Brad McGhee on drugs...

Tom Kunich

"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
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>
> "chris" <excel_sports@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > How anyone could screw that up with the Scandanvian (don't recall his
> > name, so I guess VO2 max isn't everything) is beyond me but I have to
> > wonder how well researched the article was now.
>
> Lasse Viren

Lasse and his family were missing a gene that caused the natural EPO to be
regulated. The whole family had dangerously high hematocrit and many died
young from heart attacks when their hearts could no longer pump surup.

Consequently it was this discovery that led to the discovery of the actions
of EPO and later the boitech development that haunts us now.

Davide Tosi

warren <warren@usvhremove.com> wrote:

>In article <109lpt8kul43bf3@corp.supernews.com>, Carl Sundquist
><carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote:


>> > Lasse Viren
>
>...Was a 5000m runner.

5000 and 10000m olympic champions twice, in both '72 and '76 olympics
probably the best middle distance runner ever


>> The skier was probably Bjorn Dahle.
>
>It may have been Gunde Svan of Sweden. He may have been even better
>than Dahle.

??????
number of victories and gaps on runner-ups speak otherwise
it's like you are saying that Anquetil may have been even better than
Merckx: no way

Davide Tosi

"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
>news:109lo0h3cejpc16@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "chris" <excel_sports@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> > How anyone could screw that up with the Scandanvian (don't recall his
>> > name, so I guess VO2 max isn't everything) is beyond me but I have to
>> > wonder how well researched the article was now.
>>
>> Lasse Viren
>
>Lasse and his family were missing a gene that caused the natural EPO to be
>regulated. The whole family had dangerously high hematocrit and many died
>young from heart attacks when their hearts could no longer pump surup.

It seems that this is somewhat common among North Finnish population
The family of 1964 x-country skiing olympic gold Eero Mantyranta was
reported to have the same kind of genetic feature.

Tom Kunich

"Davide Tosi" <davide.tosi@comune.re.it> wrote in message
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> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
> >news:109lo0h3cejpc16@corp.supernews.com...
> >>
> >> "chris" <excel_sports@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >> > How anyone could screw that up with the Scandanvian (don't recall his
> >> > name, so I guess VO2 max isn't everything) is beyond me but I have to
> >> > wonder how well researched the article was now.
> >>
> >> Lasse Viren
> >
> >Lasse and his family were missing a gene that caused the natural EPO to
be
> >regulated. The whole family had dangerously high hematocrit and many died
> >young from heart attacks when their hearts could no longer pump surup.
>
> It seems that this is somewhat common among North Finnish population
> The family of 1964 x-country skiing olympic gold Eero Mantyranta was
> reported to have the same kind of genetic feature.

I think that I'm in error and that I really meant Eero Mantyranta and not
Lasse Viren but now it's all getting fuzzy. I need a beer.....

Phil Holman

"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Davide Tosi" <davide.tosi@comune.re.it> wrote in message
> news:40a5b999.341253195@news.individual.de...
> > "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
> > >news:109lo0h3cejpc16@corp.supernews.com...
> > >>
> > >> "chris" <excel_sports@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >>
> > >> > How anyone could screw that up with the Scandanvian (don't
recall his
> > >> > name, so I guess VO2 max isn't everything) is beyond me but I
have to
> > >> > wonder how well researched the article was now.
> > >>
> > >> Lasse Viren
> > >
> > >Lasse and his family were missing a gene that caused the natural
EPO to
> be
> > >regulated. The whole family had dangerously high hematocrit and
many died
> > >young from heart attacks when their hearts could no longer pump
surup.
> >
> > It seems that this is somewhat common among North Finnish population
> > The family of 1964 x-country skiing olympic gold Eero Mantyranta was
> > reported to have the same kind of genetic feature.
>
> I think that I'm in error and that I really meant Eero Mantyranta and
not
> Lasse Viren but now it's all getting fuzzy. I need a beer.....
>

Less beer might be a better solution. There was a lot of controversy
about Lasse and blood doping at the time he won his Olympic medals.

Phil Holman