has access to any prior posts in the thread, much less
>> has read and remembered all of them. Attributing,
>> relevant quoting for context and bottom-posting are all
>> part of Usenet etiquette for sound reasons.
>
> I may assume that most people are using a proper news
> reader or know how to use Google? A capsulated catch up...
>
> OP gets dizzy towards the end of ride
>
> Someone decides to practice medicine via newsgroup perhaps
> w/ out a license? I have a problem with this for obvious
> reasons. I sure hope this is not SOP.
>
> I suggest OP see a doctor.
>
> Someone takes offense that I suggest OP see a doctor.
>
> I question the tone of that post and the validity of some
> statements that were made as they may or may not apply to
> the human race.
>
> Someone questions my source on a point I made about a
> hypertension. symptom.
>
> I recite personal experience and apologise for an
> inference that wasn't meant.
>
> You jump in.

Welcome to Usenet.

> So here we are still talking about an off post subject,
> but at least everyone now is updated.
>
> Please let me apologise again for not including and
> updating all readers on a minor off topic post that was
> meant for a few individuals (who may not have used a valid
> email address - which is a

Usenet forums are for everybody. There's no such thing as a
private discussion on Usenet.

> usenet violation and makes it impossible to have a private
> email discussion) and not for the whole group.

> Can we let this thread die now or at least bring it
> back to OP?

Sure, now that the rest of us can follow what's going on.

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Badger_south

On 11 Jul 2004 15:38:15 GMT, Ben A Gozar <azigni@yahoo.com> wrote:

(who may not have used a valid email address - which is a
usenet
violation and makes it impossible to have a private email
discussion)

Many people do not appreciate an unsolicited email. With the
problem of spam and virii and trojans, unknown email is
typically deleted unread, anyway, at least by me.

-B

David Reuteler

Badger_South <Badger@south.net> wrote:
> BTW, looks like you need to hire me on as a bodyguard. I
> got some skillz in that area, plus the unnecessary upper
> body mass intimidation thing goin' on, heh-heh.
> http://www.visi.com/~reuteler/images/ouch.jpg

egads i must remember to purge the old photos. here's a
better one from my frustrated, overstressed grad school days
about 6 years later (& 8 years ago).

http://www.visi.com/~reuteler/images/reudi2.jpg

;-)

actually, that also sums up how i feel about my grad school
experience.

> I'll get a new set with my Trek and all the biking gear
> when I'm on vacation. The upper body has trimmed down a
> little but the quads and calves are hyoouge. I think my
> calves are like 18.5" cold, but need a little more defo.

not, uhh, really into measuring body parts but i'm pretty
sure i don't have 18" calves (but i got killer definition).
on the plus i do have larger biceps than tyler. ;-) for me &
my riding it ain't the legs that give out, it's the cardio.

> BTW, nice bike
> http://www.visi.com/~reuteler/images/seven.jpg You rule!

that's my baby. she eats road bikes for breakfast,
lunch & dinner.
--
david reuteler reuteler@visi.com

Badger_south

On 12 Jul 2004 06:16:01 GMT, David Reuteler <reuteler@visi.com> wrote:

>Badger_South <Badger@south.net> wrote:
>> BTW, looks like you need to hire me on as a bodyguard. I
>> got some skillz in that area, plus the unnecessary upper
>> body mass intimidation thing goin' on, heh-heh.
>> http://www.visi.com/~reuteler/images/ouch.jpg
>
>egads i must remember to purge the old photos. here's a
>better one from my frustrated, overstressed grad school
>days about 6 years later (& 8 years ago).

I forgot the story. Did ya get socked? That's a great photo
with your friends all mugging btw.

>
>http://www.visi.com/~reuteler/images/reudi2.jpg
>
>;-)

Ah, digitally going through the prime numbers.

>actually, that also sums up how i feel about my grad school
>experience.
>
>> I'll get a new set with my Trek and all the biking gear
>> when I'm on vacation. The upper body has trimmed down a
>> little but the quads and calves are hyoouge. I think my
>> calves are like 18.5" cold, but need a little more defo.
>
>not, uhh, really into measuring body parts but i'm pretty
>sure i don't have 18" calves (but i got killer
>definition). on the plus i do have larger biceps than
>tyler. ;-) for me & my riding it ain't the legs that give
>out, it's the cardio.

Taping biceps measurements and calves is a hold over from
the weight training/bodybuilder days. For me, depending on
terrain, legs and cardio both improving. My 25 and 33 y.o.
self from the past would still kick my current 53y.o. asses
ass, but I'm gaining on 'em. ;-D

Back then I just rode - no real concept in my 20s of
'training'. We just rode. (I was 150lb then, too.)

>> BTW, nice bike
>> http://www.visi.com/~reuteler/images/seven.jpg You rule!
>
>that's my baby. she eats road bikes for breakfast, lunch
>& dinner.

I bet. So where you riding these days?

-B

Muskie

Dwayne,

Well this is excellent news! It sounds like things
are going better. Of course, the temperature being a
bit lower certainly helps. If all of this worked,
then I think you should continue to follow the
formula. I doubt that the potassium made any
difference. Likely keeping hydrated did make a
difference. Also, the fact that you had to go to the
bathroom a lot is good too. It means that your body
is well-hydrated. Perhaps your first dizzying ride
was a little more intense than what you were used
to. If you weren't used to riding this hard, the
body can sometimes go into a sort of shock when it's
put under heavy physical activity. Keep us updated.

- Muskie

Dwayne wrote:
> Badger_South <Badger@South.net> wrote in message
> news:<cobve0pdklp1hr4luqhvtu59kj28d500jr@4ax.com>...
>
>>On 10 Jul 2004 07:43:20 GMT, Ben A Gozar
>><azigni@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Below is the way I meant my note to be read. It was an
>>>estimation of course, but we men aren't exactly known to
>>>be running to the doctor at the rate of women. The sad
>>>news is once we pass forty things go wrong and we men
>>>tend to die off rather suddenly. Two of my friends went
>>>in for a check up only for the doctors to have bp
>>>readings on both of them of almost

>>>visited my doctor for completely different problems I
>>>could no longer ignore and I found out I am not 16 any
>>>more. In the United States at least, I think the Doctor
>>>may be closer to correct, than farther from it.
>>>
>>>At any rate I do not have an informed opinion on whether
>>>it is a true statement or not, I was just passing on what
>>>was told to me.
>>>
>>>
>>>>When I read it, I gave it a totally different
>>>>interpretation than either of the above: For every man
>>>>that he sees in the office, he estimates there are 15
>>>>others with serious health problems who are not coming
>>>>in, and could be at serious risk.
>>
>>And I'm saying that if you are active, have no obvious
>>risk, such as smoking, overweight, alcoholic, and soforth
>>that there's no reason to be this paranoid. Of course if
>>you walk down the street you'll see lots of examples of
>>couch potatoes walking out of bars, chain smoking. I'd say
>>90% of these guys are at significant risk. But without
>>doing a physical, guess what? I'd be pulling that
>>estimation out of my ass.
>>
>>Certain risk factors might be predictable based on your
>>genetics - many black men have high blood pressure, and
>>for them, over 40, go get that checked. Otherwise, to
>>quote that kind of figure to any particular patient is a
>>scare tactic, and meaningless. You pretty much know your
>>risk factors,
>>b/c you know how you're abusing your body. But among a sub
>> group, such as bikers who have been doing it for 10
>> years and are lean and fit and active and don't overdo
>> their vices, would that be the case? My dad is 81,
>> active all his life, and has smoked a pack of unfiltered
>> cigs a day since he was 25, and still going strong - go
>> figure. In my case, go look at my pic at 50 and tell me
>> what kind of risk factors I have.
>>
>>http://www.pbase.com/image/18847396/medium
>>
>>So, IMO, for your doc to say that is meaningless,
>>irresponsible (for making you paranoid, if it did) and he
>>could have said 9 out of 10 or 1 out of 100 and both been
>>right, depending on demographic.
>>
>>I'll tell you what's dangerous, though. Go into any
>>hospital to have a minor procedure and your chances of
>>never coming out again are quite high, due to nosocomial
>>infection (hospital antibiotic resistant bugs), surgical
>>mistakes, and other misadventures. So I could say doctors
>>- stay the freak away from them, b/c you could be
>>misdiagnosed or they could just have seen a patient with
>>resistant strep and forgot to wash his hands. Did your doc
>>wash his hands before he left your exam room? He didn't?
>>OMG! ;-)
>>
>>Go check out some sites that talk about 'what they don't
>>tell you about medical exams'. Do you know that the
>>devices they use for endoscopy and rectal exams can not be
>>properly sterilized? THat's right, the chances are good
>>that the last patient they scoped has left a little bit of
>>blood or body fluid inside the device and now it's inside
>>you. There's no known way to sterilize against prion
>>infections (mad cow), so if you have an operation, you
>>might be innoculated with CJD and not know it. What if
>>you're having an appendectomy and they nick an artery and
>>you have to get blood? Or the anesthesiologist gives you
>>the wrong gas (happened to my dad and they tried to cover
>>it up - he actually went into cardiac arrest b/c they gave
>>him 5 times the dose needed by mistake when he had a
>>kidney stone removed). See, it works both ways. ;-p
>>
>>OK, sorry for the rant....
>>
>>-B
>
>
> Ok here's what happened this morning. I got up at 7:20 and
> showered and got dressed and the entire time I was
> drinking bottles of filtered water, about 3 bottles full,
> plus. Then I ate a peanut butter granola bar and a small
> amount of peanut butter for sustained energy. I checked my
> BP and it was 129/92. I checked my blood sugar count with
> my wife's kit and it was 102, before I ate anything
> (fasting). She told me that was a fairly good reading,
> diabetes would be 130 - 200+, while fasting all night.
> then I took one 99 mg potassium tablet and 3 cal/mag/zinc
> = 1000 mg total, tablets. Then, I went riding for about 2
> hours and rode about 22 miles and the temp was about 77
> with about 80 % humid, the temp was normal but the humid.
> was a little less than usual here. Everything went fine. I
> didn't get a bit sick. I even pushed myself to do more and
> had no problems. Even when my buddies wanted to turn back
> before it got too hot, I wanted to go further but we
> turned back, probably a good idea anyway, I thought. I
> rode all the way back with no problems. then as soon as I
> got in the door at home, I check my BP and it was 116/69.
> My heart rate was 98 BPM. I felt perfectly fine and still
> full of energy. What gives? Was it the potassium? WAs it
> the 3 bottles full of water before I rode? Oh one more
> thing, during the ride I suddenly had to "go". My bladder
> was full. So I stopped and did my business and went on.
> Then when I got home I had to go again. That doesn't
> usually happen.