Lift Up The Rock....

Robert Chung

Howard Kveck wrote:
> "Robert Chung" <me2@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>> http://www.sen.ca.gov/sor/policy/energy/History.htm
>> http://info.sen.ca.gov/cgi-bin/post..._1890&sess=9596
>
> Noted that Jim Brulte is, in fact, the one who's name is actually on
> the bill, and that Peace was the one who guided it through conference.

I can't find any mention of AB 1890 in the "Legislative accomplishments"
section of Brulte's website. How strange.

Here are a couple of capsule summaries from 2001 on Brulte and Peace from
the Sacramento News & Review:

http://www.newsreview.com/issues/sa...3-22/cover2.asp

Tom Kunich

Please note that state regulations FORBADE PG & E from signing any long term
contracts from power providers. That meant that they had to pay spot prices
which had been traditionally slightly lower costing than contract pricing.
However, a blind man could have seen with his cane that the growth in
California's population was outpacing the power generating capacity of local
providers and that California EPA regulations had essentially stopped
construction of ALL new generation facilities.

The California power shortage was caused NOT by power provider collusion but
because the state demanded that power providers SHUT DOWN their facilities
for preventive maintenance despite the fact that the generating companies
wanted to keep the facilities in operation during the hottest (and most
profitable) time of the year and then do the delayed PM after the summer
heat peak. This was absolutely denied by California officials and the
generation plants had it in writing.

I understand that generating facilities outside of California took advantage
of the situation and overcharged California customers but the real villain
here remains the ultra-Liberal California legislature, Governor Davis and
the entire staff of California Public Utilities Commissions and the
California EPA all of whom conspired to make the most desireable state in
the USA into a third world country-like dictatorship.


"TritonRider" <tritonrider@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Damn let me try that again.
> CA Governor Davis calls PG&E "selfish" for bankruptcy filing
>
> News/Current Events News
> Source: San Jose Mercury News
> Published: 7 April 2001
> Posted on 04/07/2001 14:13:43 PDT by John Jorsett
> SACRAMENTO -- A shocked Gov. Gray Davis and state lawmakers lashed out at
PG&E
> on Friday, saying they had been working on a fair plan to help the utility
out
> of its financial woes only to be rebuffed by the ungrateful company.
>
> ``They've acted in a selfish manner and from a very narrow perspective and
do
> not have the interest of the people of this state at heart,'' said Davis,
> speaking to reporters in San Diego, where he signed a bill providing rate
> relief to big businesses there. ``They've dishonored themselves by their
> actions today.''
>
> In a statement on the company's decision to file for bankruptcy Friday,
Robert
> D. Glynn Jr., Pacific Gas & Electric Co. chairman, blamed the governor,
> lawmakers and the Public Utilities Commission for having ``failed us.''
>
> The utility said it was forced into bankruptcy in part because its
negotiations
> with Davis and his representatives were ``going nowhere.''
>
> But Assembly Democratic Leader Kevin Shelley of San Francisco pointed his
> finger right back at PG&E. ``The utilities came to us four years ago and
begged
> for deregulation and told us they would live with the consequences,'' he
said.
> ``Now we've spent $5 billion in state money to bail them out, and they
haven't
> even been interested in cooperating with us.''
>
> Shelley said he believed that PG&E was never interested in working out an
> agreement with the state. ``They came to us with hat in hand saying please
give
> us some more, but instead of just a morsel of food, they wanted filet
mignon.
> It was just one demand after another.''
>
> Angry as they were at PG&E, lawmakers said they will now be able to better
> concentrate on their primary tasks: finding more energy, cutting prices
and
> keeping California's lights on.
>
> PG&E says it has incurred $9 billion in debts because the state's
deregulation
> law prevents the company from passing the skyrocketing wholesale costs of
> electricity to its customers.
>
> To help the company out from beneath its debts, Davis and his
representatives
> have been negotiating to buy the transmission lines of PG&E and Southern
> California Edison, which has also been struggling with huge debts.
>
> On Friday, Davis and lawmakers accused PG&E of failing to negotiate in
good
> faith.
>
> That PG&E filed for bankruptcy protection on the morning after Davis
outlined
> his plan to deal with the energy crisis during a 5-minute statewide
television
> speech was not lost on anyone.
>
> In his speech Thursday, Davis reversed his previous position and called
for a
> rate increase of about 26.5 percent for most California residents.
>
> The governor's supporters said they suspect PG&E was simply unhappy with
the
> size of the rate increase proposed by Davis -- and the increase approved
by the
> Public Utilities Commission last week that would raise residential rates
by as
> much as 36 percent. The company, they said, probably figures it will do
better
> in bankruptcy court.
>
> Garry South, Davis' political adviser, said PG&E is taking a gamble and is
sure
> to lose. People won't conclude that the state forced PG&E into bankruptcy,
he
> said.
>
> ``I've seen the polls,'' he said. ``People are going to be saying they got
what
> they deserved.''
>
> But Sen. Debra Bowen, D-Redondo Beach, said the financial stability of
PG&E may
> be more appropriately handled by the courts than lawmakers and the
governor.
>
> In fact, it may lead to fewer blackouts during the hot summer months, she
said.
>
> Bowen noted that many small generators have been forced to shut down
because
> PG&E hasn't been able to pay them for months. But under bankruptcy law,
they
> likely will be among the first of PG&E's creditors to get paid. That would
> encourage them to start selling power again and help ease the electricity
> shortage.
>
> State Treasurer Phil Angelides said the situation should help
policy-makers in
> Sacramento set priorities.
>
> ``Our focus ought to be on how to create conservation, power and get the
> generators off our throats,'' Angelides said. ``We need to spend less time
on
> reorganizing companies. That's what Chapter 11 is for.''
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> If I wasn't stuck in the middle of this mess, I'd be laughing myself sick
about
> now.
> Bill c

Tom Kunich

"Robert Chung" <me2@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> TritonRider wrote:
> > Look at 1999 and 2000 here. those are under Davis
> > http://www.bakersfield.com/state_wi...p-4683560c.html
> >
> > 1999: San Diego Gas & Electric becomes first California utility to
> > deregulate, allowing it to lift the price cap. Within a year,
> > customers' bills triple as the utility passes on high wholesale power
> > costs.
>
> The electric utility deregulation bill was passed and signed by Pete
> Wilson in 1996.

Pete Wilson was and is a RINO. There can be no defending an idea that says
that companies who cannot control their costs from producers cannot pass
those costs on to their customers. And NO company lobbied to have their
billing controlled but not their costs.

Let's also remember that it was the California EPA who got "advice" from
Atlantic-Richfield to add MTBE to gasoline. They did that and then sent a
letter to the Federal EPA asking them to demand that California use ONLY
that formulation. All companies then had to formulate their gasoline using
MTBE, a dangerous waste product from Atlantic-Richfield's cracking process.
It is now known to be in the ground water all over California and present in
measureable qualtities in 40% of California's drinking water.

Left wingers don't really give a damn about who suffers for their ideals.

Tom Kunich

"Justice Douglas" <Supremes@Heaven.org> wrote in message
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It's all in the drugs Lafferty, all in the drugs. And after all, everyone
that rides a bike professionally uses them don't they?

Burt

"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Justice Douglas" <Supremes@Heaven.org> wrote in message
> news:7gAkc.758$8S1.68@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> It's all in the drugs Lafferty, all in the drugs. And after all, everyone
> that rides a bike professionally uses them don't they?

And all those doped up lawyers running around with Writs of Habeas Corpus
laughing about Johnny getting OJ off on the criminal charge that the Santa
Monica police had investigation troubles with. And then there's the doped
up California EPA and those drugged former governors Wilson and Davis. Man,
you live in an amazing world. Which drugs are you on, dude.

Beer, Piss, Water & Shit

"Burt" <Burt47@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Justice Douglas" <Supremes@Heaven.org> wrote in message
> > news:7gAkc.758$8S1.68@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >
> > It's all in the drugs Lafferty, all in the drugs. And after all,
everyone
> > that rides a bike professionally uses them don't they?
>
> And all those doped up lawyers running around with Writs of Habeas Corpus
> laughing about Johnny getting OJ off on the criminal charge that the Santa
> Monica police had investigation troubles with. And then there's the doped
> up California EPA and those drugged former governors Wilson and Davis.
Man,
> you live in an amazing world. Which drugs are you on, dude.

Tom's just high on life.

Howard Kveck

In article <vkUkc.1946$V97.334@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Let's also remember that it was the California EPA who got "advice" from
> Atlantic-Richfield to add MTBE to gasoline. They did that and then sent a
> letter to the Federal EPA asking them to demand that California use ONLY
> that formulation. All companies then had to formulate their gasoline using
> MTBE, a dangerous waste product from Atlantic-Richfield's cracking process.
> It is now known to be in the ground water all over California and present in
> measureable qualtities in 40% of California's drinking water.
>
> Left wingers don't really give a damn about who suffers for their ideals.


You're assuming that the CalEPA board (and staff) is made up of liberals.

--
tanx,
Howard

"Moby Dick was a work of art, What the hell happened?"


remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Howard Kveck

In article <5fUkc.1938$V97.332@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

> The California power shortage was caused NOT by power provider collusion but
> because the state demanded that power providers SHUT DOWN their facilities
> for preventive maintenance despite the fact that the generating companies
> wanted to keep the facilities in operation during the hottest (and most
> profitable) time of the year and then do the delayed PM after the summer
> heat peak. This was absolutely denied by California officials and the
> generation plants had it in writing.

I've looked high and low for anything that would indicate this was the
sequence, but everything I saw seems to show that California officials kept
getting surprised by the energy generators saying they needed to shut
plants down for pm. That's what I remember, too. Do you have any links you
could provide, Tom?

In related news, there was this from the site for employees of Duke
Energy:

----------------
"Though routinely listed by Fortune magazine as one of the most admired
utility companies in the country, Duke Energy has not been immune from the
kind of problems that brought down its competitor, Enron.

"In July, Duke was forced to admit to government investigators that some
of its commodities brokers engaged in illegal round-trip trades - buying
and selling gas to itself to inflate prices.

"Such illegal trades were in part responsible for California's energy
crisis of 2000. Duke's stock price fell 20 percent after the news broke,
and the company fired the traders involved."

----------------

At the height of the 'crisis', there was plenty of gas at the Henry Hub,
a gas distribution terminal just across the California border. Gas was
being sold to Nevada at about $1 a therm, while the gas going into
California was going for more than $10 a therm.

FERC -should- have been on that immediately, but sat on the sidelines.
FERC, of course, was headed by a guy that was suggested to the Bush admin.
by none other than Ken Lay.

Enron was knee deep in the whole scandal, too. There were a bunch of
schemes that Ken Lay had with Star Wars-themed names.

--
tanx,
Howard

"Moby Dick was a work of art, What the hell happened?"


remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

TritonRider

>From: Howard Kveck YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com

> You're assuming that the CalEPA board (and staff) is made up of liberals.
>
>

So Howard you're saying that the Green party types aren't left wing, especially
in Kalifornia?
Bill C

Tom Kunich

I wonder how long it's going to be before you stop presenting opinions and
"charges" as facts.

"Howard Kveck" <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote in message
news:YOURhoward-ABF022.18501001052004@netnews.comcast.net...
> In article <5fUkc.1938$V97.332@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > The California power shortage was caused NOT by power provider collusion
but
> > because the state demanded that power providers SHUT DOWN their
facilities
> > for preventive maintenance despite the fact that the generating
companies
> > wanted to keep the facilities in operation during the hottest (and most
> > profitable) time of the year and then do the delayed PM after the summer
> > heat peak. This was absolutely denied by California officials and the
> > generation plants had it in writing.
>
> I've looked high and low for anything that would indicate this was the
> sequence, but everything I saw seems to show that California officials
kept
> getting surprised by the energy generators saying they needed to shut
> plants down for pm. That's what I remember, too. Do you have any links you
> could provide, Tom?
>
> In related news, there was this from the site for employees of Duke
> Energy:
>
> ----------------
> "Though routinely listed by Fortune magazine as one of the most admired
> utility companies in the country, Duke Energy has not been immune from the
> kind of problems that brought down its competitor, Enron.
>
> "In July, Duke was forced to admit to government investigators that
some
> of its commodities brokers engaged in illegal round-trip trades - buying
> and selling gas to itself to inflate prices.
>
> "Such illegal trades were in part responsible for California's energy
> crisis of 2000. Duke's stock price fell 20 percent after the news broke,
> and the company fired the traders involved."
>
> ----------------
>
> At the height of the 'crisis', there was plenty of gas at the Henry
Hub,
> a gas distribution terminal just across the California border. Gas was
> being sold to Nevada at about $1 a therm, while the gas going into
> California was going for more than $10 a therm.
>
> FERC -should- have been on that immediately, but sat on the sidelines.
> FERC, of course, was headed by a guy that was suggested to the Bush admin.
> by none other than Ken Lay.
>
> Enron was knee deep in the whole scandal, too. There were a bunch of
> schemes that Ken Lay had with Star Wars-themed names.
>
> --
> tanx,
> Howard
>
> "Moby Dick was a work of art, What the hell happened?"
>
>
> remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Tom Kunich

"Howard Kveck" <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote in message
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>
> You're assuming that the CalEPA board (and staff) is made up of
liberals.

No, I'm assuming that those whose "idea" it was retired from government
service and somehow found jobs at Atlantic-Richfield.

Henry Etta

If Saddam is suspected of war crimes because of abuse of prisoner's, should
Bush also be suspected of war crimes because of Iraqi's prisoner abuse?

Henry Etta

> So Howard you're saying that the Green party types aren't left wing,
> especially
> in Kalifornia?
> Bill C
>

TritonRider

>From: "Henry Etta" Etta@etta.com
>Date: 5/1/2004 11:46 PM Eastern

>If Saddam is suspected of war crimes because of abuse of prisoner's, should
>Bush also be suspected of war crimes because of Iraqi's prisoner abuse?

Show me the confirmed mass graves conataining thousands of bodies. Show me
documentation of Bush participating directly in acts of torture and murder. I
can get you these for Hussein.
You people need to stop equating assault with genocide.
Bill C

Nev Shea

Ewoud Dronkert <me@privacy.net> wrote in
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> On Sat, 1 May 2004 05:31:44 +0200, Robert Chung wrote:
>>By mid-2000, Henry saw his electricity rates triple.
>
> And now he has burned up his reserves and that is why he isn't posting
> anymore?


yup. he should get rid of the damned parrot and get a squirrel or hamster
that can run in a wheel and power a generator.

NS