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Who Is Favoured In The Tour De France ?

 
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Old 22-04.-2004, 10:01 AM   #1
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I heard Lance Armstrong is no longer the favourite !


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Old 22-04.-2004, 10:31 AM   #2
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Troll...Not funny this time, though.

"Gunny Bunny" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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> I heard Lance Armstrong is no longer the favourite !
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Old 22-04.-2004, 10:34 AM   #3
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in article VKEhc.21950$CO3.961908@news20.bellglobal.com, Gunny Bunny at
none@none.com wrote on 4/21/04 6:01 PM:

> I heard Lance Armstrong is no longer the favourite !


Iban Mayo.

-Sonarrat.

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Old 22-04.-2004, 10:39 AM   #4
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Sonarrat wrote:

> in article VKEhc.21950$CO3.961908@news20.bellglobal.com, Gunny Bunny at
> none@none.com wrote on 4/21/04 6:01 PM:
>
>
>>I heard Lance Armstrong is no longer the favourite !

>
>
> Iban Mayo.
>
> -Sonarrat.
>


After reviewing Mayo's sterling performance in 2002, I'm think he peaked
last year. Vino should be a threat if he wasn't working for Ullrich.
Heras has been rather uneven, but if he's in good shape and Liberty
Seguros is sharp he's probably the bigger danger. He's usually ready to
turn it up on the first mountain stage, before Lance has his climbing
legs ticking over.

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Old 22-04.-2004, 01:02 PM   #5
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On 4/21/04 6:34 PM, in article BCAC6F2A.3041%mynick@nospam.hotmail,
"Sonarrat" <mynick@nospam.hotmail> wrote:

> in article VKEhc.21950$CO3.961908@news20.bellglobal.com, Gunny Bunny at
> none@none.com wrote on 4/21/04 6:01 PM:
>
>> I heard Lance Armstrong is no longer the favourite !

>
> Iban Mayo.
>
> -Sonarrat.
>


Kurgan Gringioni

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Old 22-04.-2004, 01:36 PM   #6
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in article c677o2$oo@dispatch.concentric.net, Richard Adams at
ackthpt@concentric.net wrote on 4/21/04 6:39 PM:

> Sonarrat wrote:
>
>> in article VKEhc.21950$CO3.961908@news20.bellglobal.com, Gunny Bunny at
>> none@none.com wrote on 4/21/04 6:01 PM:
>>
>>
>>> I heard Lance Armstrong is no longer the favourite !

>>
>>
>> Iban Mayo.
>>
>> -Sonarrat.
>>

>
> After reviewing Mayo's sterling performance in 2002, I'm think he peaked
> last year.


He's only 26. How could he possibly have peaked last year?

> Vino should be a threat if he wasn't working for Ullrich.


Floyd Landis, George Hincapie and José Azevedo will be doing all the work
for the rest of the peloton. What's to worry?

> Heras has been rather uneven, but if he's in good shape and Liberty
> Seguros is sharp he's probably the bigger danger. He's usually ready to
> turn it up on the first mountain stage, before Lance has his climbing
> legs ticking over.


Heras just may be the spoiler. If it works out that way, then his next goal
after that should be to win the Vuelta and show Armstrong there are other
ways to be a champion. Same goes for Iban Mayo and Aitor Gonzalez, for that
matter...

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Old 22-04.-2004, 02:55 PM   #7
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Sonarrat wrote:

> in article c677o2$oo@dispatch.concentric.net, Richard Adams at
> ackthpt@concentric.net wrote on 4/21/04 6:39 PM:
>
>
>>Sonarrat wrote:
>>
>>
>>>in article VKEhc.21950$CO3.961908@news20.bellglobal.com, Gunny Bunny at
>>>none@none.com wrote on 4/21/04 6:01 PM:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I heard Lance Armstrong is no longer the favourite !
>>>
>>>
>>>Iban Mayo.
>>>
>>>-Sonarrat.
>>>

>>
>>After reviewing Mayo's sterling performance in 2002, I'm think he peaked
>>last year.

>
>
> He's only 26. How could he possibly have peaked last year?


Same way I think Beloki was as good as he ever was, but still not good
enough. Mayo's good, but only in a race that doesn't feature one of a
half dozen other riders were are familiar with.

>>Vino should be a threat if he wasn't working for Ullrich.

>
>
> Floyd Landis, George Hincapie and José Azevedo will be doing all the work
> for the rest of the peloton. What's to worry?


The one things Vino can't do is toss a lasso over Ullrich and drag his
butt over the mountains.

>>Heras has been rather uneven, but if he's in good shape and Liberty
>>Seguros is sharp he's probably the bigger danger. He's usually ready to
>>turn it up on the first mountain stage, before Lance has his climbing
>>legs ticking over.

>
>
> Heras just may be the spoiler. If it works out that way, then his next goal
> after that should be to win the Vuelta and show Armstrong there are other
> ways to be a champion. Same goes for Iban Mayo and Aitor Gonzalez, for that
> matter...
>
> -Sonarrat.
>


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Old 22-04.-2004, 06:24 PM   #8
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 04:02:31 GMT, Steve wrote:
> Kurgan Gringioni


You miss him, don't you? Don't worry, we all do. But did you notice,
as Chung did, that Brian Laffatme sometimes leaves two blank lines
between paragraphs?!



-ED

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Old 22-04.-2004, 10:00 PM   #9
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 04:02:31 GMT, Steve
<sdsteve@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> in article VKEhc.21950$CO3.961908@news20.bellglobal.com, Gunny Bunny at
>> none@none.com wrote on 4/21/04 6:01 PM:
>>
>>> I heard Lance Armstrong is no longer the favourite !

>
>Kurgan Gringioni


Fabrizio Mazzoleni.
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Old 22-04.-2004, 10:14 PM   #10
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In rec.bicycles.tech Gunny Bunny <none@none.com> wrote:

> I heard Lance Armstrong is no longer the favourite !


Well, Ullrich certainly isn't.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slu...uters&type=lgns

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Old 22-04.-2004, 11:13 PM   #11
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Richard Adams <ackthpt@concentric.net> wrote in message news:<c677o2$oo@dispatch.concentric.net>...
> Sonarrat wrote:
>
> > in article VKEhc.21950$CO3.961908@news20.bellglobal.com, Gunny Bunny at
> > none@none.com wrote on 4/21/04 6:01 PM:
> >
> >
> >>I heard Lance Armstrong is no longer the favourite !

> >
> >
> > Iban Mayo.
> >
> > -Sonarrat.
> >

>
> After reviewing Mayo's sterling performance in 2002, I'm think he peaked
> last year. Vino should be a threat if he wasn't working for Ullrich.
> Heras has been rather uneven, but if he's in good shape and Liberty
> Seguros is sharp he's probably the bigger danger. He's usually ready to
> turn it up on the first mountain stage, before Lance has his climbing
> legs ticking over.


There is a big difference in being in good shape and being a Tour
champion. Heras has no chance to win this year or any other year. Some
of you people just don't get it. You have to be a truly great rider to
win the Tour. Merckx was great, Indurian was great, Lemond was great,
Lance is great, Heras... not so great.

Buzz
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Old 22-04.-2004, 11:55 PM   #12
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In article <dd4ec770.0404220613.5e5d1505@posting.google.com>,
buzz_macdonald@hotmail.com says...
> Richard Adams <ackthpt@concentric.net> wrote in message news:<c677o2$oo@dispatch.concentric.net>...
> > Sonarrat wrote:
> >
> > > in article VKEhc.21950$CO3.961908@news20.bellglobal.com, Gunny Bunny at
> > > none@none.com wrote on 4/21/04 6:01 PM:
> > >
> > >
> > >>I heard Lance Armstrong is no longer the favourite !
> > >
> > >
> > > Iban Mayo.
> > >
> > > -Sonarrat.
> > >

> >
> > After reviewing Mayo's sterling performance in 2002, I'm think he peaked
> > last year. Vino should be a threat if he wasn't working for Ullrich.
> > Heras has been rather uneven, but if he's in good shape and Liberty
> > Seguros is sharp he's probably the bigger danger. He's usually ready to
> > turn it up on the first mountain stage, before Lance has his climbing
> > legs ticking over.

>
> There is a big difference in being in good shape and being a Tour
> champion. Heras has no chance to win this year or any other year. Some
> of you people just don't get it. You have to be a truly great rider to
> win the Tour. Merckx was great, Indurian was great, Lemond was great,
> Lance is great, Heras... not so great.


I agree, Heras has a shot at the mountain goat jersey, but not the
overall. He's just not strong enough in the TT's.


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Old 23-04.-2004, 12:58 AM   #13
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"Harris" <aharris@bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote in message
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> In rec.bicycles.tech Gunny Bunny <none@none.com> wrote:
>
> > I heard Lance Armstrong is no longer the favourite !

>
> Well, Ullrich certainly isn't.
>
> http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slu...uters&type=lgns
>


Never underestimate the power of misinformation.

Greg


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Old 23-04.-2004, 02:00 AM   #14
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"G.T." <getnews1@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Harris" <aharris@bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote in message
> news:YyPhc.3104$WC3.27778@ord-read.news.verio.net...
> > In rec.bicycles.tech Gunny Bunny <none@none.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I heard Lance Armstrong is no longer the favourite !

> >
> > Well, Ullrich certainly isn't.
> >
> > http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slu...uters&type=lgns
> >

>
> Never underestimate the power of misinformation.
>

What's wrong with that report? If you saw Ullrich racing in Fleche
yesterday, you would realise that it would be pointless for him to start
LBL. He doesn't have anything like the condition he had last year at this
time.

Jeff


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Old 23-04.-2004, 02:48 AM   #15
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David Kerber <ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net> wrote in message news:<MPG.1af1a1e780043da1989717@news.ids.net>...
> In article <dd4ec770.0404220613.5e5d1505@posting.google.com>,
> buzz_macdonald@hotmail.com says...
> > Richard Adams <ackthpt@concentric.net> wrote in message news:<c677o2$oo@dispatch.concentric.net>...
> > > Sonarrat wrote:
> > >
> > > > in article VKEhc.21950$CO3.961908@news20.bellglobal.com, Gunny Bunny at
> > > > none@none.com wrote on 4/21/04 6:01 PM:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>I heard Lance Armstrong is no longer the favourite !
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Iban Mayo.
> > > >
> > > > -Sonarrat.
> > > >
> > >
> > > After reviewing Mayo's sterling performance in 2002, I'm think he peaked
> > > last year. Vino should be a threat if he wasn't working for Ullrich.
> > > Heras has been rather uneven, but if he's in good shape and Liberty
> > > Seguros is sharp he's probably the bigger danger. He's usually ready to
> > > turn it up on the first mountain stage, before Lance has his climbing
> > > legs ticking over.

> >
> > There is a big difference in being in good shape and being a Tour
> > champion. Heras has no chance to win this year or any other year. Some
> > of you people just don't get it. You have to be a truly great rider to
> > win the Tour. Merckx was great, Indurian was great, Lemond was great,
> > Lance is great, Heras... not so great.

>
> I agree, Heras has a shot at the mountain goat jersey, but not the
> overall. He's just not strong enough in the TT's.



Did I miss something? Did they take the mountain time trial out of
the 2004 TdF?

In case anyone missed it, Manolo "Venga Venga Venga" Saiz has happened
to turn out some decent TTT results and the team still has solid
talent to keep a leader out of trouble in the flat stages. Heras has
done some excellent TT riding, not first place stuff, but not far
enough down to hurt him if he piles some time on in the mountains.
They may have lost Azevedo, but they're no longer burdened by
supporting Beloki who couldn't match Heras in the mountains.
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