US Postal not seeing value to sponsorship... why?

Tom Kunich

"hold my beer and watch this..." <trdina@dejazzd.com> wrote in message
news:tNOdnTuqHtRFTBHdRVn-tA@dejazzd.com...
>
> If the USPS is so great, then why are you forbidden (by Federal Law, no
> less) from competing with them for non-parcel delivery?

Firstly, USPS only has a monopoly on first class mail and nothing else. And
the reason for that is that USPS is required to supply mail service to
EVERYWHERE in the USA. That means there is mail delivery to the smallest
Inuit village in the ice barrens outside of Barrow, AK.

If they weren't awarded a monopoly on this service the other companies would
chose to deliver first class mail ONLY to the major cities which they could
do for about the same price as USPS charges for first class now. This would
steal the only profitable service away from USPS and the American public
would end up having to pay much more for mail delivery to 80% of the USA.

Now if you were ONLY smart enough to do a web search on first class mail
you'd have already known this and wouldn't have to have looked like a brain
dead vermin.

Tom Kunich

"<<<<<< ]] gun_dog99 [[ >>>>>>" <||||||| woof-woof |||||> wrote in message
news:108pvmaifu4m6dd@corp.supernews.com...
> Maybe USPS wants to pull out before Lance starts loosing? Lets say he
wins
> a sixth... I doubt he can pull a seventh.

Why would that be?

Shayne Wissler

"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:rQdjc.10399$eZ5.9940@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> "hold my beer and watch this..." <trdina@dejazzd.com> wrote in message
> news:tNOdnTuqHtRFTBHdRVn-tA@dejazzd.com...
> >
> > If the USPS is so great, then why are you forbidden (by Federal Law, no
> > less) from competing with them for non-parcel delivery?
>
> Firstly, USPS only has a monopoly on first class mail and nothing else.
And
> the reason for that is that USPS is required to supply mail service to
> EVERYWHERE in the USA. That means there is mail delivery to the smallest
> Inuit village in the ice barrens outside of Barrow, AK.
>
> If they weren't awarded a monopoly on this service the other companies
would
> chose to deliver first class mail ONLY to the major cities which they
could
> do for about the same price as USPS charges for first class now. This
would
> steal the only profitable service away from USPS and the American public
> would end up having to pay much more for mail delivery to 80% of the USA.
>
> Now if you were ONLY smart enough to do a web search on first class mail
> you'd have already known this and wouldn't have to have looked like a
brain
> dead vermin.

On the contrary, private industry has demonstrated over and over again that
it can do things much more efficiently than the government can. Which is one
reason why socialists like you so quickly resort to name-calling: they know
they have no factual basis for their beliefs.


Shayne Wissler

Sam

And that relates to my post how? If UPS were sponsoring a team would you
pay the higher price because of it. Again, I am not increasing my use of
USPS. When I have to ship something I look at a couple of items like cost
and convenience and also any guarantee (USPS does not really guarantee
overnight--read the fine print at the USPS store sometime).

http://www.usps.com/shipping/expressmail.htm

Notice the part about checking with your local USPS for details. Why not
post it on the website?

All that said, I do find USPS to be a bargain. A person comes to my house
(well the box in the cul de sac) and delivers it anywhere in the continental
US for a small fee. However, people are using it less and less because
other services are faster and cheaper (internet and or FedEx/UPS) and more
reliable.


"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Sam, US Postal cost about half of what other freight organizations charge.
> $28 to ship a bare frame in a box UPS and $14 Postal. I shipped a guitar
> from a UPS Store and it cost me $85 two week delivery and they offered two
> day delivery at - get this - $300!!!!! US Postal is Boss.
>
>
> "Sam" <marathonman@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:SaWic.12226$e4.2720@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >
> > "Ewoud Dronkert" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> > news:u80n805fc5ircd3do20aojjsbk83qel87e@4ax.com...
> > > On 24 Apr 2004 23:37:20 -0800, Benjamin Weiner wrote:
> > > > The issue with USPS is
> > > > probably partly caused by the sponsorship audit and partly
> > > > because USPS is really a Europe-based team.
> > >
> > > About Europe; I don't think so. 90% of Americans know Lance Armstrong,
> > > that's enough exposure. I think it's a question of added value of
> > > another year or years of sponsorship after (already) 5 years of
striking
> > > gold.
> >
> > Just because people know about USPS does not mean they are getting more
> > business. I have not mailed much of anything over the past 2 years. It
> is
> > not like I am thinking "Man I am going to write more letters and pay
more
> > bills via snail mail to support USPS." The intent (at least stated
> before)
> > was to get into the Euro overnight market. Perhaps the sponsorship
money
> is
> > not justified. That is fine; companies come and go. Plus I am sure
that
> > with Lance's post 2004 career in question (does he retire?) it might be
a
> > good time to pull out.
> >
> >
>
>

Howard Kveck

In article <F7ejc.42387$IW1.2064745@attbi_s52>,
"Shayne Wissler" <thalesNOSPAM000@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On the contrary, private industry has demonstrated over and over again that
> it can do things much more efficiently than the government can. Which is one
> reason why socialists like you so quickly resort to name-calling: they know
> they have no factual basis for their beliefs.
>
>
> Shayne Wissler

Uh, Shayne, not to burst your bubble, but... Tom is no socialist. Oh, no.
Very far from it. Very, VERY far. Just so you know in the future.

--
tanx,
Howard

Q: Can we call it a quagmire yet?

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

hold my beer and watch this...

Tom,

Please quote the federal statute(s) that defines 'first class mail' as well
as the other types of delivery services for which USPS is or is not granted
exclusivity.

Thanks in advance,
Hold My


BTW: I'm assuming this exercise will be similar to when you told us all
about how to validate a biological test method (e.g., the EPO assay), then
upon further examination, it became apparent that you didn't know what the
fuck you were talking about.






"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:rQdjc.10399$eZ5.9940@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> "hold my beer and watch this..." <trdina@dejazzd.com> wrote in message
> news:tNOdnTuqHtRFTBHdRVn-tA@dejazzd.com...
> >
> > If the USPS is so great, then why are you forbidden (by Federal Law, no
> > less) from competing with them for non-parcel delivery?
>
> Firstly, USPS only has a monopoly on first class mail and nothing else.
And
> the reason for that is that USPS is required to supply mail service to
> EVERYWHERE in the USA. That means there is mail delivery to the smallest
> Inuit village in the ice barrens outside of Barrow, AK.
>
> If they weren't awarded a monopoly on this service the other companies
would
> chose to deliver first class mail ONLY to the major cities which they
could
> do for about the same price as USPS charges for first class now. This
would
> steal the only profitable service away from USPS and the American public
> would end up having to pay much more for mail delivery to 80% of the USA.
>
> Now if you were ONLY smart enough to do a web search on first class mail
> you'd have already known this and wouldn't have to have looked like a
brain
> dead vermin.
>
>

Tom Paterson

>From: "Sam"

>And that relates to my post how? If UPS were sponsoring a team would you
>pay the higher price because of it.

If UPS dropped the Jarrett sponsorship and added a bike team, or otherwise
adjusted their ad budget, you would notice a difference how?

>Again, I am not increasing my use of
>USPS. When I have to ship something I look at a couple of items like cost
>and convenience and also any guarantee (USPS does not really guarantee
>overnight--read the fine print at the USPS >store sometime).

The employees have (IME) reliable info as to shipping times. I'm not a business
but for birthdays/Christmas and online buying/selling, they've been right many
times. If they guarantee overnight, it's because you're sending to a zone where
that will happen.

>All that said, I do find USPS to be a bargain. A person comes to my house
>(well the box in the cul de sac) and delivers it anywhere in the continental
>US for a small fee.

Letters? Yeah, that's the point. Have you ever mailed a letter that didn't
arrive, or know one was sent that didn't arrive, other than putting the wrong
address or forgetting a return address, etc.?

> However, people are using it less and less because
>other services are faster and cheaper (internet and or FedEx/UPS) and more
>reliable.

Citation on "less and less", please, also on faster/cheaper/more reliable.
Please.
--Tom Paterson

Richard Thompson

UPS a european team with no exposure in US ? Well Y`all did not see
any of the TOUR de GEORGIA last week. Lance and US POSTAL was written in
Chalk all over Georgia highways. As for Crowds ,, well standing room
only going up Brass Town Bald Mnt . And miles on road before turn up
Mnt. A ranger estimated over 10`000 on mnt watching , Many more before
mnt. I did not try to count USPS jersys on kids and adults.
Incidently Lance admitted Ga. has a few steep roads that were
underestimated. Many riders asked for a push.

@ @

~~~

smiles

I support USPS team, loved the TdG!! ... but I do all my shipping the
reliable way, UPS;-) Unfortunately their maketing did not work here.

s
http://boardnbike.com

"Richard Thompson" <Jollyrodgerjele@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:29027-408DC9B9-10@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net...
> UPS a european team with no exposure in US ? Well Y`all did not see
> any of the TOUR de GEORGIA last week. Lance and US POSTAL was written in
> Chalk all over Georgia highways. As for Crowds ,, well standing room
> only going up Brass Town Bald Mnt . And miles on road before turn up
> Mnt. A ranger estimated over 10`000 on mnt watching , Many more before
> mnt. I did not try to count USPS jersys on kids and adults.
> Incidently Lance admitted Ga. has a few steep roads that were
> underestimated. Many riders asked for a push.
>
> @ @
>
> ~~~
>

Richard Adams

I think the UPS people where I live are fine, it's just the one
location which has very limited hours and is nearly impossible for me
to get packages from that bugs me. I was picking up a couple bicycles
in December and had to skip out of work early to get them. Not the
best strategy when you just started a new job. Back in September they
left my new Colonago (in it's shipping box) sitting on my doorstep. I
was mortified.

"smiles" <bnb@boardnYOURPANTSbike.com> wrote in message news:<5Ksjc.43495$Uz1.9955@bignews3.bellsouth.net>...
> I support USPS team, loved the TdG!! ... but I do all my shipping the
> reliable way, UPS;-) Unfortunately their maketing did not work here.
>
> s
> http://boardnbike.com
>
> "Richard Thompson" <Jollyrodgerjele@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:29027-408DC9B9-10@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net...
> > UPS a european team with no exposure in US ? Well Y`all did not see
> > any of the TOUR de GEORGIA last week. Lance and US POSTAL was written in
> > Chalk all over Georgia highways. As for Crowds ,, well standing room
> > only going up Brass Town Bald Mnt . And miles on road before turn up
> > Mnt. A ranger estimated over 10`000 on mnt watching , Many more before
> > mnt. I did not try to count USPS jersys on kids and adults.
> > Incidently Lance admitted Ga. has a few steep roads that were
> > underestimated. Many riders asked for a push.
> >
> > @ @
> >
> > ~~~
> >

Baird Webel

On 4/26/04 9:28 PM, in article 3bGdnUm1zJLaNBDdRVn-vw@dejazzd.com, "hold my
beer and watch this..." <trdina@dejazzd.com> wrote:

>
> Tom,
>
> Please quote the federal statute(s) that defines 'first class mail' as well
> as the other types of delivery services for which USPS is or is not granted
> exclusivity.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Hold My
>
>
> BTW: I'm assuming this exercise will be similar to when you told us all
> about how to validate a biological test method (e.g., the EPO assay), then
> upon further examination, it became apparent that you didn't know what the
> fuck you were talking about.

I can't believe I'm involving myself in an argument between two of the
biggest idiots on this, or probably any other, newsgroup, but here's your
answer:

The code cites are: 18 U.S.C. 1693-1699, and 39 U.S.C. 601-606.

Most of the definitions are done by rule, not statute at: 39 CFR 310-320.

See http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/pubs/pub542.pdf if you want plain english
on the question.

Baird




> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:rQdjc.10399$eZ5.9940@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> "hold my beer and watch this..." <trdina@dejazzd.com> wrote in message
>> news:tNOdnTuqHtRFTBHdRVn-tA@dejazzd.com...
>>>
>>> If the USPS is so great, then why are you forbidden (by Federal Law, no
>>> less) from competing with them for non-parcel delivery?
>>
>> Firstly, USPS only has a monopoly on first class mail and nothing else.
> And
>> the reason for that is that USPS is required to supply mail service to
>> EVERYWHERE in the USA. That means there is mail delivery to the smallest
>> Inuit village in the ice barrens outside of Barrow, AK.
>>
>> If they weren't awarded a monopoly on this service the other companies
> would
>> chose to deliver first class mail ONLY to the major cities which they
> could
>> do for about the same price as USPS charges for first class now. This
> would
>> steal the only profitable service away from USPS and the American public
>> would end up having to pay much more for mail delivery to 80% of the USA.
>>
>> Now if you were ONLY smart enough to do a web search on first class mail
>> you'd have already known this and wouldn't have to have looked like a
> brain
>> dead vermin.
>>
>>
>
>

Michael

"Baird Webel" <bwebel@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:BCB45A72.3FC5A%bwebel@hotmail.com...

> I can't believe I'm involving myself in an argument between two of the
> biggest idiots on this, or probably any other, newsgroup, but here's your
> answer:

You probably don't want to contemplate this situation
overly much.

M.

otto

Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote in message news:<rcousine-our record.
>
> As for the rest of USPS/Berry Floor, they're still a monstrous team.
> Note that they leave their Texan at home for the Vuelta, but have still
> won it twice. If Bruyneel can keep the rest of the team together and
> sign the right rider or two, they could probably have a great year doing
> the Pro Tour.

For clarities sake, Postal have only won the Vuelta once, last year.

Ryan Cousineau

In article <c3559fe7.0404280117.2cf4adfb@posting.google.com>,
berchotto@yahoo.com (otto) wrote:

> Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote in message news:<rcousine-our record.
> >
> > As for the rest of USPS/Berry Floor, they're still a monstrous team.
> > Note that they leave their Texan at home for the Vuelta, but have still
> > won it twice. If Bruyneel can keep the rest of the team together and
> > sign the right rider or two, they could probably have a great year doing
> > the Pro Tour.
>
> For clarities sake, Postal have only won the Vuelta once, last year.

Whoops! You're right. I was thinking of Heras' two wins, but the first
was for Kelme.

--
Ryan Cousineau, rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine/wiredcola/
President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club