Eurosport: England not on an Island

TritonRider

>From: berchotto@yahoo.com (otto)
>Date: 5/4/2004 5:00 AM Eastern

>That's not going to happen any time soon. And what's with "peacefull
>political process", to my limited knowledge, the last time there was
>any violence used in Scotia to attempt to gain independence was circa
>the battle of culloden.

I'd have to go back and dig them up, but I remember seeing a bunch of stuff
about Scotland being granted much more autonomy over the last few years with
more to come. The violence was in contrast to N. Ireland.
Bill C

Steve McGinty

On 04 May 2004 12:30:09 GMT, tritonrider@aol.com (TritonRider) wrote:

>>From: berchotto@yahoo.com (otto)
>>Date: 5/4/2004 5:00 AM Eastern
>
>>That's not going to happen any time soon. And what's with "peacefull
>>political process", to my limited knowledge, the last time there was
>>any violence used in Scotia to attempt to gain independence was circa
>>the battle of culloden.
>
> I'd have to go back and dig them up, but I remember seeing a bunch of stuff
>about Scotland being granted much more autonomy over the last few years

We've had devolution since 1999

http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/

Billy Connolly calls it the "pretendy parliament" - ("Aye jist whit we
need - mair politicians!")

>with more to come.

- it's unlikely to go any further unless the Scottish National Party
gains a majority.



Regards!
Stephen

otto

tritonrider@aol.com (TritonRider) wrote in message news:<20040504083009.28807.00000854@mb-m28.aol.com>...

> I'd have to go back and dig them up, but I remember seeing a bunch of stuff
> about Scotland being granted much more autonomy over the last few years with
> more to come. The violence was in contrast to N. Ireland.
> Bill C

If you mean the fact that Scotland now has a Parliament then yes,
they do have certain autonomy. I lived (and raced) there in the early
90s. back then it was a dream for a lot of friends that they'd have
their own Parliament . It was a pleasant surprise that it actually
came to pass under Blair's devolution program.

That said, it seems to me (and once again, i'm not really an expert)
that their autonomy is something similar to what a state has in the
US: their own legal system, educational system, health care system,
etc. All good things, but they're not independent from London, which
many friends back there wish was the case, but will most likely never
happen.

TritonRider

>From: Steve McGinty steve_DOT_mcginty@ntlworld.com

>We've had devolution since 1999
>
>http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/
>
>Billy Connolly calls it the "pretendy parliament" - ("Aye jist whit we
>need - mair politicians!")
>
>>with more to come.
>
> - it's unlikely to go any further unless the Scottish National Party
>gains a majority.
>

Thanks for the link and the info I apreciate it.
Bill C

Stewart Fleming

TritonRider wrote:

>>From: berchotto@yahoo.com (otto)
>>Date: 5/4/2004 5:00 AM Eastern
>
>
>>That's not going to happen any time soon. And what's with "peacefull
>>political process", to my limited knowledge, the last time there was
>>any violence used in Scotia to attempt to gain independence was circa
>>the battle of culloden.
>
>
> I'd have to go back and dig them up, but I remember seeing a bunch of stuff
> about Scotland being granted much more autonomy over the last few years with
> more to come. The violence was in contrast to N. Ireland.
> Bill C

Scotland has its own parliament and limited decision-making powers, but
not tax raising powers as yet. Limited autonomy is the best way of
describing it. There is no comparison with N. Ireland in terms of
religious-inspired violence.

Richard Adams

"SMMB" <leurre@free.fr> wrote in message news:<c76bgj$c42$1@news.tiscali.fr>...
> "Tom Schulenburg" <tschulenYOUR@HATpacbell.net> a écrit dans le message de :
> newsaxlc.4972$1e4.4646@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
> >
> > "Richard Adams" <ackthpt@concentric.net> wrote in message
> > news:c6vc47$qds@dispatch.concentric.net...
> > ><SNIP>
> > > I have to admit I've always been a bit puzzled by the interchangability
> > > of England/Britain/UK, and so on. Probably a good idea to have it right
> > > if visiting Scotland or Wales.
> > >
> > > "Scotland, England it's all the same, right buddy?"
> > >
> > > Bonk!
> > >
> >
> >
> > England, Scotland and Wales make up Great Britain. Great Britain and
> > Northern Ireland make up the United Kingdom.
> >
> Looking back on the entire day, perhaps week, this was the key bit of
> information I simply did not have, and now I am richer for it. Thanks.
> Absolutely no irony intended - I am just not familiar with the UK, et c.,
> although the Scots I know keep reminding me that their legal system is
> closer to mine than to England's, as it is based also on Justinian.
>
> Sliante ! Bonne route,
>
> Sandy
> Paris FR


The UK is more than just the Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and
England, it also includes anything left from colonial days, including
island posessions like the Falklands. Most former colonies, along
with the UK consist the Commonwealth. Pretty amazing to see the size
of the empire 100 years ago and what it is now.

Steve McGinty

On Wed, 05 May 2004 07:29:28 +1200, Stewart Fleming
<stewart.fleming@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

>
>
>TritonRider wrote:
>
>>>From: berchotto@yahoo.com (otto)
>>>Date: 5/4/2004 5:00 AM Eastern
>>
>>
>>>That's not going to happen any time soon. And what's with "peacefull
>>>political process", to my limited knowledge, the last time there was
>>>any violence used in Scotia to attempt to gain independence was circa
>>>the battle of culloden.
>>
>>
>> I'd have to go back and dig them up, but I remember seeing a bunch of stuff
>> about Scotland being granted much more autonomy over the last few years with
>> more to come. The violence was in contrast to N. Ireland.
>> Bill C
>
>Scotland has its own parliament and limited decision-making powers, but
>not tax raising powers as yet. Limited autonomy is the best way of
>describing it. There is no comparison with N. Ireland in terms of
>religious-inspired violence.

You've not been in Glasgow after a Celtic-Rangers game then, Stewart
;-)


Regards!
Stephen

Stewart Fleming

Steve McGinty wrote:


> You've not been in Glasgow after a Celtic-Rangers game then, Stewart
> ;-)

Actually, I have...and been inside Ibrox for one :-) Remmeber the
Celtic fan who got put away for throwing CS gas about 10 years ago?

The odd thing is that, even given the huge volume of weapons that were
stashed in various places, that sort of widespread conflict with serious
civil effect never eventuated. Maybe the football acted as a safety
valve. But then my Granny would always tell me which "bad man" owned
which taxi company so there was probably a different sort of control
mechanism behind the scenes. Noted recentlt that there has been an
upsurge in gang-related violence.
STF