Why I like George....

Tom Kunich

Isn't it pitiful how the trolls have to use other people's names because
they are so well known and ignored under their own?

peterwright

Tom Kunich wrote:
> Isn't it pitiful how the trolls have to use other people's names because
> they are so well known and ignored under their own?



The point that seems to be missed here is that, like Lance or not, he is
a world class rider and more importantly- a winner. George is a great
bloke and a class rider but does not have it in him to consistently win.
Take tennis as an example - in Macenroe's biog he tells of loads of
players that were better then him and stronger but did not have it in
them to win - they simply did not want it badly enough. It is the same
in every sport - there are those who ultimately would kill their mum to
win and need it more than anything.......and those who are good blokes.
Frank Bruno versus Mike Tyson.......

A winner never admits they were beaten by a better man - that would be
facing the fact that someone out there is better than you. A winner who
loses just got unlucky on the day...there is no one better.

Lance has that attitude...if you dont like it or it doesnt seem like
good sportsmanship then get real.



--

Ewoud Dronkert

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:48:13 GMT, Tom Kunich wrote:
> Isn't it pitiful how the trolls have to use other people's names because
> they are so well known and ignored under their own?

He really is called Jeff Jones (aka Sonarrat). Maybe the original JJ
should finally start calling himself Dr. Jones..?

h squared

Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> Maybe the original JJ
> should finally start calling himself Dr. Jones..?


what is jeff a doctor of?

hh

Jeff Jones

"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1uXec.8335$A_4.3133@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Isn't it pitiful how the trolls have to use other people's names because
> they are so well known and ignored under their own?
>
He's a genuine Jeff Jones. I'm sure we can come up with some better
demarcation than this though. I had no problem with Sonarrat.

cheers,
Jeff (the other other Jeff Jones)

Ewoud Dronkert

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:37:10 GMT, h squared wrote:
> what is jeff a doctor of?

Erlenmeyers. See http://www.cyclingnews.com/adpage/about.php

Jeff Jones

"h squared" <peckledoggyremovetoreply@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> > Maybe the original JJ
> > should finally start calling himself Dr. Jones..?
>
>
> what is jeff a doctor of?
>
chem (please, spare the jokes). It was actually a combined
theoretical/physical degree on modelling coal combustion. Brown coal looks
great in a miniskirt. I spent a lot of time reading Cyclingnews instead of
doing experiments. I had no idea it how it would influence my career :-)

Jeff

Tom Kunich

"Ewoud Dronkert" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:48:13 GMT, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > Isn't it pitiful how the trolls have to use other people's names because
> > they are so well known and ignored under their own?
>
> He really is called Jeff Jones (aka Sonarrat). Maybe the original JJ
> should finally start calling himself Dr. Jones..?

Actually that's even worse. Sonarrat hasn't been a troll that I've noticed
and usually had something to say that you would want to read. Pot shots at
Lance are a bit "in" aren't they? I'm actually not a great Lance fan because
he's too mechanical for my tastes. But a winner is a winner and someone
telling us that he'd rather a bunch of also-rans won is pretty unreal. Let's
face it, there were plenty of the "Anyone but Merckx" crowd during Eddy's
day.

Tom Kunich

"Jeff Jones" <jeff@cyclingnews-punt-com> wrote in message
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>
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1uXec.8335$A_4.3133@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > Isn't it pitiful how the trolls have to use other people's names because
> > they are so well known and ignored under their own?
> >
> He's a genuine Jeff Jones. I'm sure we can come up with some better
> demarcation than this though. I had no problem with Sonarrat.

My appologies to Sonarrat if I misunderstood his postings. But the
anti-Lance talk does get as boring as Brian Lafferty's "Every pro is a
doper".

Other Jeff Jones

Jeff Jones wrote:
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1uXec.8335$A_4.3133@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
>>Isn't it pitiful how the trolls have to use other people's names because
>>they are so well known and ignored under their own?
>>
>
> He's a genuine Jeff Jones.

Yep. My dad saw Cyclingnews.com for the first time the other day, saw
the name and said, "I didn't realize THAT'S what you were doing on the
Internet!"

> I'm sure we can come up with some better
> demarcation than this though. I had no problem with Sonarrat.
>
> cheers,
> Jeff (the other other Jeff Jones)

I'm sure that we can come to some kind of an agreement. Perhaps I can
switch back to Sonarrat, and you can see if you can get me an internship
over the summer. I don't eat much. (Only half joking.)

Nah, I just thought it would be funny to do this. Since you don't
agree, I'll change back after sending this message.

Sonarrat

(concatenated your two messages)


> Actually that's even worse. Sonarrat hasn't been a troll that I've
> noticed and usually had something to say that you would want to
> read. Pot shots at Lance are a bit "in" aren't they? I'm actually
> not a great Lance fan because he's too mechanical for my tastes. But
> a winner is a winner and someone telling us that he'd rather a bunch
> of also-rans won is pretty unreal. Let's face it, there were plenty
> of the "Anyone but Merckx" crowd during Eddy's day.

I'm not trolling, because I believe what I say; I don't think "a winner
is a winner," no matter how you look at it. In particular, from the
spectator's point of view, we're just in it for the entertainment and
catharsis. That's what spectator sports are about. If you're in it to
be an analyst, well, you ought to be making money off of it.

Catharsis comes from uncertainty, revelation... now the '03 Vuelta was
incredibly exciting, because on the one hand, you had Isidro Nozal
putting a minute and a half into David Millar, and on the other, you had
Alejandro Valverde scaring the living hell out of everyone. Then
finally, Roberto Heras turned the race sideways and though it was
anticlimactic because the underdog didn't win, it was incredible to
watch Heras flying up that mountain.

There was plenty of catharsis in the '03 Tour, too, but Lance only
contributed to it himself in terms of almost losing. (This was true
whether you are a fan of his or not, by the way.)

> My appologies to Sonarrat if I misunderstood his postings. But the
> anti-Lance talk does get as boring as Brian Lafferty's "Every pro is a
> doper".

That's my point!!!!! Once his career ends, hopefully, the Lance talk
will, too! And hopefully nobody else will win it 5 times for a long
while to come, because variety keeps the sport interesting.

-Sonarrat.

Howard Kveck

In article <107p0ff7gqner70@corp.supernews.com>,
Other Jeff Jones <jeffjones@stormloader.com> wrote:

> Jeff Jones wrote:

> > I'm sure we can come up with some better
> > demarcation than this though. I had no problem with Sonarrat.
> >
> > cheers,
> > Jeff (the other other Jeff Jones)
>
> I'm sure that we can come to some kind of an agreement. Perhaps I can
> switch back to Sonarrat, and you can see if you can get me an internship
> over the summer. I don't eat much. (Only half joking.)
>
> Nah, I just thought it would be funny to do this. Since you don't
> agree, I'll change back after sending this message.

Well, you could by "OJJ", but then I'd eventually ask you how the search
for the real killers is going.

--
tanx,
Howard

Q: Can we call it a quagmire yet?

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Howard Kveck

In article <8aafb26b.0404131049.6044f173@posting.google.com>,
jeffjones@stormloader.com (Other Jeff Jones) wrote:

> Here are some examples of ideal situations:
>
> Joseba Beloki DNS, Sylvain Chavanel takes up the mantle and wins.

Maybe in a couple-three years for Chavanel.

> Iban Mayo and Haimar Zubeldia 1-2 in Paris, or vice versa.

The first choice would be fine with me.

> Christophe Moreau finally comes out of his shell.

And...?

> Bobby Julich finally lives up to his potential.

He may have already done that in '98 (though he is riding pretty well
this year).

> Levi Leipheimer redeems.

S&H Green Stamps.

> Tyler Hamilton puts in a thrilling solo attack into Paris and beats
> Ullrich on the last day.

And the whole peloton beats him to a pulp for attacking on the last day.

> Roberto Heras beats his former team leader into the ground, with the
> help of Christian Vandevelde and Isidro Nozal.

You are talking about the Tour, right? (Though I'd be thrilled to see
Heras do really well at the Tour...)

How about adding Basso in this somewhere?

>
> Here are some examples of bad outcomes:
>
> Lance Armstrong breaks the record and we all suffer through one more
> year of Krispy Kreme trolls on rec.bicycles.racing.
> Jan Ullrich comes back from crashing his drunk ass into a bike rack
> and repeats his 1997 victory, having won nothing else the entire
> season.

--
tanx,
Howard

Q: Can we call it a quagmire yet?

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Sonarrat

In article <YOURhoward-3B0DEE.20232113042004@netnews.comcast.net>,
Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:

> > Here are some examples of ideal situations:
> >
> > Joseba Beloki DNS, Sylvain Chavanel takes up the mantle and wins.
> Maybe in a couple-three years for Chavanel.

Sure. It would be a nice surprise, though, and the French would be
thrilled. So would I.

> > Iban Mayo and Haimar Zubeldia 1-2 in Paris, or vice versa.
> The first choice would be fine with me.

Zubeldia has been alarmingly off form so far this season, though, so
Mayo may be a more realistic pick.

> > Christophe Moreau finally comes out of his shell.
> And...?

And Lance punctures on the shell.

> > Bobby Julich finally lives up to his potential.
> He may have already done that in '98 (though he is riding pretty well
> this year).

Could be.

> > Tyler Hamilton puts in a thrilling solo attack into Paris and beats
> > Ullrich on the last day.
> And the whole peloton beats him to a pulp for attacking on the last day.

And that's not exciting?

> > Roberto Heras beats his former team leader into the ground, with the
> > help of Christian Vandevelde and Isidro Nozal.
> You are talking about the Tour, right? (Though I'd be thrilled to see
> Heras do really well at the Tour...)

Yes. How often have you seen Heras pacing Armstrong, and he has to go up
to Heras and tell him to slow down?

> How about adding Basso in this somewhere?

Why not? He's good enough. Or how about Vinokourov vs. Ullrich - one of
them says the wrong thing and they get turned against each other? Or
maybe Dario Frigo will make something happen? Or maybe Gilberto Simoni
manages to do the double?

My point is, there are a lot of better things that could happen than
Armstrong's 6th.

-Sonarrat.