EPO and Hobby Cyclists

Fred

It's virtually impossible to get, if you're a moron.

http://www.noprescriptiondrugs.com/pharm93.html


"Gunny Bunny" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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> Is EPO really that easy to get ahold of and is it really that dangerous ??
>
> http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cycling...1178479,00.html
>
> http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/040325/2/2rhp.html
>
> http://bicycling.about.com/library/weekly/aa052800a.htm
>
> http://bicycling.about.com/library/weekly/aa022199.htm
>
>
>

Gunny Bunny

Is EPO really that easy to get ahold of and is it really that dangerous ??

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cycling...1178479,00.html

http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/040325/2/2rhp.html

http://bicycling.about.com/library/weekly/aa052800a.htm

http://bicycling.about.com/library/weekly/aa022199.htm

trg

IMO, EPO is of little practical value to anyone but an elite athlete (and of
course those with serious medical conditions).

Increasing the amount of oxygen available to muscles will only help if the
muscles are trained to such a state that they can use all the oxygen already
available. If your muscles are not able to use all the oxygen available (the
case with most of us), increasing red blood cells to provide more oxygen
(the action of EPO) won't be of much help.

Gunny Bunny wrote:
> Is EPO really that easy to get ahold of and is it really that
> dangerous ??
>
> http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cycling...1178479,00.html
>
> http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/040325/2/2rhp.html
>
> http://bicycling.about.com/library/weekly/aa052800a.htm
>
> http://bicycling.about.com/library/weekly/aa022199.htm

Gunny Bunny

Oh, u make some good points there

However, I tend to disagree, we all get tired 'eventually' and gasp for air,
if we have more platelets, we would not tire as quickly.

"trg" <trg@world.REMOVETHIS.std.com> wrote in message
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> IMO, EPO is of little practical value to anyone but an elite athlete (and
of
> course those with serious medical conditions).
>
> Increasing the amount of oxygen available to muscles will only help if the
> muscles are trained to such a state that they can use all the oxygen
already
> available. If your muscles are not able to use all the oxygen available
(the
> case with most of us), increasing red blood cells to provide more oxygen
> (the action of EPO) won't be of much help.
>
> Gunny Bunny wrote:
> > Is EPO really that easy to get ahold of and is it really that
> > dangerous ??
> >
> > http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cycling...1178479,00.html
> >
> > http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/040325/2/2rhp.html
> >
> > http://bicycling.about.com/library/weekly/aa052800a.htm
> >
> > http://bicycling.about.com/library/weekly/aa022199.htm
>
>

J999w

>However, I tend to disagree, we all get tired 'eventually' and gasp for air,
>if we have more platelets, we would not tire as quickly.

Platelets or something else?

jw

Derk

Gunny Bunny wrote:

> However, I tend to disagree, we all get tired 'eventually' and gasp for
> air, if we have more platelets, we would not tire as quickly.
Well, if you don't mind gambling with your health.....

Why do you think it's banned?

Derk

NobodyMan

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:02:47 -0400, "Gunny Bunny" <none@none.com>
wrote:


>"trg" <trg@world.REMOVETHIS.std.com> wrote in message
>news:408153cd$0$503$636a15ce@news.free.fr...
>> IMO, EPO is of little practical value to anyone but an elite athlete (and
>of
>> course those with serious medical conditions).
>>
>> Increasing the amount of oxygen available to muscles will only help if the
>> muscles are trained to such a state that they can use all the oxygen
>already
>> available. If your muscles are not able to use all the oxygen available
>(the
>> case with most of us), increasing red blood cells to provide more oxygen
>> (the action of EPO) won't be of much help.
>>
>> Gunny Bunny wrote:
>> > Is EPO really that easy to get ahold of and is it really that
>> > dangerous ??
>> >
>> > http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cycling...1178479,00.html
>> >
>> > http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/040325/2/2rhp.html
>> >
>> > http://bicycling.about.com/library/weekly/aa052800a.htm
>> >
>> > http://bicycling.about.com/library/weekly/aa022199.htm
>>
>>
>
>Oh, u make some good points there
>
>However, I tend to disagree, we all get tired 'eventually' and gasp for air,
>if we have more platelets, we would not tire as quickly.
>
Platelets have nothing to do with performance enhancement using EPO,
or with the carrying of O2 in the bloodstream.

EPO stimulates the production of red blood cells, pushing more of
those critters into the bloodstream, providing more oxygen carrying
capablility.

Truth is, most of us don't use all the oxygen already provided in our
blood. Our muscles just aren't "trained" to that level yet, unlike
the elite athletes. Increasing the capacity won't help if you can't
muscles don't max out the draw for what is already there.

In fact, you place yourself in jeopard. You clog your bloodstream
with more rbcs, raising your hematocrit level, but when you go out and
sweat, you lower the plasma level, becoming more and more likely to
form an embolis - and die.

Improper use of EPO can and has killed people. Don't play with this
one folks.

Gunny Bunny

"BaCardi" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
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> Fred wrote:
> > It's virtually impossible to get, if you're a moron.
> >
http://www.noprescriptiondrugs.com/....noprescriptio-
> > ndrugs.com/pharm93.html
>
>
>
>
> This is totally irresponsible for you to post a link to an online
> pharmacy where you can supposedly buy this stuff. 1) This stuff is
> dangerous and 2) There are illegal pharmacies like this one all over the
> place. You could do a search on google and find a lot of these places.
> They are illegal in the USA, Canada, Eurpeon nations, etc. I've read
> about places like this. They take your money and run.
>
> EPO is and should be prescribed by physicians. It is a prescription drug
> and is illegal to purchase without consent and supervision from a
> doctor. The stuff is highly dangerous. Your suggestion of a place to buy
> the stuff is out of line. To the OP, DON'T DO IT!

Well, Patani did it and it worked for him !!

Andy Coggan

"NobodyMan" <none@none.net> wrote in message
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> EPO stimulates the production of red blood cells, pushing more of
> those critters into the bloodstream, providing more oxygen carrying
> capablility.
>
> Truth is, most of us don't use all the oxygen already provided in our
> blood. Our muscles just aren't "trained" to that level yet, unlike
> the elite athletes. Increasing the capacity won't help if you can't
> muscles don't max out the draw for what is already there.

This is not true.

Andy Coggan

Werehatrack

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 08:08:38 -0400, "Gunny Bunny" <none@none.com> may
have said:

>Is EPO really that easy to get ahold of

Yes.

>and is it really that dangerous ??

Yes, if improperly used. Of course, for some people, the only safe
dose is zero. In light of the lack of ability for the average person
to evaluate the drug's safety for their own use, do you want to take
the risk given the small benefit that might theoretically be obtained?
Bear in mind that the most probable outcome of its use for someone who
is not a competitive-level athlete is that you won't be able to tell
much of a difference if any...

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NobodyMan

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 01:37:00 GMT, "Andy Coggan"
<acoggan@earthlink.net> wrote:

>"NobodyMan" <none@none.net> wrote in message
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>
>> EPO stimulates the production of red blood cells, pushing more of
>> those critters into the bloodstream, providing more oxygen carrying
>> capablility.
>>
>> Truth is, most of us don't use all the oxygen already provided in our
>> blood. Our muscles just aren't "trained" to that level yet, unlike
>> the elite athletes. Increasing the capacity won't help if you can't
>> muscles don't max out the draw for what is already there.
>
>This is not true.
>
>Andy Coggan
>
Research cites to back this, please?

Tom Kunich

"Andy Coggan" <acoggan@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "NobodyMan" <none@none.net> wrote in message
> news:9sd3805dr28n889atna8il76959rmbkh5h@4ax.com...
>
> > EPO stimulates the production of red blood cells, pushing more of
> > those critters into the bloodstream, providing more oxygen carrying
> > capablility.
> >
> > Truth is, most of us don't use all the oxygen already provided in our
> > blood. Our muscles just aren't "trained" to that level yet, unlike
> > the elite athletes. Increasing the capacity won't help if you can't
> > muscles don't max out the draw for what is already there.
>
> This is not true.

I wonder where people pick up these myths. EPO is beginning to have more
myths about it than helmets.

Tom Kunich

"Gunny Bunny" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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> Is EPO really that easy to get ahold of and is it really that dangerous ??

EPO is of little worth to a normal human being. If you're like most every
other humans on the planet you already have a hematocrit of somewhere
between 42% and 50% NORMALLY. Most recreational racers/riders will already
be from 46%-48%. Stress will be a major factor in RBC lifespan for you.

If you are highly trained athlete who has been training very hard over a
long period of time your hematocrit can fall not so much from not being able
to replace RBC's fast enough as from increasing your total blood volume from
training. You can also reduce the numbers of RBC's from extended anaerobic
training.

Most people aren't going to train this hard or this long. Therefore, EPO
isn't of much use to someone that isn't a highly trained athlete since
additional slight gains in oxygen carrying capacity aren't matched by
additional total blood volume.

EPO forces the body to produce additional RBC's. However, it ain't magic. If
you use it too often and in too high doses, it can cause some pretty serious
side effects ranging from your marrow being depleted of immature RBC's to
developing an allergy to your own EPO which of course means curtains.

So the long and the short of it are that it does almost nothing to a normal
cyclist and can end up killing you. Does that sound like a good tradeoff to
you?

Carl Sundquist

"NobodyMan" <none@none.net> wrote in message
> >>
> >> Truth is, most of us don't use all the oxygen already provided in our
> >> blood. Our muscles just aren't "trained" to that level yet, unlike
> >> the elite athletes. Increasing the capacity won't help if you can't
> >> muscles don't max out the draw for what is already there.
> >
> >This is not true.
> >
> >Andy Coggan
> >
> Research cites to back this, please?
>
>

1. Get on an airplane. Fly to Fresno, CA. Watch out for queers. Drive east
to Mt. Whitney trailhead. Hike to summit.

2. Take some EPO. Repeat #1. Your journey will be easier, no matter whether
you have increased your fitness or not.