Roberto Gaggioli is a piece of crap

Adam Hodges Myerson

in article 109f9v3553uc228@corp.supernews.com, Bob Schwartz at
cvcc@shell.core.com wrote on 5/4/04 10:25 AM:

> Carl Sundquist <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote:
>> What role did the police play when Mercer hit Myerson and broke his skull?
>
> Statements were taken and charges were filed. At one point a warrant
> was issued for Mercer's arrest. This was about the time that Adam
> stopped posting and he wasn't public about the resolution.
>
> Bob Schwartz
> cvcc@execpc.com

I was told you kids were talking about this.

I saw Jonny's bike after the race, it was ugly. It would have really been
bad if that was his head. I did not see either incident, however.

Mercer got suspended for 13 months from USAC, a 2nd degree felony charge, 3
years probation, and had to pay any uncovered medical bills I had, about
$600 of $25,000.

Jonny asked me what he should do, I told Jonny he should press charges just
to make sure he had things documented in case he wanted to take recourse
later. Supposedly Monex is going to replace his bike and other damaged
equipment, and Jonny was happy with that.

Adam

Tom Kunich

"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:c78n1a$70q$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
> In article <J_Nlc.6549$Hs1.5339@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> cyclintom@yahoo.com says...
> >"Bob Schwartz" <cvcc@shell.core.com> wrote in message
> >news:109f9v3553uc228@corp.supernews.com...
> >> Carl Sundquist <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote:
> >> > What role did the police play when Mercer hit Myerson and broke his
> >skull?
> >> Statements were taken and charges were filed. At one point a warrant
> >> was issued for Mercer's arrest. This was about the time that Adam
> >> stopped posting and he wasn't public about the resolution.
> >He may not even know.
>
> If he does not know, then probably nothing happened. In order to convict
> they probably needed him to testify.

They don't need him to hang around and find out the verdict. Adam seemed to
me to be pretty unhappy that the fight occurred at all. He was also a great
deal more forgiving than I would have been.

Tom Kunich

"Rik Van Diesel" <metalkprettyoneday@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:83021f87.0405041315.5df55072@posting.google.com...
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<7Dglc.3264$Hs1.169@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> > Roberto is a lot of things but he doesn't get violent for no reason. I
think
> > it likely that Sundt did more than "some ~ meaningless crap" to upset
> > Gaggioli.
>
> Gag is a piece of crap. To say anything else to speak is to speak out
> of your ass. Unless you don't want to offend you connections.

Yeah, it's always good to get the opinion of a person posting under an
assumed handle. That gives your opinion so much more weight.

Chris

"TritonRider" <tritonrider@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040503194938.01198.00000660@mb-m14.aol.com...
> >From: "Carl Sundquist" carlsun@cox-internet.com
>
> >What role did the police play when Mercer hit Myerson and broke his
skull?

> It really depends on whether the cops want to help too. I had a car pass
me on
> the right in the breakdown lane, cut left in front of me across the back
of the
> field, go across a double yellow then cut back into the lane just barely
> missing the front of the field. This was near the start finish and I got
the
> cars Plate, make, model and color. I had gave it to one of the cops within
2
> minutes of the incident, and the car had just passed him, his comment was
> "Yeah, what do you want me to do about it?" I told him that I thought the
> driver had endagered everyone, and he said "Thats, your opinion." Seeing
where
> this was going I went and found one of the State Police and they at least
took
> a report along with making some really nasty comments about local yokel
> imitation cops, but in the end nothing ever happened that I heard of.
> Sometimes, even if they see it, they don't do shit.
> Bill C

You can still contact them and file a complaint (whatever the appropriate
chrge would be) regardless of "what the cops want". The work for the public,
not the other way around. It sure helps if you know how the court systems
work so you may have to hire an attorney to assist you even when the burden
should be on the public prosecutor.

Chris

"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Chris" <chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4096ad1d$0$35101$812600b3@news.nntpaccess.com...
> >
> > "Bob Schwartz" <cvcc@shell.core.com> wrote in message
> > news:109armt5cip7c6a@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Rondechampion <rondechampion@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > USAC----please don't puss out and not suspend this a-hole.
> > >
> > > Were there no cops at the race?
> >
> > It does not sound like there were any law enforcement witnesses, but how
> > often is that the case?
> >
> > > I don't see where USAC has a role if the cops don't.
> >
> > Clearly the "cops" would have a role it it was reported. Also, note that
> > Americans under their constitution can seek relief in civil actions if
> they
> > wish without the obligation to have law inforcement involved. It is
> > certainly a good idea in most cases to have them do most of the
> > investigation, but it is not a requirment.
> >
> > >
>
> What role did the police play when Mercer hit Myerson and broke his skull?

I do not know what role they played. If you do, maybe you can finish making
your point.

Chris

"Adam Hodges Myerson" <adam@cycle-smart.com> wrote in message
news:BCBD91F9.195DB%adam@cycle-smart.com...
> in article 109f9v3553uc228@corp.supernews.com, Bob Schwartz at
> cvcc@shell.core.com wrote on 5/4/04 10:25 AM:
>
> > Carl Sundquist <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote:
> >> What role did the police play when Mercer hit Myerson and broke his
skull?
> >
> > Statements were taken and charges were filed. At one point a warrant
> > was issued for Mercer's arrest. This was about the time that Adam
> > stopped posting and he wasn't public about the resolution.
> >
> > Bob Schwartz
> > cvcc@execpc.com
>
> I was told you kids were talking about this.
>
> I saw Jonny's bike after the race, it was ugly. It would have really been
> bad if that was his head. I did not see either incident, however.
>
> Mercer got suspended for 13 months from USAC, a 2nd degree felony charge,
3
> years probation, and had to pay any uncovered medical bills I had, about
> $600 of $25,000.
>
> Jonny asked me what he should do, I told Jonny he should press charges
just
> to make sure he had things documented in case he wanted to take recourse
> later. Supposedly Monex is going to replace his bike and other damaged
> equipment, and Jonny was happy with that.
>
> Adam

Sounds good but in addition he needs to make sure assault charges are filed
against this maniac. Why would anyone think it is ok to leave an act like
this unpunished?

Andrew Martin

andrew_f_martin@hotmail.com (Andrew Martin) wrote in message news:<867aa7dd.0405021634.1adc41fb@posting.google.com>...
> rondechampion@aol.com (Rondechampion) wrote in message news:<20040502125419.15149.00000592@mb-m17.aol.com>...
> > Last night at the crit in Anniston, Al he attacked Johnny Sundt with a 2x4. He
> > was upset about some of the meaningless crap that happens during bike races and
> > he tried to assult Johnny.
> >
> > He caved in the down tube on Johnny's bike when Johnny used to bike to protect
> > himself.
> >
> > This guy is a piece of crap and deserves to be suspended for a long time.
> >
> > He pulled a similar stunt a few years when he threw his bike at another riders
> > head and cut his head with the chainring.
> >
> > I wish this guy would just go away.
> >
> > USAC----please don't puss out and not suspend this a-hole.
> >
> > the real rondechampion
>
> There is no excuse for any sort of action like that, but Johnny does
> have a bit of a rep for pulling some dangerous stunts. Sundt is such
> a superior bike handler, that he can do stuff that you are certain
> will take you down, only to dash out of it at the last second. He's
> chopped wheels a couple times, with his excuse being that he's a pro
> and his job is to make money any way possible in bike races. Some
> people don't like that.
>
> I've rarely heard a good word spoken about Gag - this confirms it.
> Good to hear nobody was seriously hurt.
>
> -a

www.eriksaunders.com has a note on his site:

i got the story of the kung-fu fight in china from trent klasna's own
mouth specifically so that i could post it... so i think i will get
that written up here soon...

Is that the same incident we were talking about here?

-a

chris

I'll assume that is in addition to dumping Gag. I mean that sounds
laim, "Uh, sorry Jonny for Roberto going ape shit on you, but here's a
new bike, OK?" They should issue an apology as well.

CH

> Jonny asked me what he should do, I told Jonny he should press charges just
> to make sure he had things documented in case he wanted to take recourse
> later. Supposedly Monex is going to replace his bike and other damaged
> equipment, and Jonny was happy with that.
>
> Adam

Carl Sundquist

"Chris" <chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
> news:109dkv4fcl9ceb8@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > >
> > > "Bob Schwartz" <cvcc@shell.core.com> wrote in message
> > >
> > > > I don't see where USAC has a role if the cops don't.
> > >
> >
> > What role did the police play when Mercer hit Myerson and broke his
skull?
>
> I do not know what role they played. If you do, maybe you can finish
making
> your point.



Until Adam posted, I did not know or recall what role the police played.
However, I was considering that USAC suspended Mercer for a year, so I
didn't know whether USAC factored in legal charges/findings or suspended
Mercer on their own accord. I still don't know whether legal charges
factored in USAC's decision, but very seldom in major sports are legal
charges filed when a player is fined/suspended. Did Bill Romanowski have
charges filed against him when he beat up his teammate in the locker room
last year?

BJC

Carl Sundquist wrote:
> "Chris" <chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in message news:1-
> > 09dkv4fcl9ceb8@corp.supernews.comne...9ceb8@corp.supernew-
> > s.com...
> > >
> > > >
> > > > "Bob Schwartz" <cvcc@shell.core.com> wrote in message
> > > >
> > > > > I don't see where USAC has a role if the cops don't.
> > > >
> > >
> > > What role did the police play when Mercer hit Myerson and broke his
> skull?
> >
> > I do not know what role they played. If you do, maybe you can finish
> making
> > your point.
> Until Adam posted, I did not know or recall what role the police played.
> However, I was considering that USAC suspended Mercer for a year, so I
> didn't know whether USAC factored in legal charges/findings or suspended
> Mercer on their own accord. I still don't know whether legal charges
> factored in USAC's decision, but very seldom in major sports are legal
> charges filed when a player is fined/suspended. Did Bill Romanowski have
> charges filed against him when he beat up his teammate in the locker
> room last year?





if only the fed could test him for testosterone and HGH...



--

Steve Wingate

> Until Adam posted, I did not know or recall what role the police played.
> However, I was considering that USAC suspended Mercer for a year, so I
> didn't know whether USAC factored in legal charges/findings or suspended
> Mercer on their own accord. I still don't know whether legal charges
> factored in USAC's decision, but very seldom in major sports are legal
> charges filed when a player is fined/suspended. Did Bill Romanowski have
> charges filed against him when he beat up his teammate in the locker room
> last year?


No criminal charges were filed against Romo, although the guy did sue him.

chris

One big question is why are we only hearing about this here? I heard
absolutely nothing elsewhere. Why did no one send this out to
Cyclingnews and Velonews? If you want suspensions, get the media
involved so more people know about it.

Chris

"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
news:109j66a3r1fc3a8@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Chris" <chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
> > news:109dkv4fcl9ceb8@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > >
> > > > "Bob Schwartz" <cvcc@shell.core.com> wrote in message
> > > >
> > > > > I don't see where USAC has a role if the cops don't.
> > > >
> > >
> > > What role did the police play when Mercer hit Myerson and broke his
> skull?
> >
> > I do not know what role they played. If you do, maybe you can finish
> making
> > your point.
>
>
>
> Until Adam posted, I did not know or recall what role the police played.
> However, I was considering that USAC suspended Mercer for a year, so I
> didn't know whether USAC factored in legal charges/findings or suspended
> Mercer on their own accord. I still don't know whether legal charges
> factored in USAC's decision, but very seldom in major sports are legal
> charges filed when a player is fined/suspended. Did Bill Romanowski have
> charges filed against him when he beat up his teammate in the locker room
> last year?

I dunno, but in hockey the police have been getting involved in some of the
really outrageous attacks. Considering that assault and battery is within
the rules (ok, you go to the penalty box) I would say that counts for
something. It seems to me that in most cases where I thought the local
prosecution should get involved, they have. IOW I do not see any scary
trends where athletes are not able to get justice.

Chris

"BJC" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message >
>
>
> if only the fed could test him for testosterone and HGH...


I am sure he has some of both, don't you?