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Ewoud Dronkert

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 00:19:58 GMT, h squared wrote:
>> strijkijzer.
>
> my dictionary says flat iron, but is there more to it than that?

No that's it. http://www.xs4all.nl/~ewoud/cycling/strijkijzers.mp3

> if you live in belgium you know about the ronde van vlaanderen, same
> way as if you live in the usa, you know about the superbowl. but she
> said that soccer is still more popular than bike racing. )

Right. It's the same with speedskating and the Elfstedentocht in Holland
(oops, Friesland).

Ewoud Dronkert

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:28:56 +1200, Stewart Fleming wrote:
> Speaking of payoffs, was it just a bad translation or did Paolo Bettini
> really say "I paid cash for that [the chase] in the last 20km"?

Probably Italian -> Dutch -> English. It's an expression in Dutch.

h squared

Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
>

> No that's it. http://www.xs4all.nl/~ewoud/cycling/strijkijzers.mp3

alright, i'm returning my "learn dutch in 3 months" tapes that i bought
7 years ago and demanding a full refund. all i got from that (besides
the proper names) was something about "three people" and i'm not even
sure of that. i heard "strijkijzer" at the very end, but only because i
knew to listen for it

>
> > if you live in belgium you know about the ronde van vlaanderen, same
> > way as if you live in the usa, you know about the superbowl. but she
> > said that soccer is still more popular than bike racing. )
>
> Right. It's the same with speedskating and the Elfstedentocht in Holland
> (oops, Friesland).

i had never realized. strange how something like that can happen, like
suddenly you think, "oh, when they said it was popular, they meant it
was popular!! now i get it..."

heather
have there been any elfstedentochts (elfstedentochten?) lately?

Faster Bordello

Ewoud Dronkert wrote:

> On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:28:56 +1200, Stewart Fleming wrote:
>
>>Speaking of payoffs, was it just a bad translation or did Paolo Bettini
>>really say "I paid cash for that [the chase] in the last 20km"?
>
>
> Probably Italian -> Dutch -> English. It's an expression in Dutch.
Probably translate better to something like " I paid in big coin for
that chase.." ie. I dug deep and worked my ass off, and it hurt.

Jeff Jones

"h squared" <peckledoggyremovetoreply@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> >
>
> > No that's it. http://www.xs4all.nl/~ewoud/cycling/strijkijzers.mp3
>
> alright, i'm returning my "learn dutch in 3 months" tapes that i bought
> 7 years ago and demanding a full refund. all i got from that (besides
> the proper names) was something about "three people" and i'm not even
> sure of that. i heard "strijkijzer" at the very end, but only because i
> knew to listen for it
>
Very very rough:

Spruch is a fast man and in front of him there are three men riding: Tafi,
Wauters (and who's the third again?) Serpellini. To be honest, that's a shop
full of strijkijzers [flat irons]

Jeff (who often sprints like a strijkijzer)

Ewoud Dronkert

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:56:07 GMT, h squared wrote:
> alright, i'm returning my "learn dutch in 3 months" tapes that i bought
> 7 years ago and demanding a full refund.

Haha! I doubt it makes much difference for you, but a lot of Dutchmen
(northern, from "above the Moerdijk") would also claim not to have
understood a word. It's Flemish. But hey, it's not the Flemish of Jef
Braeckevelt, or Briek Schotte. Try
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ewoud/cycling/muur.html

> have there been any elfstedentochts (elfstedentochten?) lately?

No, last three were in 1985, 1986 and 1997. (it's tochten).

Ewoud Dronkert

> It's Flemish.

OK, I had a listen again, and Uytterhoeven really speaks almost
accent-free Dutch. So it's not that :/

h squared

Jeff Jones wrote:
>
> Spruch is a fast man and in front of him there are three men riding: Tafi,
> Wauters (and who's the third again?) Serpellini. To be honest, that's a shop
> full of strijkijzers [flat irons]
>
> Jeff (who often sprints like a strijkijzer)

lol, at the "een winkel", i kept hearing "enrico"...my brain sprints
like a strijkijzer sometimes.

thank you jeff.

hh,

Amit

Sonarrat <mynick@nospam.hotmail> wrote in message news:<BC977B4B.2C89%mynick@nospam.hotmail>...
> in article df5bdaa0.0404051007.51d2337f@posting.google.com, Amit at
> amit@physics.utoronto.ca wrote on 4/5/04 11:07 AM:
>
> > h squared <peckledoggyremovetoreply@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:<40713C68.C6E0AF18@hotmail.com>...
> >> Jeff Jones wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "Benjamin Weiner" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote in message
> >>> news:40710709$1@darkstar...
> >>>> steve robertson <not.really@texus.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Then Hoste handed Wesemann a gift by chasing down Bruylandts's
> >>>> attack in the final km. Not sure why (perhaps rather chase down
> >>>> a rival Belgian team, damn the consequences?) or why Wesemann
> >>>> didn't react to Bruylandts right away (perhaps he sussed that
> >>>> Hoste would go for rivalry reasons, or because Hoste had been
> >>>> sitting on? Too complicated.) Chung, you really need to write
> >>>> up that study of game theory in cycling.
> >>>>
> >>> I don't think it was rivalry. I think Hoste was feeling "fresh" and was also
> >>> relatively inexperienced in this sort of a situation. Wesemann was smarter,
> >>> although I think he still would have won had he chased down Bruylandts
> >>> himself.
> >>
> >> i'm a terrible observer, but it looked to me like hoste did wait a bit
> >> for wessemann to chase, but maybe when he didn't, hoste didn't want to
> >> just give up his chance for a win. i don't see what bruylandts has to
> >> complain about really.
> > You're still a better observer than Kunich.
> >
> > Hoste was sitting on the whole way, not even soft pedalling through.
> > When Bruylandts pulled off Hoste actually pushed Bruylandts ahead of
> > him.
>
> Was that what the slap on the hand was about? I was wondering.
>

After Bruylandts pulled off, Hoste left a gap behind Wesemann for him
to move into rather than moving up behind Wesemann. Hoste pushed
Bruylandts ahead of him and they had a little exchange. Hoste didn't
do any work after the Bosberg until Wesemann forced his hand when
Bruylandts attacked with a km to go.

> >> even though hoste spent all day in front and then
> >> chased him down, hoste still beat him (unless he just gave up trying
> >> after hoste chased him down, but then he needs a spanking)
> > If you attack with a kilo to go and you can still sprint when you're
> > caught then you need to upgrade.
>
> It takes something like 3 minutes to recharge one's ATP-PC system, which
> provides about 3 seconds of explosive power... so for that matter, if you
> can do this, you should probably consider being a multimillion-dollar guinea
> pig for a doping company...
>

I could do this against sufficiently lame competition.

-Amit