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07-05.-2004, 06:47 AM
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Re: Roberto Gaggioli is a piece of crap
"Rik Van Diesel" <metalkprettyoneday@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:83021f87.0405061232.37927ded@posting.google.com... > Just cause you can't google me up doesn't make my opinion less correct. On the contrary, you apparently don't think twice about lying in writing. You seem to have good reasons to hide your identification. |
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07-05.-2004, 09:15 AM
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Re: Roberto Gaggioli is a piece of crap
In article <409a95bf$0$35074$812600b3@news.nntpaccess.com>,
"Chris" <chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com> wrote: > "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in message > news:109j66a3r1fc3a8@corp.supernews.com... > > Until Adam posted, I did not know or recall what role the police played. > > However, I was considering that USAC suspended Mercer for a year, so I > > didn't know whether USAC factored in legal charges/findings or suspended > > Mercer on their own accord. I still don't know whether legal charges > > factored in USAC's decision, but very seldom in major sports are legal > > charges filed when a player is fined/suspended. Did Bill Romanowski have > > charges filed against him when he beat up his teammate in the locker room > > last year? > > I dunno, but in hockey the police have been getting involved in some of the > really outrageous attacks. Considering that assault and battery is within > the rules (ok, you go to the penalty box) I would say that counts for > something. It seems to me that in most cases where I thought the local > prosecution should get involved, they have. IOW I do not see any scary > trends where athletes are not able to get justice. The essential difference is that of consent. The general theory is that when you participate in a sporting activity, you consent to the norms of that sport. So if you race a bike, you implicitly consent to incidental contact in the pack, and if you play hockey, you consent to normal levels of bodychecking and fisticuffs. -- Ryan Cousineau, rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine/wiredcola/ President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club |
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07-05.-2004, 10:31 AM
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Re: Roberto Gaggioli is a piece of crap
"Ryan Cousineau" <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote in message news:rcousine-0C0ADC.17154606052004@morgoth.sfu.ca... > In article <409a95bf$0$35074$812600b3@news.nntpaccess.com>, > "Chris" <chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in message > > news:109j66a3r1fc3a8@corp.supernews.com... > > > > Until Adam posted, I did not know or recall what role the police played. > > > However, I was considering that USAC suspended Mercer for a year, so I > > > didn't know whether USAC factored in legal charges/findings or suspended > > > Mercer on their own accord. I still don't know whether legal charges > > > factored in USAC's decision, but very seldom in major sports are legal > > > charges filed when a player is fined/suspended. Did Bill Romanowski have > > > charges filed against him when he beat up his teammate in the locker room > > > last year? > > > > I dunno, but in hockey the police have been getting involved in some of the > > really outrageous attacks. Considering that assault and battery is within > > the rules (ok, you go to the penalty box) I would say that counts for > > something. It seems to me that in most cases where I thought the local > > prosecution should get involved, they have. IOW I do not see any scary > > trends where athletes are not able to get justice. > > The essential difference is that of consent. The general theory is that > when you participate in a sporting activity, you consent to the norms of > that sport. So if you race a bike, you implicitly consent to incidental > contact in the pack, and if you play hockey, you consent to normal > levels of bodychecking and fisticuffs. > But that is in the midst of the competitive event. However, AFAIK, even for the most egregious attack in recent history in the NHL, Todd Bertuzzi was not charged with violating any laws when he punched Steve Moore in the back of the head, drove him face first into the ice, and broke his neck. I cited Romanowski's actions specifically because they were in a non competition situation, like Myerson/Mercer and Sundt/Gaggioli. |
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07-05.-2004, 11:23 AM
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Re: Roberto Gaggioli is a piece of crap
Chris wrote:
> "BJC" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > if only the fed could test him for testosterone and HGH... > I am sure he has some of both, don't you? Definitely. Chemicals and serious anti-social tendencies is to blame. Who was it....Konychev that was arrested for beating a prositute up? What do both of these cyclists have in common? Many of these riders who have been doing it for years and years have absolutely no clue about simple social skills. -- |
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07-05.-2004, 02:22 PM
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Re: Roberto Gaggioli is a piece of crap
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<6oymc.10120$V97.2529@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> "Rik Van Diesel" <metalkprettyoneday@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:83021f87.0405061232.37927ded@posting.google.com... > > Just cause you can't google me up doesn't make my opinion less correct. > > On the contrary, you apparently don't think twice about lying in writing. > You seem to have good reasons to hide your identification. Liar Liar pants on fire. What are you in the third grade? What have I lied about? Certainly not this thread on Roberto, and yes I have said the same shit to his face. The funny part I had to see him last year in a non-cycling social function to which we were both invited, he was wearing his funny clown boots and me looking super star. Off the bike it was hard to believe I could have ever felt anything but pity for him. Much like I do for you. RVD |
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07-05.-2004, 03:21 PM
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Re: Roberto Gaggioli is a piece of crap
In article <109lpnve0562h19@corp.supernews.com>,
"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote: > "Ryan Cousineau" <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote in message > news:rcousine-0C0ADC.17154606052004@morgoth.sfu.ca... > > In article <409a95bf$0$35074$812600b3@news.nntpaccess.com>, > > "Chris" <chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in message > > > news:109j66a3r1fc3a8@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > Until Adam posted, I did not know or recall what role the police > played. > > > > However, I was considering that USAC suspended Mercer for a year, so I > > > > didn't know whether USAC factored in legal charges/findings or > suspended > > > > Mercer on their own accord. I still don't know whether legal charges > > > > factored in USAC's decision, but very seldom in major sports are legal > > > > charges filed when a player is fined/suspended. Did Bill Romanowski > have > > > > charges filed against him when he beat up his teammate in the locker > room > > > > last year? > > > > > > I dunno, but in hockey the police have been getting involved in some of > the > > > really outrageous attacks. Considering that assault and battery is > within > > > the rules > > The essential difference is that of consent. The general theory is that > > when you participate in a sporting activity, you consent to the norms of > > that sport. So if you race a bike, you implicitly consent to incidental > > contact in the pack, and if you play hockey, you consent to normal > > levels of bodychecking and fisticuffs. > > > > But that is in the midst of the competitive event. However, AFAIK, even for > the most egregious attack in recent history in the NHL, Todd Bertuzzi was > not charged with violating any laws when he punched Steve Moore in the back > of the head, drove him face first into the ice, and broke his neck. I'm a Canuck fan, so I have some pretty particular feelings about The Incident, but last I heard police were still investigating. As for the details...that's for another newsgroup. > I cited Romanowski's actions specifically because they were in a non > competition situation, like Myerson/Mercer and Sundt/Gaggioli. Good point. And clearly, there's never a call for disputes to be settled after an event with violence, and doubly not with lumber. Cycling depends on a certain gentlemanliness in the attitude of competitors. It's so easy to harm other riders quite badly (not for nothing does the cycling verb "to flick" exist) that everyone must have a basic commitment to decorum. It doesn't take too many idiots to completely destroy a racing scene. -- Ryan Cousineau, rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine/wiredcola/ President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club |
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07-05.-2004, 11:40 PM
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Re: Roberto Gaggioli is a piece of crap
i will tell ya one thing, if gagg keeps this shit up he wont be selling
oakleys when he retires at age 50. |
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08-05.-2004, 03:57 AM
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Re: Roberto Gaggioli is a piece of crap
rondechampion@aol.com (Rondechampion) wrote in message news:<20040502125419.15149.00000592@mb-m17.aol.com>...
> Last night at the crit in Anniston, Al he attacked Johnny Sundt with a 2x4. He > was upset about some of the meaningless crap that happens during bike races and > he tried to assult Johnny. > > He caved in the down tube on Johnny's bike when Johnny used to bike to protect > himself. > > This guy is a piece of crap and deserves to be suspended for a long time. > > He pulled a similar stunt a few years when he threw his bike at another riders > head and cut his head with the chainring. > > I wish this guy would just go away. > > USAC----please don't puss out and not suspend this a-hole. > > the real rondechampion Gagg has been doing this type of shit since they let his sorry ass in this country. 1998 Tour of Ohio, GoMart is controlling every stage for John Lieswyn who is in the leader's jersey. On one of the road race stages its GoMart rider Ashley Powell's job to mark the other favorites including Roberto. Lieswyn gets away with one other rider and takes the stage win. Ashley and Roberto come up to the finish together after Ashley has been marking him all race. Bobby is so pissed that GoMart and Lieswyn are winning the big money and Ashley has been sitting on his wheel all race he tries to ride Powell hard into the ditch knowing that Ashley will beat him in the sprint for something like sixth place. Due to great bike handling skills Ashley stays upright and Gagg gets sixth place. Its sad that he has resorted to attacking another rider with a 2X4. Its time for USAC to put an end to Roberto's crap. Thanks, Buzz |
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