Lift Up The Rock....

Tom Kunich

"Nev Shea" <spamtrap@garbage.net> wrote in message
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> Now go take your meds and calm down.

It is my undrestanding that only those people who frequently use drugs, such
as antidepressants, would even think to say such a thing. Are you on drugs
all the time or only when you post here?

Richard Adams

Nev Shea <spamtrap@garbage.net> wrote in message news:<%hakc.17388$e4.12377@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> h squared <peckledoggyremovetoreply@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:40906A4E.30D18A36@hotmail.com:
>
> >
> > stf can write these things because he doesn't live in the land of the
> > free (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local..._prosser28.html)
>
> what is it about Seattle that creates all these non-patriots?
>
> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht..._coffin22m.html

Probably those disgruntled at not being on the Redmond Gravy Train.

Richard Adams

h squared <peckledoggyremovetoreply@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<40914900.8901091F@hotmail.com>...
> TritonRider wrote:
> >
> > (stuff about censorship coming from all directions)
>
> all this aside, personally i will be more careful what i put into
> writing, even on rbr (because i am a paranoid freak). i doubt that
> student expected to be questioned by the secret service over the stuff
> he wrote. would hate to wake up to the same thing someday & don't want
> it to happen to anyone else who posts here either.
> hh

Alas. Are there no more patriots? None who would question the
motives and methods of the scoundrels in the present administration?

From where I live I see and hear no shortage of those who question Mr.
"I'm a uniter, not a divider" and Mr. "I'll be back at Halliburton
when this is over." I consider it a good thing when considering the
alternative.

It's good, too, that some states and cities have the gumption to
proclaim they will not enforce provisions of the Patriot Act. The
true test of a vibrant and free society is whether the people become
sheep under times of duress. It's not the first time this sort of
thing has been tried, and it probably won't be the last.

The real scandal is large media companies which won't (*cough* FOX
*cough*) call a spade a spade and thus have throttled many a voice in
radio or TV who should publicly question dubious decisions and
actions. i.e. If we call the President a booger-brain, we won't be
invited to anymore press conferences and our revenues will suffer.

Poo.

Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS

Richard Adams wrote:

> Nev Shea <spamtrap@garbage.net> wrote in message news:<%hakc.17388$e4.12377@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> > h squared <peckledoggyremovetoreply@hotmail.com> wrote in
> > news:40906A4E.30D18A36@hotmail.com:
> >
> > >
> > > stf can write these things because he doesn't live in the land of the
> > > free (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local..._prosser28.html)
> >
> > what is it about Seattle that creates all these non-patriots?
> >
> > http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht..._coffin22m.html
>
> Probably those disgruntled at not being on the Redmond Gravy Train.

Maybe they just hate all those structures Paul Allen is building.

Steve


--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
http://www.dentaltwins.com

TritonRider

>From: "B. Lafferty" Magni@Italia.com

>You've both been declared enemy combatants by the President and will be held
>indefinitely, in a secure location without the right to consult an attorney;
>without the right to know the charges leveled against you; without the right
>to know the facts alleged against you; without the right to have a court
>review your detention. The Attorney General says, "Fuck you. Have a nice
>stay."

I'm still waiting for the single example of this of a US citizen, captured in
the US.
I am amazed at the outright level of panic and fear coming from the left in
the almost total absence of incidents such as the one Brian and his friends
keep claiming are happening here every day, in every state.
Bill C

TritonRider

>From: "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo.com

>Precisely, OJ walked but somehow it is outrageous if some Enron official
>gets the same treatment. Goose, gander and all that.
>
>

Tom, I would've voted to acquit OJ if I had been on the jury even though I am
completely convinced he did it. The conduct of the LAPD in this case and maybe
tens of thousands of others was in the gray area at best, and downright
criminal in a whole lot. Letting one high profile murderer who is a minor risk
to reoffend and is being watched by every media outlet on the planet pretty
much 24/7 doesn't seem to be a bad tradeoff for cleaning out the Gates/LAPD
mess.
Bill C

B. Lafferty

"TritonRider" <tritonrider@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040429183110.04016.00000349@mb-m17.aol.com...
> >From: "B. Lafferty" Magni@Italia.com
>
> >You've both been declared enemy combatants by the President and will be
held
> >indefinitely, in a secure location without the right to consult an
attorney;
> >without the right to know the charges leveled against you; without the
right
> >to know the facts alleged against you; without the right to have a court
> >review your detention. The Attorney General says, "Fuck you. Have a nice
> >stay."
>
> I'm still waiting for the single example of this of a US citizen,
captured in
> the US.

Jose Padilla. US citizen arresed on US soil. Held for two years in a Navy
bring in the Carolinas as an enemy combatant. Denied counsel. Not formally
charged. His case was heard this week by the US Supreme Court.

> I am amazed at the outright level of panic and fear coming from the left
in
> the almost total absence of incidents such as the one Brian and his
friends
> keep claiming are happening here every day, in every state.

The history that gave rise to the Writ of Habeas Corpus (also know as the
Writ of Freedom) is repleat with examples of people held for years by
executive power with no recourse to the courts. The Writ ofHabeas Corpus is
something the Founders of this country viewed as being essential to
preventing the rise of tyranny on these shores.

But then, Ashcroft could juast as easily say what the Soviets said of
prisoners in the Gulag as reported by Alexander Solsnytesin(sp?), "We don't
make mistakes."

B. Lafferty

"B. Lafferty" <Magni@Italia.com> wrote in message
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>
> "TritonRider" <tritonrider@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040429183110.04016.00000349@mb-m17.aol.com...
> > >From: "B. Lafferty" Magni@Italia.com
> >
> > >You've both been declared enemy combatants by the President and will be
> held
> > >indefinitely, in a secure location without the right to consult an
> attorney;
> > >without the right to know the charges leveled against you; without the
> right
> > >to know the facts alleged against you; without the right to have a
court
> > >review your detention. The Attorney General says, "Fuck you. Have a
nice
> > >stay."
> >
> > I'm still waiting for the single example of this of a US citizen,
> captured in
> > the US.
>
> Jose Padilla. US citizen arresed on US soil. Held for two years in a
Navy
> bring in the Carolinas as an enemy combatant. Denied counsel. Not
formally
> charged. His case was heard this week by the US Supreme Court.
>
> > I am amazed at the outright level of panic and fear coming from the
left
> in
> > the almost total absence of incidents such as the one Brian and his
> friends
> > keep claiming are happening here every day, in every state.
>
> The history that gave rise to the Writ of Habeas Corpus (also know as the
> Writ of Freedom) is repleat with examples of people held for years by
> executive power with no recourse to the courts. The Writ ofHabeas Corpus
is
> something the Founders of this country viewed as being essential to
> preventing the rise of tyranny on these shores.
>
> But then, Ashcroft could juast as easily say what the Soviets said of
> prisoners in the Gulag as reported by Alexander Solsnytesin(sp?), "We
don't
> make mistakes."

One more thing. Let's assume that Padilla is a terrorist. Should he be
given the benifit of law; due process in a court of law? Consider the
following dialogue from "A Man For All Seasons."

Roper So now you'd give the Devil benefit of law!

More Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get
after the Devil?

Roper I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

More Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on
you - where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country's
planted thick with laws from coast to coast - man's laws, not God's - and if
you cut them down - and you're just the man to do it - d'you really think
you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give
the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake.

TritonRider

>From: "B. Lafferty" Magni@Italia.com

>One more thing. Let's assume that Padilla is a terrorist. Should he be
>given the benifit of law; due process in a court of law?

He should be given every right guaranteed to a US citizen, and if not, and we
allow it, it's our fault.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790), Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
Bill C

TritonRider

Here's a report on what Brian is talking about:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/art...,262917,00.html
Bill C

B. Lafferty

"TritonRider" <tritonrider@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040429195735.00117.00000484@mb-m12.aol.com...
> >From: "B. Lafferty" Magni@Italia.com
>
> >One more thing. Let's assume that Padilla is a terrorist. Should he be
> >given the benifit of law; due process in a court of law?
>
> He should be given every right guaranteed to a US citizen, and if not,
and we
> allow it, it's our fault.
>
> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety
> deserve neither liberty nor safety.
> Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790), Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
> Bill C

Ah, yes. I'd forgotten about that quote. Good stuff. I suspect the Founders
are getting pissed. It would be nice if they could come back and shake the
Republic up a wee bit.

Tim Lines

TritonRider wrote:

> I'm still waiting for the single example of this of a US citizen, captured in
> the US.

If you read the news you wouldn't be waiting. This Supreme Court appeal
was pretty big news within the last couple days. Don't know how you
missed it.

Stewart Fleming

TritonRider wrote:
>>From: "B. Lafferty" Magni@Italia.com
>
>
>>You've both been declared enemy combatants by the President and will be held
>>indefinitely, in a secure location without the right to consult an attorney;
>>without the right to know the charges leveled against you; without the right
>>to know the facts alleged against you; without the right to have a court
>>review your detention. The Attorney General says, "Fuck you. Have a nice
>>stay."
>
>
> I'm still waiting for the single example of this of a US citizen, captured in
> the US.

Jose Padilla ?

Howard Kveck

In article <M2ekc.14446$eZ5.6724@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "TritonRider" <tritonrider@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040429110926.13568.00000514@mb-m26.aol.com...
> >
> > Money talks and OJ walks.
>
> Precisely, OJ walked but somehow it is outrageous if some Enron official
> gets the same treatment. Goose, gander and all that.

It was outrageous that OJ walked, so that analogy doesn't really apply,
does it?

--
tanx,
Howard

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